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Making Greenhouses?
Later this year I will be helping son construct a new mist propagation
greenhouse, he is wanting to do it in wood with polycarbinate. I am pretty sure the area he has ear marked and base built is non standard size and shape hence his decision . Many years ago I was able to buy glazing bars etc in stove coated alluminium to recover my old victorian leantoo but I cant now find anyone supplying lengths of alluminium glazing bar. My feeling is if we can get hold of proper greenhouse mouldings it will have a much longer useful life and require less upkeep than if we build in wood. Does any one know of a supplier? -- Charlie Pridham Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk |
Making Greenhouses?
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Charlie Pridham wrote: My feeling is if we can get hold of proper greenhouse mouldings it will have a much longer useful life and require less upkeep than if we build in wood. Not necessarily. Well-made wooden structures will outlast UPVC or most metals - inter alia, they are repairable if one part breaks, so a single failure (combined with the original parts no longer being available) doesn't mean demolition and rebuilding. It is essential to use good-quality wood and, unless one of the extremely weather- resistant woods, to paint it and maintain the paint. Aluminiums vary, that I know, but I don't know which are durable and which aren't. I have seen some that were completely rotten after a couple of decades, even without exposure to salt spray, which you may get. Steels, ditto, so GOOD galvanising or fancy stainless is needed for a long life. And UPVC degrades with ultraviolet, at least. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Making Greenhouses?
On 11/06/2019 09:36, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 09:01:52 +0100, Charlie Pridham wrote: Later this year I will be helping son construct a new mist propagation greenhouse, he is wanting to do it in wood with polycarbinate. I am pretty sure the area he has ear marked and base built is non standard size and shape hence his decision . Many years ago I was able to buy glazing bars etc in stove coated alluminium to recover my old victorian leantoo but I cant now find anyone supplying lengths of alluminium glazing bar. My feeling is if we can get hold of proper greenhouse mouldings it will have a much longer useful life and require less upkeep than if we build in wood. Does any one know of a supplier? Anything useful here? https://www.glazingsystems.co.uk/sel...ms-click-here/ https://tinyurl.com/yxju9ply or somewhere in this lot https://tinyurl.com/yxr25yqc although not all are self-supporting Yes I know about that sort of stuff and have used it to make my own structures here but it is expensive. I may well have to go down that route. What I was hoping was that someone would still be making the standard alluminium glazing bars that we could glaze with glass, stove coated looks good and lasts, that way I can make it to what ever size he wants. I know at this stage everyone is probably wondering why didn't he just make the space the right size to fit a standard greenhouse, it would have been cheaper and easier, probably down to bad parenting! -- Charlie Pridham Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk |
Making Greenhouses?
On 11/06/2019 11:19, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , Charlie Pridham wrote: My feeling is if we can get hold of proper greenhouse mouldings it will have a much longer useful life and require less upkeep than if we build in wood. Not necessarily. Well-made wooden structures will outlast UPVC or most metals - inter alia, they are repairable if one part breaks, so a single failure (combined with the original parts no longer being available) doesn't mean demolition and rebuilding. It is essential to use good-quality wood and, unless one of the extremely weather- resistant woods, to paint it and maintain the paint. Aluminiums vary, that I know, but I don't know which are durable and which aren't. I have seen some that were completely rotten after a couple of decades, even without exposure to salt spray, which you may get. Steels, ditto, so GOOD galvanising or fancy stainless is needed for a long life. And UPVC degrades with ultraviolet, at least. Regards, Nick Maclaren. The problem with wood is that these days the quality is lacking or it is prohibitively expensive, but I think for a mist unit where it will be permanently wet it simply will be hard to keep clean and rot free and my O level wood working skills are way short of what would be required! -- Charlie Pridham Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk |
Making Greenhouses?
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 09:01:52 +0100, Charlie Pridham
wrote: Later this year I will be helping son construct a new mist propagation greenhouse, he is wanting to do it in wood with polycarbinate. I am pretty sure the area he has ear marked and base built is non standard size and shape hence his decision . Many years ago I was able to buy glazing bars etc in stove coated alluminium to recover my old victorian leantoo but I cant now find anyone supplying lengths of alluminium glazing bar. My feeling is if we can get hold of proper greenhouse mouldings it will have a much longer useful life and require less upkeep than if we build in wood. Does any one know of a supplier? An odd shape is more difficult, but a non-standard rectangular size can be worked around by buying an over-size greenhouse and modifying it to fit the desired size. Mark Rand |
Making Greenhouses?
