Interesting reintroduction planned for specific areas, it's worked in some
other areas of Europe and we certainly need something to control the Deer.

http://www.lynxuk.org/

-- Regards
Bob Hobden
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from the W.of London. UK

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
Interesting reintroduction planned for specific areas, it's worked in some
other areas of Europe and we certainly need something to control the Deer.

http://www.lynxuk.org/

Absolutely NOT.

Christina Websell wrote:

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
Interesting reintroduction planned for specific areas, it's worked in some
other areas of Europe and we certainly need something to control the Deer.

http://www.lynxuk.org/

Absolutely NOT.

Oh, definitely yes.

Prefered prey is deer of which there are far to many in the UK - because
there are no natural predators - causing all sorts of habitat
destruction.

Reintroduction of Lynx is already happening in large parts of Western
Europe and seems to be going fairly well.

Lynx would be a marvellous addition to many ecosystems.

Larry Stoter

On Sun, 3 May 2015 08:30:52 +0100, (Larry Stoter) wrote:

Christina Websell wrote:

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
Interesting reintroduction planned for specific areas, it's worked in some
other areas of Europe and we certainly need something to control the Deer.

http://www.lynxuk.org/

Absolutely NOT.

Oh, definitely yes.

Prefered prey is deer of which there are far to many in the UK - because
there are no natural predators - causing all sorts of habitat
destruction.

Reintroduction of Lynx is already happening in large parts of Western
Europe and seems to be going fairly well.

Lynx would be a marvellous addition to many ecosystems.

Lynx are without doubt lovely creatures.
But if there is an excessive deer population, wouldn't it be better
for humans to eat them rather than import wild animals to do the job?

Venison is delicious and much more healthy than most farm animals.

On 03/05/15 08:30, Larry Stoter wrote:
Christina Websell wrote:

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
Interesting reintroduction planned for specific areas, it's worked in some
other areas of Europe and we certainly need something to control the Deer.

http://www.lynxuk.org/

Absolutely NOT.

Oh, definitely yes.

Prefered prey is deer of which there are far to many in the UK - because
there are no natural predators - causing all sorts of habitat
destruction.

Reintroduction of Lynx is already happening in large parts of Western
Europe and seems to be going fairly well.

Lynx would be a marvellous addition to many ecosystems.

Larry Stoter


What happens when they start eating people's small dogs and other pets?

Does not seem like a great idea to me. The accidental reintroduction of
boar in the Forest of Dean has not gone too well either.

On 03/05/15 10:35, Martin wrote:

There are plans to release bears and wolves too.


I take it you jest?

Because if not, I'm getting a shotgun license.

In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 03/05/15 10:35, Martin wrote:

There are plans to release bears and wolves too.

I take it you jest?

Because if not, I'm getting a shotgun license.

As someone who has lived in environments with dangerous predators,
and who has experience with shotguns, that is, at best, clueless.
If you really want to **** off a large animal, pepper it with shot.

There is a simple solution to protecting yourself: don't be an
arsehole. We didn't carry guns for protection against animals
even in the less developed parts of Africa in the 1950s, or even
the 1900s. It was unnecessary. And the animals there were MUCH
more dangerous.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 03/05/15 11:36, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 03/05/15 10:35, Martin wrote:

There are plans to release bears and wolves too.

I take it you jest?

Because if not, I'm getting a shotgun license.

As someone who has lived in environments with dangerous predators,
and who has experience with shotguns, that is, at best, clueless.
If you really want to **** off a large animal, pepper it with shot.

Yebbut the law prevents me from carrying anything much more substantial.

That'll be why in parts of Canada my relatives will take a gun on a walk
into the woods.


There is a simple solution to protecting yourself: don't be an
arsehole.

And if you get unlucky - let it attack you? No thanks.

We didn't carry guns for protection against animals
even in the less developed parts of Africa in the 1950s, or even
the 1900s. It was unnecessary. And the animals there were MUCH
more dangerous.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 03/05/15 11:39, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 03 May 2015 10:52:52 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

On 03/05/15 10:35, Martin wrote:

There are plans to release bears and wolves too.


I take it you jest?

http://tinyurl.com/p5gaten and http://tinyurl.com/o6mqpsy

Give me strength.

Because if not, I'm getting a shotgun license.

http://tinyurl.com/lsljwlw

In article ,
Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 03 May 2015 09:59:59 +0100, Fuschia
wrote:
On Sun, 3 May 2015 08:30:52 +0100, (Larry Stoter) wrote:
Christina Websell wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
Interesting reintroduction planned for specific areas, it's worked in some
other areas of Europe and we certainly need something to control the Deer.

http://www.lynxuk.org/

Absolutely NOT.

Oh, definitely yes.

Prefered prey is deer of which there are far to many in the UK - because
there are no natural predators - causing all sorts of habitat
destruction.

Reintroduction of Lynx is already happening in large parts of Western
Europe and seems to be going fairly well.

Lynx would be a marvellous addition to many ecosystems.

Lynx are without doubt lovely creatures.
But if there is an excessive deer population, wouldn't it be better
for humans to eat them rather than import wild animals to do the job?

