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If I bury them in the garden mixed in with the usual kitchen waste, will
they be a problem after, say, a year?
I would not bury masses (about one per week).
I do not want to put them in the town recycling bin as they might reduce the
value of the batch (or cause processors to reject the whole batch) because
it contains "films".
And please, no guesses, I have lots of my own, and they are free.
Rgds,
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Chris Hogg wrote:

What are they made of? Does it say on them? Some bags
these days are being made from potato starch


Some of the degradeable bags (tesco? maybe they've changed again since
the charges?) degrade in oxygen, so burying might not be the best idea ...
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message ...
Chris Hogg wrote:
What are they made of? Does it say on them? Some bags
these days are being made from potato starch

Some of the degradeable bags (tesco? maybe they've changed again since
the charges?) degrade in oxygen, so burying might not be the best idea ...



The bag says:

"The wrapper containing your magazines is 100%
recyclable - please treat this as you would a supermarket
carrier bag or similar plastic and recycle it.

If your recycling collection service does not accept these
plastics you can drop them off in the recycling bins at most
large supermarkets, along with plastic shopping bags."

In addition to which text there is the three twisted arrow symbol, in
outline, sitting on its base, with no number inside or other marking.

As the bag is to wrap paper (part of the Guardian), I do not think it would
need to cope well with water. It feels/sounds very smooth and slippery and
does not feel like the starch based polymer I have felt which tends to be a
bit more papery.

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Bill Davy wrote:

It feels/sounds very smooth and slippery and does not feel like the
starch based polymer I have felt which tends to be a bit more papery.


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On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 16:49:09 -0000, "Bill Davy"
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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Chris Hogg wrote:
What are they made of? Does it say on them? Some bags
these days are being made from potato starch

Some of the degradeable bags (tesco? maybe they've changed again since
the charges?) degrade in oxygen, so burying might not be the best idea
...



The bag says:

"The wrapper containing your magazines is 100%
recyclable - please treat this as you would a supermarket
carrier bag or similar plastic and recycle it.

If your recycling collection service does not accept these
plastics you can drop them off in the recycling bins at most
large supermarkets, along with plastic shopping bags."

In addition to which text there is the three twisted arrow symbol, in
outline, sitting on its base, with no number inside or other marking.

As the bag is to wrap paper (part of the Guardian), I do not think it would
need to cope well with water. It feels/sounds very smooth and slippery and
does not feel like the starch based polymer I have felt which tends to be a
bit more papery.


It sounds just like any other plastic bag. 'Recyclable' sounds as
though it's just that: it can be shredded, washed, heated, extruded
into pellets and made into more plastic bags or whatever. It does not
sound as though 'recyclable' mean 'compostable'. If it had the notice
on it as per Andy's picture, then it should be compostable, but
otherwise not, and if you bury it in the garden, it'll be there for at
least the next sixty years, as I found out when I came to dig over my
late mother's garden, laid out sixty years ago!

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trees to the W and SW

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Looks as if the Guardian is vacillating. Have seen the starch based bags,
so was puzzled by this "reversion".

I thought the recycling bins (as in car parks, supermarkets) did not accept
film of any kind? I also thought they did not accept "black plastic" as in
the cheap flower pots in which plants are sold. Fortunately our local and
wonderful nursery will, if you ask nicely.



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On 02/02/2019 12:43, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 11:19:39 -0000, "Bill Davy"
wrote:

If I bury them in the garden mixed in with the usual kitchen waste, will
they be a problem after, say, a year?
I would not bury masses (about one per week).
I do not want to put them in the town recycling bin as they might reduce the
value of the batch (or cause processors to reject the whole batch) because
it contains "films".
And please, no guesses, I have lots of my own, and they are free.
Rgds,
Bill


A quick google for Guardian recyclable plastic bags doesn't reveal
much about them. What are they made of? Does it say on them? Some bags
these days are being made from potato starch, or possibly corn or
wheat starch, just like the packaging peanuts. The starch bags I've
seen, and only one or two so not a huge number, have a softer feel and
aren't shiny like traditional plastic bags. The packaging peanuts go
mushy in water almost immediately, and I always put them on the
compost heap and they disappear very quickly (but you have to
distinguish them from styrofoam peanuts, which last for ever, maybe
longer). But I can't imagine a carrier bag made of similar starch
would be much use - a shower of rain and your shopping is all over the
car park!

So, what are your bags made of?

I should think that common sence would tell you Recycable is just that
Bio degradeable would mean it could be composted.
I've just come back froma visit to china and several Plastic carrier
bags I had were clearly marked in English "This plastic bag contains
Biodegradable Material"
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Bill Davy wrote:

Looks as if the Guardian is vacillating.* Have seen the starch based
bags, so was puzzled by this "reversion".


Seems the starch bags are just for readers in London, Kent, Essex,
Hertfordshire, Norfolk and Suffolk at the moment.
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On 02/02/2019 16:49, Bill Davy wrote:
** "Andy Burns"* wrote in message
... Chris Hogg wrote:
** What are they made of? Does it say on them? Some bags
** these days are being made from potato starch
** Some of the degradeable bags (tesco? maybe they've changed again
since the charges?) degrade in oxygen, so burying might not be the
best idea ...



The bag says:

"The wrapper containing your magazines is 100%
recyclable - please treat this as you would a supermarket
carrier bag or similar plastic and recycle it.


Recyclable doesn't mean that it will break down into harmless particles
if left in your garden. It just means that it is made of a material
that can be recycled unlike some transparent films of the past which
always had to be sent to landfill.



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On 02/02/2019 18:46, David Hill wrote:

bags I had were clearly marked in English "This plastic bag contains
Biodegradable Material"


But what else?

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