On 05/08/2020 13:32, #Paul wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
Climate change [...]

Here's a recent review, which the many experts on the subject
here will have no trouble at all understanding :-)


The Physics of Climate Variability and Climate Change

Michael Ghil, Valerio Lucarini

The climate system is a forced, dissipative, nonlinear, complex and
heterogeneous system that is out of thermodynamic equilibrium.

= Impossible to model with any degree of long term accuracy.

The system
exhibits natural variability on many scales of motion, in time as well as
space, and it is subject to various external forcings, ...

https://arxiv.org/abs/1910.00583
https://doi.org/10.1103/RevModPhys.92.035002


Summary here (but the summary is not the science):
https://physics.aps.org/articles/v13/121


"The world is heating up."

Er no, it isn't Not since 2000 or thereabouts.

Except in towns, and where Eco activists are using cigarette lighters on
accessible weather stations.

#Paul



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On 06/08/2020 09:53, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:05:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 05/08/2020 13:32, #Paul wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
Climate change [...]

Here's a recent review, which the many experts on the subject
here will have no trouble at all understanding :-)


The Physics of Climate Variability and Climate Change

Michael Ghil, Valerio Lucarini

The climate system is a forced, dissipative, nonlinear, complex and
heterogeneous system that is out of thermodynamic equilibrium.

= Impossible to model with any degree of long term accuracy.

Especially given the precision, or rather, the lack of it, when it
comes to measuring the parameters that go into those models.

The system
exhibits natural variability on many scales of motion, in time as well as
space, and it is subject to various external forcings, ...

https://arxiv.org/abs/1910.00583
https://doi.org/10.1103/RevModPhys.92.035002


Summary here (but the summary is not the science):
https://physics.aps.org/articles/v13/121


"The world is heating up."

Er no, it isn't Not since 2000 or thereabouts.

Except in towns, and where Eco activists are using cigarette lighters on
accessible weather stations.

#Paul


I've just finished a topical thriller by an author I follow, Scott
Mariani, 'The Cassandra Sanction', in which a small group of
climatologists and astronomers have rumbled the whole 'CO2 is bad'
hypothesis. But a group of powerful businessmen with huge financial
interests in renewable energy systems and in maintaining the CO2 myth,
are slowly having the members of the group killed off, one by one.
Mariani seems pretty knowledgeable on the case against CO2. A good
read from several points of view.

I'll get that. ta


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Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the
gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

On Wed, 05 Aug 2020 13:32:29 +0100,
(#Paul) wrote:

Martin Brown wrote:
Climate change [...]

Here's a recent review, which the many experts on the subject
here will have no trouble at all understanding :-)


The Physics of Climate Variability and Climate Change

Michael Ghil, Valerio Lucarini

The climate system is a forced, dissipative, nonlinear, complex and
heterogeneous system that is out of thermodynamic equilibrium. The system
exhibits natural variability on many scales of motion, in time as well as
space, and it is subject to various external forcings, ...

https://arxiv.org/abs/1910.00583
https://doi.org/10.1103/RevModPhys.92.035002


Summary here (but the summary is not the science):
https://physics.aps.org/articles/v13/121


All because of my front lawn? I'll concrete it over then :?

--
AnthonyL

Why do scientists need to BELIEVE in anything?

On 06/08/2020 12:26, AnthonyL wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2020 13:32:29 +0100,
(#Paul) wrote:

Martin Brown wrote:
Climate change [...]

Here's a recent review, which the many experts on the subject
here will have no trouble at all understanding :-)


The Physics of Climate Variability and Climate Change

Michael Ghil, Valerio Lucarini

The climate system is a forced, dissipative, nonlinear, complex and
heterogeneous system that is out of thermodynamic equilibrium. The system
exhibits natural variability on many scales of motion, in time as well as
space, and it is subject to various external forcings, ...

https://arxiv.org/abs/1910.00583
https://doi.org/10.1103/RevModPhys.92.035002


Summary here (but the summary is not the science):
https://physics.aps.org/articles/v13/121


All because of my front lawn? I'll concrete it over then :?

That will definitely raise temperatures!

In fact there is a study that no one talks about that appears to show
that all late 20th century warming has only occurred at weather stations
that have had urban development around them.

Or jet exhausts pointing at them.

Isolated weather stations in remote rural locations show little or no
warming at all.



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Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

On 06/08/2020 12:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

In fact there is a study that no one talks about that appears to show
that all late 20th century warming has only occurred at weather stations
that have had urban development around them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Earth

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SRH

On 11/08/2020 18:24, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
On 06/08/2020 12:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

In fact there is a study that no one talks about that appears to show
that all late 20th century warming has only occurred at weather
stations that have had urban development around them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Earth

Set up to 'disprove' an inconvenient truth.


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There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons
that sound good.

Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)

On 11/08/2020 22:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/08/2020 18:24, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
On 06/08/2020 12:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

In fact there is a study that no one talks about that appears to show
that all late 20th century warming has only occurred at weather
stations that have had urban development around them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Earth

Set up to 'disprove' an inconvenient truth.


Well, yes, it was set up to disprove the inconvenient truth that the
earth is warning, with the specific hypothesis that the warming trend
was an artefact of site location. However it failed to do so because the
researcher was honest and followed the data.

--
SRH

On 12/08/2020 10:19, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
On 11/08/2020 22:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/08/2020 18:24, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
On 06/08/2020 12:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

In fact there is a study that no one talks about that appears to
show that all late 20th century warming has only occurred at weather
stations that have had urban development around them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Earth

Set up to 'disprove' an inconvenient truth.


Well, yes, it was set up to disprove the inconvenient truth that the
earth is warning, with the specific hypothesis that the warming trend
was an artefact of site location. However it failed to do so because the
researcher was honest and followed the data.

No, it was set up to disprove the inconvenient truth that the earth
actually isn't warming very much at all, and certainly in no way
correlated to carbon dioxide output.

Rising temperature from the 1980s to 2000, pretty much flat since then.
Whilst CO2 has risen smoothly throughout that period,

Don't have to be a genius to realise that completely refutes 'nearly all
modern warming is down to CO2'.



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a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.�

Dennis Miller

In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:

Please don't encourage the troll.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.