Venison is delicious and much more healthy than most farm animals.

and culling by a trained marksman is surely more humane that being
chased, brought down and gored to death by a lynx.

Ye gods and little fishes - just HOW many errors can you introduce into
a simple sentence? The most problematic deer are muntjac and roe,
which are woodland animals - dense cover in the first case - and both
live in densely populated areas, including suburbia (especially the
former). There are also damn-few people in the UK who know how to
shoot safely under such conditions - and a much larger pool of
'trained marksmen' who are little better than official and trigger
happy gunsels (e.g. police firearms officers). We SO want such
people firing high-velocity 0.24"+ rounds in such places!

Also, lynx do not have horns, are not cursory predators, and kill
(like most cats) by biting the throat, leading to a quick death or
escape. They also kill the old, ill and weak animals, reducing the
number that die a lingering death, unlike hunters who prefer healthy
animals.

And, on another topic, lynx are very shy and almost never eat pets
in the areas where they coexist. I agree that the hysteria of the
seriously ignorant British public would be a major problem, as would
the objections of those who breed peasants, sorry, pheasants for
slaughter. And, no, I am not one of the "Don't shoot the little
birdies" brigade - I have done it myself, but not like that.

Our woodlands are facing a catastrophe, and so are many of the
woodland birds and animals, because of the uncontrolled deer
population. In the 1950s, it was kept down by farm dogs roaming
free at night (and shooting them with shotguns), but they have
got out of control since that stopped. We desperately need lynx
back, and we need them back NOW.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 03/05/15 11:36, Nick Maclaren wrote:

There are plans to release bears and wolves too.

I take it you jest?

Because if not, I'm getting a shotgun license.

As someone who has lived in environments with dangerous predators,
and who has experience with shotguns, that is, at best, clueless.
If you really want to **** off a large animal, pepper it with shot.

Yebbut the law prevents me from carrying anything much more substantial.

That'll be why in parts of Canada my relatives will take a gun on a walk
into the woods.

There are only two dangerous wild animals the bears and moose.
If they are such wimps as to be afraid of the infinitesimal risk,
and such idiots as to believe a gun is useful protection, then
they should be carrying at least a 0.3" calibre high-velocity
rifle. Anything less will simply enrage those animals and, even
with that, all of the evidence is that carrying a gun INCREASES
your chances of being killed by one of them!

However, most Merkins and many Canucks ARE idiots, and Brits
are deliberately kept pig-ignorant about guns :-(


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On Sun, 03 May 2015 11:47:00 +0100,
Tim Watts wrote:

There is a simple solution to protecting yourself: don't be an
arsehole.

And if you get unlucky - let it attack you? No thanks.

There is a simple European truth to learn: You wern't and we aren't.
This „if the wolves attack your cows� thing and the „thanks to guns
there is less trouble“ thing isn't applicable in a hypothetic
environment.

The problem with lynx and other wild animals can only exist, where there
*are currently any such animals*. But we talk about them only in the
context of regions were they are *not*. This is a little useles, I
would guess. I do.

Michael

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On 03/05/2015 12:43, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 3 May 2015 13:28:16 +0200, Michael Uplawski
wrote:

On Sun, 03 May 2015 11:47:00 +0100,
Tim Watts wrote:

There is a simple solution to protecting yourself: don't be an
arsehole.

And if you get unlucky - let it attack you? No thanks.

There is a simple European truth to learn: You wern't and we aren't.
This „if the wolves attack your cows” thing and the „thanks to guns
there is less trouble“ thing isn't applicable in a hypothetic
environment.

Wild boar definitely attack people without provocation. I've seen it happen
quite close to Toulouse.

I rather think they don't. Where boar are hunted they are likely to
associate the bipedal animal in its territory as a threat based on
past experience. It is probably that the people unthinkingly provoke
the animal by cornering it or getting between it and its young.
--
Phil Cook

On Sun, 03 May 2015 13:43:16 +0200,
Martin wrote:

Wild boar definitely attack people without provocation. I've seen it happen
quite close to Toulouse.

boar, people, it.

I still think that a real singular in any of the three positions would be
more appropriate ;-)

And still, neither wild boar near Toulouse, nor lynx in England or at my
neigbours, create problems. Not today, not tomorrow.

I've seen hunters aim across the road with their carabiners and nobody
was around to shoot them... THAT is a problem.

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On 03/05/2015 11:48, Tim Watts wrote:
On 03/05/15 11:39, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 03 May 2015 10:52:52 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

On 03/05/15 10:35, Martin wrote:

There are plans to release bears and wolves too.


I take it you jest?

http://tinyurl.com/p5gaten and http://tinyurl.com/o6mqpsy

Give me strength.

Because if not, I'm getting a shotgun license.

http://tinyurl.com/lsljwlw



Anyone who thinks they can just go out and get a shotgun licence is
living in another world.
It not like it was in the 50's when you could go into the Post office
and but a shot gun licence for around 7/6d.
Now you have to apply to the police, saying why you want it, where you
will use the gun, where it will be kept, then you have an interview and
have to show your Gun cabinet.
You might like to read the following........
http://content.met.police.uk/Site/fi...msapplications