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Mineraly enriched soil?
In Tesco yesterday I noticed that their premium parsnips claimed to be
grown in Mineraly enriched soil. Any ideas whay this could be other than soil with fretilizer in it? David @ a very soggy side of Swansea Bay |
Mineraly enriched soil?
On 13/01/2016 12:39, David Hill wrote:
In Tesco yesterday I noticed that their premium parsnips claimed to be grown in Mineraly enriched soil. Any ideas whay this could be other than soil with fretilizer in it? David @ a very soggy side of Swansea Bay In this case I'm guessing that it's referring to trace elements rather than the usual NPK(+Ca+S). It could be referring to soil in which a mineral supplement (e.g. rock dust) has been added, or it could be referring to a soil which naturally has higher levels of minerals. One does hear about pastures being dressed with various elements to address trace element deficiencies in cattle and sheeped. -- SRH |
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David Hill wrote: In Tesco yesterday I noticed that their premium parsnips claimed to be grown in Mineraly enriched soil. Any ideas whay this could be other than soil with fretilizer in it? Soil contaminated by heavy metals? Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Chris Hogg wrote: But I suspect in reality your mineraly enriched soil is just marketing bullshit, designed to impress the ignorant. Unfortunately, short of domestic violence, I can't stop my wife shopping at Tescos. I have seen several such bullshitting claims, but I now forget the details of the others. The most common 'mineral' added to soil is lime, of course. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Martin wrote: But I suspect in reality your mineraly enriched soil is just marketing bullshit, designed to impress the ignorant. Unfortunately, short of domestic violence, I can't stop my wife shopping at Tescos. I have seen several such bullshitting claims, but I now forget the details of the others. Healthy high sugar content food? Oh, no! That's almost justifiable. The claims were far more purely marketing spiel. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Stephen Wolstenholme wrote: But I suspect in reality your mineraly enriched soil is just marketing bullshit, designed to impress the ignorant. Unfortunately, short of domestic violence, I can't stop my wife shopping at Tescos. I have seen several such bullshitting claims, but I now forget the details of the others. The most common 'mineral' added to soil is lime, of course. It could be worse. She could shop at Morrisons or Waitrose. My objections to Tescos are ethical. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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In article , David Hill wrote: In Tesco yesterday I noticed that their premium parsnips claimed to be grown in Mineraly enriched soil. Any ideas whay this could be other than soil with fretilizer in it? Soil contaminated by heavy metals? You cynic! :-) -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
Mineraly enriched soil?
On 13/01/2016 13:02, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , David Hill wrote: In Tesco yesterday I noticed that their premium parsnips claimed to be grown in Mineraly enriched soil. Any ideas whay this could be other than soil with fretilizer in it? Soil contaminated by heavy metals? I suspect it may mean grown in China where they have a habit of using cheap Rare Earth minerals as fertiliser with allegedly good results. Been going on for a couple of decades now (eg): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12008295 I'd be wary of the thorium content of such minerals YMMV. I can't find anything much that isn't behind a paywall but if you have academic access then a search on REE fertiliser China ought to get it. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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Martin Brown wrote: In Tesco yesterday I noticed that their premium parsnips claimed to be grown in Mineraly enriched soil. Any ideas whay this could be other than soil with fretilizer in it? Soil contaminated by heavy metals? I suspect it may mean grown in China where they have a habit of using cheap Rare Earth minerals as fertiliser with allegedly good results. Been going on for a couple of decades now (eg): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12008295 I'd be wary of the thorium content of such minerals YMMV. I can't find anything much that isn't behind a paywall but if you have academic access then a search on REE fertiliser China ought to get it. Then try 'rare earth toxic'. We do so need to get rid of the EU nanny state and back to the glorious days of yore, when merchants were allowed to sell freely without having to obey ridiculous restrictions. What's wrong with sugar of lead in wine, or copper in pickles? And why should manufacturerss have to forced to disclose their secrets, like the ingredients? Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Mineraly enriched soil?
