On 20/10/2019 10:43, Another John wrote:
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wrote:

On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 5:14:09 PM UTC+1, Another John wrote:
Hello folks: can anyone identify two plants that are currently
prospering in our garden? I hope you can see them at

https://photos.app.goo.gl/5Ebgj4oWNHEwXkdi9

Plant A is as you can see about as tall as my wife, who is 5'4". The
leaf is alongside. Personally I think it's an evening primrose that's
too late for its season. OTOH, the leaves are also reminiscent of a
teazel, but without a prickle in sight.

Plant B: again, as tall as my wife. She thinks it's a dahlia, gone mad
because it's missed its season (or perhaps because of the excessive
drinking it has been forced to do this year). It's not in "the dahlia
bed", because we don't have a dahlia bed: my wife likes to "just bung
'em in where she finds a space", hence she wouldn't be surprised if it
is a dahlia.

Neither plant has the faintest signs of buds let alone flowers.

Cheers!
John (and wife)

Have they just "Arrived" or did you deliberately plant them? Plant A reminds
me of the tall Calceolaria here although they seem hairier than your mystery
plant

Hi Charlie,
They "just arrived", and we didn't notice them until September, when
they started edging above everything around them.

Having looked at various calceolaria at your suggestion: no, not one of
them. Great Rosebay Willow Herb seems to be the closest so far,
suggested by Bob, but there's no sign whatever of flowers.

I'd lover to know what Plant B is! I've never seen anything like it:
foliage very dahlia-like, but so tall, and it's as wide as it's tall.

Cheers
John

Several species dahlias will grow to 8ft or more.

Another John wrote:

can anyone identify two plants

While we're doing mystery plants, any thoughts on this low growing one?

http://andyburns.uk/misc/mystery_plant.jpg

Reminds me of a land-loving version of Samphire ...

On 20/10/2019 17:09, Andy Burns wrote:
Another John wrote:

can anyone identify two plants

While we're doing mystery plants, any thoughts on this low growing one?

http://andyburns.uk/misc/mystery_plant.jpg

Reminds me of a land-loving version of Samphire ...

Sedum acre - has little yellow flowers.

--
SRH

Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

http://andyburns.uk/misc/mystery_plant.jpg

Sedum acre - has little yellow flowers.

Thanks, not seen it in flower, wiki says it struggles to outcompete
other plants, but it seems to be doing a very good job of outcompeting
most things on cleared ground ...

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Another John wrote:

can anyone identify two plants

While we're doing mystery plants, any thoughts on this low growing one?

http://andyburns.uk/misc/mystery_plant.jpg

Reminds me of a land-loving version of Samphire ...

Sedum, but I am not sure which.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

http://andyburns.uk/misc/mystery_plant.jpg

Sedum acre - has little yellow flowers.

Thanks, not seen it in flower, wiki says it struggles to outcompete
other plants, but it seems to be doing a very good job of outcompeting
most things on cleared ground ...

It thrives on seriously poor ground that doesn't hold water, where
most plants don't. It's a bit like my Cyclamen coum, which has
(with very little assistance) formed a monoculture in a bed that is
under the eaves of my house. Neither will do that if there is any
serious competition from faster-growing plants.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Nick Maclaren wrote:

Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:

Sedum acre

It thrives on seriously poor ground that doesn't hold water, where
most plants don't.

The area in question is gravelly/sandy and very free draining, topsoil
will need to be brought in at some point

On 18/10/2019 22:07, Another John wrote:
OP here ...

Stewart, and Jeff, and Jim wrote

[various things -- much appreciated, so far, folks!]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/5Ebgj4oWNHEwXkdi9

I would add that you can't really appreciate the fleshiness of the stem
of Plant A (which had me leaning towards evening primrose), and I would
point out the bronze stems of Plant B which, again, may not be
especially obvious in those photos.

Both plants are very proliferous in their foliage, as well as height.

And presumably volunteers that just appeared in the garden from seed.

My initial guess for the left hand one was a poke weed but the leaf
veins are not quite right. Life would be made so much easier if you
could persuade either of them to flower.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytol...e_Pokeweed.jpg

It will flower in the UK and sometimes comes in with the birds.

I didn't actually realise, before, but you can enlarge the photos
(didn't notice the magnifying glass, top right when you've clicked on a
photo).

Finally: hmm - we _do_ feed the birds a lot: rogue bird seeds?

Quite likely the question is which component of the mix.


--
Regards,
Martin Brown

In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:

On 18/10/2019 22:07, Another John wrote:
OP here ...

Stewart, and Jeff, and Jim wrote

[various things -- much appreciated, so far, folks!]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/5Ebgj4oWNHEwXkdi9

I would add that you can't really appreciate the fleshiness of the stem
of Plant A (which had me leaning towards evening primrose), and I would
point out the bronze stems of Plant B which, again, may not be
especially obvious in those photos.

Both plants are very proliferous in their foliage, as well as height.

And presumably volunteers that just appeared in the garden from seed.

