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Old 18-05-2003, 04:56 PM
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Hi,

I have a heavy clay soil - I live one mile away from the largest clay pit
in the world, in fact it was featured on Flying Gardener on Friday night.
The location is Houghton Conquest, Bedfordshire.

Anyway, I have a rectangular area of land to improve measuring 25m x 5m. So
in all that's about 125 square metres of land. I intend to buy some
horticultural grit and the largest pile of muck you ever seen. Question is
where should I get a large quantity of my required substances? I reckon I
need at least a ton of grit, and I'm having trouble sourcing a large
quantity of manure at the moment. The land will be used mainly to produce
vegetables and herbs next year, I'm spending this year preparing the soil.

Any hints appreciated!

A view of my plot can be seen he
http://www.markallison.co.uk/garden/garden.gif

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Old 18-05-2003, 05:20 PM
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Farmers, livery stables , Riding stables


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Hi,

I have a heavy clay soil - I live one mile away from the largest clay pit
in the world, in fact it was featured on Flying Gardener on Friday night.
The location is Houghton Conquest, Bedfordshire.

Anyway, I have a rectangular area of land to improve measuring 25m x 5m.

So
in all that's about 125 square metres of land. I intend to buy some
horticultural grit and the largest pile of muck you ever seen. Question is
where should I get a large quantity of my required substances? I reckon I
need at least a ton of grit, and I'm having trouble sourcing a large
quantity of manure at the moment. The land will be used mainly to produce
vegetables and herbs next year, I'm spending this year preparing the soil.

Any hints appreciated!

A view of my plot can be seen he
http://www.markallison.co.uk/garden/garden.gif

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Old 18-05-2003, 06:08 PM
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On 18 May 2003 10:01:09 -0500, Mark Allison wrote:

Anyway, I have a rectangular area of land to improve measuring 25m x
5m. So in all that's about 125 square metres of land.

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I reckon I need at least a ton of grit, ...


Think you'll need more than that, thats only about 1cm depth over that
area, probably less. I think you'll be looking at closer to 5 tonnes.

... and I'm having trouble sourcing a large quantity of manure at
the moment.


Any local stables, they normally can't get rid of the stuff. Of course
you ideally want something rotted. Though as you are only soil
conditioning this year partially rotted would probably do. Again
you'll be looking at few tonnes. A lot of work to dig in by hand,
suggest a decent rotavator, go over the soil first to break it up (if
possible) spread the manure and grit and go over again.


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Old 18-05-2003, 06:20 PM
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In article , Mark
Allison writes
Hi,

I have a heavy clay soil - I live one mile away from the largest clay pit
in the world, in fact it was featured on Flying Gardener on Friday night.
The location is Houghton Conquest, Bedfordshire.

Anyway, I have a rectangular area of land to improve measuring 25m x 5m. So
in all that's about 125 square metres of land. I intend to buy some
horticultural grit and the largest pile of muck you ever seen. Question is
where should I get a large quantity of my required substances? I reckon I
need at least a ton of grit, and I'm having trouble sourcing a large
quantity of manure at the moment. The land will be used mainly to produce
vegetables and herbs next year, I'm spending this year preparing the soil.

Any hints appreciated!

A view of my plot can be seen he
http://www.markallison.co.uk/garden/garden.gif


Many years ago I was informed that the type f grit which is really
required to improve clay soil, (I was on clay at that time and took note
of the comment) was the grit which is picked up in the gutter from the
road sweeper. At that time I did nothing about it, but years later when
I did see the piles of grit emptied from the road sweeper, I remembered
what had been said.

Just an idea, but contact the authority who sweeps your roads?

Others have pointed to Riding Stables and 'Horsey' environments :-))

(If you were on the Isle of Wight, I could invite you to clear tonnes of
well rotted Leaf Mould from the site I am working on :-)) A friend is
coming with Land Rover and Trailer on Tuesday, complete with Chain Saw
to take a 'few' logs for his wood burning stove. :-))

Mike
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Old 18-05-2003, 08:44 PM
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Mark Allison wrote in message . 234.3...
Hi,

I have a heavy clay soil - I live one mile away from the largest clay pit
in the world, in fact it was featured on Flying Gardener on Friday night.
The location is Houghton Conquest, Bedfordshire.