On 13/01/2016 13:02, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , David Hill wrote: In Tesco yesterday I noticed that their premium parsnips claimed to be grown in Mineraly enriched soil. Any ideas whay this could be other than soil with fretilizer in it? Soil contaminated by heavy metals? Regards, Nick Maclaren. That was my thought! we are not supposed to eat any root veg from our garden due to heavy metal and arsenic in the sub soil so not perhaps the best way to advertise veg!! -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk National collections of Clematis viticella & Lapageria rosea |
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Charlie Pridham wrote: In Tesco yesterday I noticed that their premium parsnips claimed to be grown in Mineraly enriched soil. Any ideas whay this could be other than soil with fretilizer in it? Soil contaminated by heavy metals? That was my thought! we are not supposed to eat any root veg from our garden due to heavy metal and arsenic in the sub soil so not perhaps the best way to advertise veg!! Interesting. You are lucky that you are in the wet West, then, because breathing soil dust can't be good, either. Incidentally, I did a recent look to see if anyone had found out how arsenic is essential to animal metabolism and it seems to be still a mystery; it is also quite possible that arsenic deficiency may be an undiagnosed problem in some cases. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 13/01/16 22:55, Charlie Pridham wrote:
On 13/01/2016 13:02, Nick Maclaren wrote: In article , David Hill wrote: In Tesco yesterday I noticed that their premium parsnips claimed to be grown in Mineraly enriched soil. Any ideas whay this could be other than soil with fretilizer in it? Soil contaminated by heavy metals? Regards, Nick Maclaren. That was my thought! we are not supposed to eat any root veg from our garden due to heavy metal and arsenic in the sub soil so not perhaps the best way to advertise veg!! I was surprised to find: The legacy of mining also remains in the form of heavy metal contamination of the soil. Shipham has the highest levels of cadmium in the soil anywhere in the UK. Cadmium is a toxic metal associated with old zinc mine workings. However, a study found that the cadmium in the soil is tightly bound up in minerals, and is not readily available for uptake by plants. It therefore does not enter the food chain and has no measurable effect on health. https://www.bgs.ac.uk/mendips/localities/shipham.html Also http://randd.defra.gov.uk/Document.a...xF-Cadmium.pdf |
Mineraly enriched soil?
On 13/01/16 22:55, Charlie Pridham wrote:
On 13/01/2016 13:02, Nick Maclaren wrote: In article , David Hill wrote: In Tesco yesterday I noticed that their premium parsnips claimed to be grown in Mineraly enriched soil. Any ideas whay this could be other than soil with fretilizer in it? Soil contaminated by heavy metals? Regards, Nick Maclaren. That was my thought! we are not supposed to eat any root veg from our garden due to heavy metal and arsenic in the sub soil so not perhaps the best way to advertise veg!! I wonder if there is any evidence that all the Cornish wildlife eating wild fruit, leaves, stems, etc is being poisoned, and is suffering as a result. -- Jeff |
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nurseries.co.uk says... In Tesco yesterday I noticed that their premium parsnips claimed to be grown in Mineraly enriched soil. Any ideas whay this could be other than soil with fretilizer in it? David @ a very soggy side of Swansea Bay Rockdust. Take a look here http://www.seercentre.org.uk/ I visited this place years ago and although it was using rockdust as a dressing, the main growing medium was truckloads of composted waste supplied by the local council. So I took all claims for the rockdust effect, with a sack of mineral. :-) The advertising standards association took the same view https://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjud...e-SEER-Centre- Trust/SHP_ADJ_220444.aspx#.VpfBnFKXOJc "Therefore, because we did not consider that we had seen sufficient substantiation to support the claims that the use of the SEER Rockdust in soil would boost soil fertility and produce stronger and healthier crops, we concluded that the claims were likely to mislead. The claims breached CAP Code (Edition 12) rules 3.1 (Misleading advertising), 3.7 (Substantiation) and 3.11 (Exaggeration). Janet. |
Mineraly enriched soil?