My initial guess for the left hand one was a poke weed but the leaf
veins are not quite right. Life would be made so much easier if you
could persuade either of them to flower.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytol...ature_Pokeweed
.jpg

It will flower in the UK and sometimes comes in with the birds.

I didn't actually realise, before, but you can enlarge the photos
(didn't notice the magnifying glass, top right when you've clicked on a
photo).

Finally: hmm - we _do_ feed the birds a lot: rogue bird seeds?

Quite likely the question is which component of the mix.

Thanks Martin - I thought you were on t something there when I saw the
first picture of pokeweed, with its purple stalks ... but it's not that.
Thank goodness! Sounds like a right nasty plant -- I like this bit from
the Wikipedia entry : "The leaves and stems of very young plants can
both be eaten, but must be cooked, usually boiled three times in fresh
water each time." It always gives me pause for thought, to reflect
that for most of human history, people have eaten (had to eat) whatever
they could find ... and that some poor sods found out the hard way how
their descendants needed to prepare certain foods!

The hunt goes on: I had another look at the blighters today, and No: not
a sign of buds on either, and so they're going to kick the bucket in the
next few weeks without ever having told us us what they are!

John

On 21/10/2019 17:59, Another John wrote:
In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:

On 18/10/2019 22:07, Another John wrote:
OP here ...

Stewart, and Jeff, and Jim wrote

[various things -- much appreciated, so far, folks!]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/5Ebgj4oWNHEwXkdi9

I would add that you can't really appreciate the fleshiness of the stem
of Plant A (which had me leaning towards evening primrose), and I would
point out the bronze stems of Plant B which, again, may not be
especially obvious in those photos.

Both plants are very proliferous in their foliage, as well as height.

And presumably volunteers that just appeared in the garden from seed.

My initial guess for the left hand one was a poke weed but the leaf
veins are not quite right. Life would be made so much easier if you
could persuade either of them to flower.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytol...ature_Pokeweed
.jpg

It will flower in the UK and sometimes comes in with the birds.

I didn't actually realise, before, but you can enlarge the photos
(didn't notice the magnifying glass, top right when you've clicked on a
photo).

Finally: hmm - we _do_ feed the birds a lot: rogue bird seeds?

Quite likely the question is which component of the mix.

Thanks Martin - I thought you were on t something there when I saw the
first picture of pokeweed, with its purple stalks ... but it's not that.
Thank goodness! Sounds like a right nasty plant -- I like this bit from
the Wikipedia entry : "The leaves and stems of very young plants can
both be eaten, but must be cooked, usually boiled three times in fresh
water each time." It always gives me pause for thought, to reflect
that for most of human history, people have eaten (had to eat) whatever
they could find ... and that some poor sods found out the hard way how
their descendants needed to prepare certain foods!

The hunt goes on: I had another look at the blighters today, and No: not
a sign of buds on either, and so they're going to kick the bucket in the
next few weeks without ever having told us us what they are!

John

Just a note. If the second one is a type of species Dahlia then it may
NOT have tubers, some varieties just have fleshy roots, but after the
first frost I would cut it back and lift it carefully to store somewhere
frost free.
Who knows next year it may flower and supprise us all.

On 21/10/2019 18:46, David Hill wrote:
On 21/10/2019 17:59, Another John wrote:
In article ,
Â* Martin Brown wrote:

On 18/10/2019 22:07, Another John wrote:
OP here ...

Â*Â* Stewart, and Jeff, and Jim wrote

[various things -- much appreciated, so far, folks!]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/5Ebgj4oWNHEwXkdi9

I would add that you can't really appreciate the fleshiness of the stem
of Plant AÂ* (which had me leaning towards evening primrose), and I
would
point out the bronze stems of Plant B which, again, may not be
especially obvious in those photos.

Both plants are very proliferous in their foliage, as well as height.

And presumably volunteers that just appeared in the garden from seed.

My initial guess for the left hand one was a poke weed but the leaf
veins are not quite right. Life would be made so much easier if you
could persuade either of them to flower.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytol...ature_Pokeweed

.jpg

It will flower in the UK and sometimes comes in with the birds.

I didn't actually realise, before, but you can enlarge the photos
(didn't notice the magnifying glass, top right when you've clicked on a
photo).

Finally: hmm - we _do_ feed the birds a lot: rogue bird seeds?

Quite likely the question is which component of the mix.

Thanks Martin - I thought you were on t something there when I saw the
first picture of pokeweed, with its purple stalks ... but it's not that.
Thank goodness!Â* Sounds like a right nasty plant -- I like this bit from
the Wikipedia entry : "The leaves and stems of very young plants can
both be eaten, but must be cooked, usually boiled three times in fresh
water each time."Â*Â*Â*Â* It always gives me pause for thought, to reflect
that for most of human history, people have eaten (had to eat)Â* whatever
they could find ... and that some poor sods found out the hard way how
their descendants needed to prepare certain foods!