Anyway, I have a rectangular area of land to improve measuring 25m x 5m. So
in all that's about 125 square metres of land. I intend to buy some
horticultural grit and the largest pile of muck you ever seen. Question is
where should I get a large quantity of my required substances? I reckon I
need at least a ton of grit, and I'm having trouble sourcing a large
quantity of manure at the moment. The land will be used mainly to produce
vegetables and herbs next year, I'm spending this year preparing the soil.

Any hints appreciated!

A view of my plot can be seen he
http://www.markallison.co.uk/garden/garden.gif

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Stables for manu Usually free if you collect.Otherwise you pay
to haVE it delivered. i.e. drivers time and costs....Regards Ken


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Old 18-05-2003, 09:56 PM
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Anyway, I have a rectangular area of land to improve measuring 25m x 5m. So
in all that's about 125 square metres of land. I intend to buy some
horticultural grit and the largest pile of muck you ever seen. Question is
where should I get a large quantity of my required substances? I reckon I
need at least a ton of grit, and I'm having trouble sourcing a large
quantity of manure at the moment. The land will be used mainly to produce
vegetables and herbs next year, I'm spending this year preparing the soil.


I suggest you halve the plot. When you get the manure, spread it over
the whole plot. It doesn't matter whether you put the grit on top or the
other way round, though I'd tend to put the grit on the manure.

Cover one half with straw and old cardboard, get the cardboard wet
through then peg black polythene over it and leave it for a year. (ish)
You can make small discs of plywood, metal, plastic, make a hole inthe
middle and drive pegs through them and the polythene to collect water
and let it through. The pegging will give a quilted effect, and the rain
will run into the depressions and through.

The other half, I'd really go to town on. Cover the manure and grit with
old cardboard, woollen carpets without foam backing (if you can get them
now - firms aren't supposed to let you have old carpet.) more manure,
then cover the area with one thickness of bales of straw.

Save as much urine as possible and water the straw with it, diluted,
until the bales are wet through. Cover with black polythene and leave
like that for two years.

After the two years (or when the worms have done their work) se the new
plot and then treat the other side the same way as your heavily strawed
part.

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Old 18-05-2003, 11:56 PM
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You can also get spent hops from breweries
and many Sewerage companies were happy to deliver dried sewerage free
.........dont know if this has been stopped but i know someone who used lorry
loads of it on his clay soil and he grew all his own veg
Lots of carpet shops dump old carpet outside


"Mark Allison" wrote in message
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Hi,

I have a heavy clay soil - I live one mile away from the largest clay pit
in the world, in fact it was featured on Flying Gardener on Friday night.
The location is Houghton Conquest, Bedfordshire.

Anyway, I have a rectangular area of land to improve measuring 25m x 5m.

So
in all that's about 125 square metres of land. I intend to buy some
horticultural grit and the largest pile of muck you ever seen. Question is
where should I get a large quantity of my required substances? I reckon I
need at least a ton of grit, and I'm having trouble sourcing a large
quantity of manure at the moment. The land will be used mainly to produce
vegetables and herbs next year, I'm spending this year preparing the soil.

Any hints appreciated!

A view of my plot can be seen he
http://www.markallison.co.uk/garden/garden.gif

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Consider Kerria Japonica instead. Grows to about 6', spreads slowly,
nice yellow flowers. Cheap

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Sorry, wrong thread!

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Sorry, wrong thread!

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Old 26-05-2003, 10:59 AM
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Hi Mark,

the website for the uk.rec.gardening has advice on improving soil which I
have just tried out... using building grit (29 per ton from wickes) to
improve drainage and plaster (finishing plaster at wickes 3 for 25), which
contains gypsum and apparently floculates the clay. Step by step procedure
at http://www.tmac.clara.co.uk/urgring/faqsoil1.htm

looks a bit weird when the soil goes white/grey from the plaster, but that
improves once you mix it in.

good luck

kind regards
Bruce




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