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I have been wondering about using this on my Cornus stump. That would be
to accelerate its decomposition, of course, not to kill it as that would be an unapproved use. But I just had a look at the Westland Garotta pack in my local garden centre, and there is absolutely no mention of what it contains. I thought it might say "Ammonium Sulfamate" somewhere, but there's not mention of it. However, on the information sheet at https://www.gardenhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Garotta.pdf it states that the hazardous ingredients are "Silicone (sic) Dioxide 35 - 40%" and "Limestone 35 - 40%".So it's sand and limestone. No ammonium sulfamate to be seen. -- Jeff |
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On 07/03/19 13:05, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 12:41:26 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote: I have been wondering about using this on my Cornus stump. That would be to accelerate its decomposition, of course, not to kill it as that would be an unapproved use. But I just had a look at the Westland Garotta pack in my local garden centre, and there is absolutely no mention of what it contains. I thought it might say "Ammonium Sulfamate" somewhere, but there's not mention of it. However, on the information sheet at https://www.gardenhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Garotta.pdf it states that the hazardous ingredients are "Silicone (sic) Dioxide 35 - 40%" and "Limestone 35 - 40%".So it's sand and limestone. No ammonium sulfamate to be seen. There's still 20-30% unaccounted for. Perhaps that's the sulphamate, although they surely should say so in the MSD sheet. I wondered about that, but as they consider sand and limestone "hazardous substances" I would be somewhat surprised if ammonium sulfamate wasn't considered hazardous. Why not just buy the sulphamate directly. Plenty on e-bay. I call it 'composting in situ'. It will probably come to that or some other source. It's just that I was surprised to see there was no ammonium sulfamate in the Garotta pack I looked at. I wonder how long it's been like that, as ISTR we've discussed the "non-approved" use of it for ages here, and Garotta compost accelerator often got mentioned... -- Jeff |
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Jeff Layman wrote: I was surprised to see there was no ammonium sulfamate in the Garotta pack I looked at. I wonder how long it's been like that, as ISTR we've discussed the "non-approved" use of it for ages here, and Garotta compost accelerator often got mentioned... Sure it wasn't "Root Out" being discussed? |
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On 07/03/19 13:39, Andy Burns wrote:
Jeff Layman wrote: I was surprised to see there was no ammonium sulfamate in the Garotta pack I looked at. I wonder how long it's been like that, as ISTR we've discussed the "non-approved" use of it for ages here, and Garotta compost accelerator often got mentioned... Sure it wasn't "Root Out" being discussed? I thought it was Garotta, BICBW. Didn't it contain ammonium sulfamate before the EU ruling? See the first few posts in this forum from 2009: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=207&t=773445&i=20 Mind you, I wonder what this is: https://www.johnstowngardencentre.ie/p/garotta-compost-maker-granular-35-kg/garotta_compost_maker_granular "Active ingredients - Nitrogen with ground limestone" I could have been referring to the wrong product earlier - that pdf I linked to is for Garotta "Garden Composting Aid". I'm not sure now if that is their compost accelerator or not. Anyway, as Chris noted, there are other sources of the compound available. -- Jeff |
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On 07/03/2019 12:41, Jeff Layman wrote:
I have been wondering about using this on my Cornus stump. That would be to accelerate its decomposition, of course, not to kill it as that would be an unapproved use. But I just had a look at the Westland Garotta pack in my local garden centre, and there is absolutely no mention of what it contains. I thought it might say "Ammonium Sulfamate" somewhere, but there's not mention of it. However, on the information sheet at https://www.gardenhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Garotta.pdf it states that the hazardous ingredients are "Silicone (sic) Dioxide 35 - 40%"Â* and "Limestone 35 - 40%".So it's sand and limestone. No ammonium sulfamate to be seen. I have found it effective for starting a smaller cold heap. YMMV You can cut it with ammonium *sulphate* to make it go further. It is a mix of inert minerals and freeze dried compost fungi/bacteria. I can't see it doing anything useful to a tree stump. Loading it with potassium (or ammonium) nitrate and a copper nail would be my suggestion. In a dry year you can get it to smoulder away and in a wet one it rots faster with the added nitrogen and a trace of copper. That is how I got my former big apple tree root out. My compost heap is large enough that it runs hot provided that I always add a decent amount of stuff at one time. Last year was so dry during late summer that some layers did not properly rot down though -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 07/03/19 16:15, Martin Brown wrote:
On 07/03/2019 12:41, Jeff Layman wrote: I have been wondering about using this on my Cornus stump. That would be to accelerate its decomposition, of course, not to kill it as that would be an unapproved use. But I just had a look at the Westland Garotta pack in my local garden centre, and there is absolutely no mention of what it contains. I thought it might say "Ammonium Sulfamate" somewhere, but there's not mention of it. However, on the information sheet at https://www.gardenhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Garotta.pdf it states that the hazardous ingredients are "Silicone (sic) Dioxide 35 - 40%"Â* and "Limestone 35 - 40%".So it's sand and limestone. No ammonium sulfamate to be seen. I have found it effective for starting a smaller cold heap. YMMV You can cut it with ammonium *sulphate* to make it go further. It is a mix of inert minerals and freeze dried compost fungi/bacteria. I can't see it doing anything useful to a tree stump. Loading it with potassium (or ammonium) nitrate and a copper nail would be my suggestion. In a dry year you can get it to smoulder away and in a wet one it rots faster with the added nitrogen and a trace of copper. That is how I got my former big apple tree root out. I've had some KNO3 for maybe 30 years as I used to mix my own specialist low-phosphate fertiliser for proteaceous plants. Although I haven't got any copper nails, I've got plenty of copper wire. Maybe it'll save me wasting any money on ammonium sulfamate. -- Jeff |
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