The hunt goes on: I had another look at the blighters today, and No: not
a sign of buds on either, and so they're going to kick the bucket in the
next few weeks without ever having told us us what they are!

John

Just a note. If the second one is a type of species Dahlia then it may
NOT have tubers, some varieties just have fleshy roots, but after the
first frost I would cut it back and lift it carefully to store somewhere
frost free.
Who knows next year it may flower and supprise us all.

Not realy related but I found this clip of interest and a form of dahlia
I had never heard sbout before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klR3SFK48PQ

On 21/10/2019 17:59, Another John wrote:
In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:

On 18/10/2019 22:07, Another John wrote:
OP here ...

Stewart, and Jeff, and Jim wrote

[various things -- much appreciated, so far, folks!]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/5Ebgj4oWNHEwXkdi9

I would add that you can't really appreciate the fleshiness of the stem
of Plant A (which had me leaning towards evening primrose), and I would
point out the bronze stems of Plant B which, again, may not be
especially obvious in those photos.

Both plants are very proliferous in their foliage, as well as height.

And presumably volunteers that just appeared in the garden from seed.

My initial guess for the left hand one was a poke weed but the leaf
veins are not quite right. Life would be made so much easier if you
could persuade either of them to flower.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytol...ature_Pokeweed
.jpg

It will flower in the UK and sometimes comes in with the birds.

I didn't actually realise, before, but you can enlarge the photos
(didn't notice the magnifying glass, top right when you've clicked on a
photo).

Finally: hmm - we _do_ feed the birds a lot: rogue bird seeds?

Quite likely the question is which component of the mix.

Thanks Martin - I thought you were on t something there when I saw the
first picture of pokeweed, with its purple stalks ... but it's not that.
Thank goodness! Sounds like a right nasty plant -- I like this bit from
the Wikipedia entry : "The leaves and stems of very young plants can
both be eaten, but must be cooked, usually boiled three times in fresh
water each time." It always gives me pause for thought, to reflect
that for most of human history, people have eaten (had to eat) whatever
they could find ... and that some poor sods found out the hard way how
their descendants needed to prepare certain foods!

It isn't all that bad and is quite ornamental. I got one spontaneously
appear in my garden when I lived in Belgium. It even set seed so I could
keep on growing it. Not at all invasive and quite a bit less toxic than
some of the other exotics that I like to grow.

My local specialist plant nursery Dark Star plants has it in their
mostly black (or dark red) plants selection in the walled garden at East
Rounton. It flowers most years and sets seed but it prefers warmer
summers than the UK can usually offer (last year was exceptional).

The hunt goes on: I had another look at the blighters today, and No: not
a sign of buds on either, and so they're going to kick the bucket in the
next few weeks without ever having told us us what they are!

You could try putting fleece over them when a frost is predicted and
hope that they do get to flowering size this year. Or rescue any tubers
and/or mulch heavily in the hope of keeping them over the winter. Maybe
something like a cloche over them to keep the rain off as well.

We probably would get it ID'd if only there was a flower!

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

In article ,
David Hill wrote:

Just a note. If the second one is a type of species Dahlia then it may
NOT have tubers, some varieties just have fleshy roots, but after the
first frost I would cut it back and lift it carefully to store somewhere
frost free.
Who knows next year it may flower and supprise us all.

Yep -- we fully intend to dig it up carefully when the time comes!
Interesting about the non-tuber varieties -- we'll remember that!


Not realy related but I found this clip of interest and a form of dahlia
I had never heard sbout before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klR3SFK48PQ

Also interesting - mesmerising in fact, with that accent, and that
music! :-)

John

In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:

The hunt goes on: I had another look at the blighters today, and No: not
a sign of buds on either, and so they're going to kick the bucket in the
next few weeks without ever having told us us what they are!

You could try putting fleece over them when a frost is predicted and
hope that they do get to flowering size this year. Or rescue any tubers
and/or mulch heavily in the hope of keeping them over the winter. Maybe
something like a cloche over them to keep the rain off as well.

We probably would get it ID'd if only there was a flower!

Thanks for the encouragement! I will report back if/when we get to know
anything new!

John

On 18/10/2019 17:14, Another John wrote:
Hello folks: can anyone identify two plants that are currently
prospering in our garden? I hope you can see them at

https://photos.app.goo.gl/5Ebgj4oWNHEwXkdi9

Plant A is as you can see about as tall as my wife, who is 5'4". The
leaf is alongside. Personally I think it's an evening primrose that's
too late for its season. OTOH, the leaves are also reminiscent of a
teazel, but without a prickle in sight.

Plant B: again, as tall as my wife. She thinks it's a dahlia, gone mad
because it's missed its season (or perhaps because of the excessive
drinking it has been forced to do this year). It's not in "the dahlia
bed", because we don't have a dahlia bed: my wife likes to "just bung
'em in where she finds a space", hence she wouldn't be surprised if it
is a dahlia.

Neither plant has the faintest signs of buds let alone flowers.

Cheers!
John (and wife)

I know it should have flowered by now but could the first be some form
of Inula?