On 11/06/19 09:01, Charlie Pridham wrote:
Later this year I will be helping son construct a new mist propagation greenhouse, he is wanting to do it in wood with polycarbinate. I am pretty sure the area he has ear marked and base built is non standard size and shape hence his decision . Many years ago I was able to buy glazing bars etc in stove coated alluminium to recover my old victorian leantoo but I cant now find anyone supplying lengths of alluminium glazing bar. My feeling is if we can get hold of proper greenhouse mouldings it will have a much longer useful life and require less upkeep than if we build in wood. Does any one know of a supplier? Sorry, but I have my extra-thick head on today. What exactly is a "mist propagation greenhouse"? I've heard of greenhouses, and mist-propagation units which fit in them, but never a greenhouse intended for mist propagation. Just how /long/ are the cuttings?! Whatever, have you considered second-hand greenhouses? Yes, you've the problem of dismantling and transport, but aluminium greenhouses can be had pretty cheaply, even if you have to replace a good bit of the glass (or polycarbonate). And it might be possible to get a few and adjust them to fit your son's site when reassembled. Quite a few in Devon and Cornwall (and elsewhere) he https://www.newsnow.co.uk/classifieds/home-garden/free-greenhouse-glass.html -- Jeff |
Making Greenhouses?
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Charlie Pridham wrote: The problem with wood is that these days the quality is lacking or it is prohibitively expensive, but I think for a mist unit where it will be permanently wet it simply will be hard to keep clean and rot free and my O level wood working skills are way short of what would be required! Ah. A mist unit. That does make it less attractive, I agree. But the problems I mentioned with the other materials remain. Durable products are likely to be expensive, and you won't know if they are until a decade down the line. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Making Greenhouses?
On 11/06/2019 12:28, Jeff Layman wrote:
Whatever, have you considered second-hand greenhouses? Yes, you've the problem of dismantling and transport, but aluminium greenhouses can be had pretty cheaply, even if you have to replace a good bit of the glass (or polycarbonate). And it might be possible to get a few and adjust them to fit your son's site when reassembled. Quite a few in Devon and Cornwall (and elsewhere) he https://www.newsnow.co.uk/classifieds/home-garden/free-greenhouse-glass.html Having had recent experience of dismantling and re-erecting an aluminum greenhouse recently the main advice i would give is to discard all the aluminum screws and nuts and the glazing clips. Replace them all with new and you will save yourself hours of time. New fixings and clips will only cost you £15 to £20 for a decent size greenhouse. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Making Greenhouses?
On 11/06/2019 12:28, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 11/06/19 09:01, Charlie Pridham wrote: Later this year I will be helping son construct a new mist propagation greenhouse, he is wanting to do it in wood with polycarbinate. I am pretty sure the area he has ear marked and base built is non standard size and shape hence his decision . Many years ago I was able to buy glazing bars etc in stove coated alluminium to recover my old victorian leantoo but I cant now find anyone supplying lengths of alluminium glazing bar. My feeling is if we can get hold of proper greenhouse mouldings it will have a much longer useful life and require less upkeep than if we build in wood. Does any one know of a supplier? Sorry, but I have my extra-thick head on today. What exactly is a "mist propagation greenhouse"? I've heard of greenhouses, and mist-propagation units which fit in them, but never a greenhouse intended for mist propagation. Just how /long/ are the cuttings?! Whatever, have you considered second-hand greenhouses? Yes, you've the problem of dismantling and transport, but aluminium greenhouses can be had pretty cheaply, even if you have to replace a good bit of the glass (or polycarbonate). And it might be possible to get a few and adjust them to fit your son's site when reassembled. Quite a few in Devon and Cornwall (and elsewhere) he https://www.newsnow.co.uk/classifieds/home-garden/free-greenhouse-glass.html Imagine a standard 8x14' greenhouse (just for example) put a 3' bench on either side and mist nozzles every 3' up the centre of the benches, so every time the mist fires water hits the glass and frame (as well as the intended target - the cuttings) the only way to avoid this is to have a much bigger greenhouse and have the bench up the middle with the paths at the sides like the one at Hill House, unfortunately we dont have the space or budget for that. -- Charlie Pridham Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk |
Making Greenhouses?