On 14/01/16 15:30, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:33:57 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 13/01/16 22:55, Charlie Pridham wrote: That was my thought! we are not supposed to eat any root veg from our garden due to heavy metal and arsenic in the sub soil so not perhaps the best way to advertise veg!! Charlie's property is in a village that was down-wind of a local arsenic works, active before WW1 I had wondered why all those plants I bought from Charlie last June smelt of garlic! ;-) -- Jeff |
Mineraly enriched soil?
On 14/01/2016 13:33, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 13/01/16 22:55, Charlie Pridham wrote: On 13/01/2016 13:02, Nick Maclaren wrote: In article , David Hill wrote: In Tesco yesterday I noticed that their premium parsnips claimed to be grown in Mineraly enriched soil. Any ideas whay this could be other than soil with fretilizer in it? Soil contaminated by heavy metals? Regards, Nick Maclaren. That was my thought! we are not supposed to eat any root veg from our garden due to heavy metal and arsenic in the sub soil so not perhaps the best way to advertise veg!! I wonder if there is any evidence that all the Cornish wildlife eating wild fruit, leaves, stems, etc is being poisoned, and is suffering as a result. Its not a problem if you leave well alone, its only when you start digging or disturbing the natural layers you bring stuff to the surface. and its only found in some parts of Cornwall not all over. we have found not digging and mulching plus the leaching downwards due to rain fall have made the soil here a lot better. I didn't believe the don't grow veg thing and had the soil and some veg tested. soil was indeed sky high in all sorts, but the veg once washed were well within acceptable limits! The truth is we don't grow veg as I am rubbish at doing it! -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk National collections of Clematis viticella & Lapageria rosea |
Mineraly enriched soil?
On 14/01/2016 15:30, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:33:57 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: On 13/01/16 22:55, Charlie Pridham wrote: On 13/01/2016 13:02, Nick Maclaren wrote: In article , David Hill wrote: In Tesco yesterday I noticed that their premium parsnips claimed to be grown in Mineraly enriched soil. Any ideas whay this could be other than soil with fretilizer in it? Soil contaminated by heavy metals? Regards, Nick Maclaren. That was my thought! we are not supposed to eat any root veg from our garden due to heavy metal and arsenic in the sub soil so not perhaps the best way to advertise veg!! I wonder if there is any evidence that all the Cornish wildlife eating wild fruit, leaves, stems, etc is being poisoned, and is suffering as a result. While old mine workings and waste tips abound in Cornwall, as a percentage of total land area they're probably pretty small. Charlie's property is in a village that was down-wind of a local arsenic works, active before WW1. Arsenic was produced by heating the ore over a furnace to distil off the arsenic oxide and then recondensing it in a series of interconnected brick chambers, known as a labyrinth (or in local dialect, a lambreth), before venting the flue gas to the atmosphere via a chimney. Unfortunately the condensing process was not very efficient and a lot of arsenic smoke escaped through the chimney, to contaminate land for many hundreds of yards down-wind. The white refined arsenic oxide powder was shovelled out of the chambers in the labyrinth by hand, the workers wearing the minimum of protection, little more that a piece of cloth wrapped around their faces, or cotton wool stuffed up their noses and in their ears! http://tinyurl.com/gpwkn4d and http://tinyurl.com/hjqzg8t AIUI resistance to arsenic can be built up by repeated low dose exposure. I imagine these guys must have been pretty resistant! One or two derelict labyrinths still exist, complete with a residue of arsenic on their walls and floors. Interesting Chris, I had not heard the term lambreth, I thought they were called Calciners? (I may have miss spelled that) But you are right I walk the dog past two nearly every day -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk National collections of Clematis viticella & Lapageria rosea |
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