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A report in todays Mail says a cat was killed by an electric fence erected by a fellow in Penrith, who was upset that cats were invading his garden. It is claimed that the fence was powered by a twelve volt battery charger, I would not have thought that 12 volts would have sufficient to kill anything that size. Alan -- Reply to alan(at)windsor-berks(dot)freeserve(dot)co(dot)uk |
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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... A report in todays Mail says a cat was killed by an electric fence erected by a fellow in Penrith, who was upset that cats were invading his garden. It is claimed that the fence was powered by a twelve volt battery charger, I would not have thought that 12 volts would have sufficient to kill anything that size. Alan -- Reply to alan(at)windsor-berks(dot)freeserve(dot)co(dot)uk It's more to do with the current than the voltage - my guess that the wet surroundings made the cat's electrical resistance sufficiently low enough to first stun the animal and then kill it as held the wire in it's mouth (remember shocks can cause involuntary muscle contraction) Not a nice way to go even if you hate cats. |
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"Cupra" wrote in message Snip That "Alan Holmes" wrote in message Snip . . . . .I would not have thought that 12 volts would have sufficient to kill anything that size. Snip It's more to do with the current than the voltage Or, as all ex radar men know, "It's the volts that jolts but the mils that kills" Geoff |
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"geoff" wrote in message ... "Cupra" wrote in message Snip That "Alan Holmes" wrote in message Snip . . . . .I would not have thought that 12 volts would have sufficient to kill anything that size. Snip It's more to do with the current than the voltage Or, as all ex radar men know, "It's the volts that jolts but the mils that kills" Geoff That's the phrase I was trying to remember (my last shock was 600VDC and that certainly jolted - luckily I was following the hand in pocket rule........) |
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"Cupra" wrote in message ... "geoff" wrote in message ... "Cupra" wrote in message Snip That "Alan Holmes" wrote in message Snip . . . . .I would not have thought that 12 volts would have sufficient to kill anything that size. Snip It's more to do with the current than the voltage Or, as all ex radar men know, "It's the volts that jolts but the mils that kills" Geoff That's the phrase I was trying to remember (my last shock was 600VDC and that certainly jolted - luckily I was following the hand in pocket rule........) In this country it only hertz 50 times a second or so I am informed. by an ex.Sigs chappy :0) ............. Regards ConnieD.( married to him) |
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"Cupra" wrote in message ... luckily I was following the hand in pocket rule........) Eh? pk |
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"Paul Kelly" wrote in message ... "Cupra" wrote in message ... luckily I was following the hand in pocket rule........) Eh? pk If you're going to be daft (like me) and play around with dangerous voltages, keep one hand in your pocket - that way if you do get a shock it normally flows down the body, not across the chest (ie: heart), if you are touching earth with the other hand. But to be 100% safe don't touch at all!!!! |
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"Cupra" wrote in message ... "Paul Kelly" wrote in message pk If you're going to be daft (like me) and play around with dangerous voltages, keep one hand in your pocket - that way if you do get a shock it normally flows down the body, not across the chest (ie: heart), if you are touching earth with the other hand. But to be 100% safe don't touch at all!!!! Thanks! A bit like the old 'leccies trick of flicking connections with the back of their fingers to check if live or not. If live the muscle spasm closes the fingers away from the wire. As they say, don't try this at home. pk |
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"Paul Kelly" wrote in message ... "Cupra" wrote in message ... luckily I was following the hand in pocket rule........) Eh? pk If you're going to be daft (like me) and play around with dangerous voltages, keep one hand in your pocket - that way if you do get a shock it normally flows down the body, not across the chest (ie: heart), if you are touching earth with the other hand. And to be twice as safe (or should that be half as dangerous?) it's your left hand in the pocket and your right hand on the workpiece, that way any current to ground through your body and feet tends to use the right hand side, away from your heart. Trev |
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In article , Paul Kelly p.g.kelly@bt
internetNOSPAM.com writes "Cupra" wrote in message ... luckily I was following the hand in pocket rule........) Eh? Even I know that one! :-) -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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"Cupra" wrote in message ... "geoff" wrote in message ... "Cupra" wrote in message Snip That "Alan Holmes" wrote in message Snip . . . . .I would not have thought that 12 volts would have sufficient to kill anything that size. Snip It's more to do with the current than the voltage Or, as all ex radar men know, "It's the volts that jolts but the mils that kills" Geoff This is correct, it is the current that kills, the voltage is incidental inasmuch as the current depends on the voltage AND the resistance of the subject. The resistance of the subject ( let us posit a cat in this instance ) depends very much on the atmospheric/soil conditions at the time. All the same, I don't reckon 12 volts would kill a cat, even if it licked the wire with its tongue. My understanding is that it would take at least 30 volts to kill a human even if they were standing in a bath of salty water in a copper tub. I reckon the chap must have stepped up the voltage as with an electric fence. Andy |