On 11/06/2019 12:12, Mark Rand wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 09:01:52 +0100, Charlie Pridham wrote: Later this year I will be helping son construct a new mist propagation greenhouse, he is wanting to do it in wood with polycarbinate. I am pretty sure the area he has ear marked and base built is non standard size and shape hence his decision . Many years ago I was able to buy glazing bars etc in stove coated alluminium to recover my old victorian leantoo but I cant now find anyone supplying lengths of alluminium glazing bar. My feeling is if we can get hold of proper greenhouse mouldings it will have a much longer useful life and require less upkeep than if we build in wood. Does any one know of a supplier? An odd shape is more difficult, but a non-standard rectangular size can be worked around by buying an over-size greenhouse and modifying it to fit the desired size. Mark Rand Yes I agree, and its probably the best solution, it would have course have made my life easier if he had laid the thing out with that in mind but as he has constructed the base walls in concrete blocks on their sides I will have to work with the floor plan as is! -- Charlie Pridham Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk |
Making Greenhouses?
On 11/06/2019 21:10, alan_m wrote:
On 11/06/2019 12:28, Jeff Layman wrote: Whatever, have you considered second-hand greenhouses? Yes, you've the problem of dismantling and transport, but aluminium greenhouses can be had pretty cheaply, even if you have to replace a good bit of the glass (or polycarbonate). And it might be possible to get a few and adjust them to fit your son's site when reassembled. Quite a few in Devon and Cornwall (and elsewhere) he https://www.newsnow.co.uk/classifieds/home-garden/free-greenhouse-glass.html Having had recent experience of dismantling and re-erecting an aluminum greenhouse recently the main advice i would give is to discard all the aluminum screws and nuts and the glazing clips. Replace them all with new and you will save yourself hours of time. New fixings and clips will only cost you £15 to £20 for a decent size greenhouse. I have bags and and bags of brand new nuts bolts and clips (running repairs to our existing 6 greenhouses), but its a valid point and saves hours of grief! -- Charlie Pridham Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk |
Making Greenhouses?
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 11:31:14 +0100, Charlie Pridham wrote:
On 11/06/2019 09:36, Chris Hogg wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 09:01:52 +0100, Charlie Pridham wrote: Later this year I will be helping son construct a new mist propagation greenhouse, he is wanting to do it in wood with polycarbinate. I am pretty sure the area he has ear marked and base built is non standard size and shape hence his decision . Many years ago I was able to buy glazing bars etc in stove coated alluminium to recover my old victorian leantoo but I cant now find anyone supplying lengths of alluminium glazing bar. My feeling is if we can get hold of proper greenhouse mouldings it will have a much longer useful life and require less upkeep than if we build in wood. Does any one know of a supplier? Anything useful here? https://www.glazingsystems.co.uk/sel...g-bar-systems- click-here/ https://tinyurl.com/yxju9ply or somewhere in this lot https://tinyurl.com/yxr25yqc although not all are self-supporting Yes I know about that sort of stuff and have used it to make my own structures here but it is expensive. I may well have to go down that route. What I was hoping was that someone would still be making the standard alluminium glazing bars that we could glaze with glass, stove coated looks good and lasts, that way I can make it to what ever size he wants. I know at this stage everyone is probably wondering why didn't he just make the space the right size to fit a standard greenhouse, it would have been cheaper and easier, probably down to bad parenting! You should, of course, price in changing the base against the additional cost of building a non-standard greenhouse. Knocking down a block base and then erecting to the standard size should not be prohibitively expensive. Also consider extending/contracting the base and living with the redundant blocks which are now on the inside/outside and which might be repurposed for containing beds or storage. At the moment you are being inconvenienced because the base is non- standard. That can be fixed. Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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