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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... A report in todays Mail says a cat was killed by an electric fence erected by a fellow in Penrith, who was upset that cats were invading his garden. It is claimed that the fence was powered by a twelve volt battery charger, I would not have thought that 12 volts would have sufficient to kill anything that size. Can be stepped up by transformer. Most electric fences although high voltage, are safe for humans and livestock , because they include a repeater which cuts out after the first jolt, to avoid creating a pile of rare steaks next to the fence. Marcus |
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I guess you read that in the Mail, where the same article describes a puppy
that had it's ears cut off by kids using blunt scissors. I think if they're caught they should have their own ears cut off with blunt scissors, see how they like it. A few weeks ago some ducks were stoned to death by drunk kids on our beautiful village pond. What is it with people my age? Charlie. "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... A report in todays Mail says a cat was killed by an electric fence erected by a fellow in Penrith, who was upset that cats were invading his garden. It is claimed that the fence was powered by a twelve volt battery charger, I would not have thought that 12 volts would have sufficient to kill anything that size. Alan -- Reply to alan(at)windsor-berks(dot)freeserve(dot)co(dot)uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 |
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In article , Marcus
Fox writes "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... A report in todays Mail says a cat was killed by an electric fence erected by a fellow in Penrith, who was upset that cats were invading his garden. It is claimed that the fence was powered by a twelve volt battery charger, I would not have thought that 12 volts would have sufficient to kill anything that size. Can be stepped up by transformer. A transformer is for stepping up/down AC not DC from a battery. I assume that the battery charger is across a 12 volt battery thus giving a 'float' charge. If this is the case, does anyone know if there is an AC element in the output? I would think not if it is rectified properly. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forthcoming reunions. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. R.N. Trafalgar Weekend Leamington Spa. Oct 10th - 13th. Plus many more |
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In article , Mike writes: | | A report in todays Mail says a cat was killed by an electric fence | erected by a fellow in Penrith, who was upset that cats were | invading his garden. | | It is claimed that the fence was powered by a twelve volt battery | charger, I would not have thought that 12 volts would have | sufficient to kill anything that size. It's the volts that jolts, but the mills (mils?) that kills. 12 volts IS enough to kill, if the contact is near-perfect, so the whole voltage goes across the heart's control organ, but it is extremely rare for it to occur. | Can be stepped up by transformer. | | A transformer is for stepping up/down AC not DC from a battery. While that is true, most things like portable fluorescent lights and battery-powered electric fences include a DC to AC convertor, so that the voltage can be transformed up. | I assume that the battery charger is across a 12 volt battery thus | giving a 'float' charge. | | If this is the case, does anyone know if there is an AC element in the | output? I would think not if it is rectified properly. There is, as smoothing is never perfect, but it should be small (to avoid battery damage). Another (very likely) possibility is that the charger was defective, and the mains supply leaked to the output. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Charlie" wrote in message = ... | I guess you read that in the Mail, where the same article describes a = puppy | that had it's ears cut off by kids using blunt scissors. I think if = they're | caught they should have their own ears cut off with blunt scissors, = see how | they like it. A few weeks ago some ducks were stoned to death by = drunk kids | on our beautiful village pond. What is it with people my age? |=20 | Charlie. |=20 ....and a Swan was kicked to death nearby (Northampton) recently - let's = chuck them in with the Lions at Whipsnade Zoo and see if they can kick = them to death too. |
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On Fri, 23 May 2003 08:32:30 +0100, "Charlie"
wrote: I guess you read that in the Mail, where the same article describes a puppy that had it's ears cut off by kids using blunt scissors. I think if they're caught they should have their own ears cut off with blunt scissors, see how they like it. A few weeks ago some ducks were stoned to death by drunk kids on our beautiful village pond. What is it with people my age? Charlie. One of my friends cat has his tail chopped off. Luckily beaver was saved by the local vet but he was never the same friendly beast again. Never went anywhere near you if he did`nt know you. I think it`s fairly safe to say that we all have some local account of some idiot who has been cruel to the animals we love and care for. Seems to me that its on the increase too. |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... In article , Marcus Fox writes "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... A report in todays Mail says a cat was killed by an electric fence erected by a fellow in Penrith, who was upset that cats were invading his garden. It is claimed that the fence was powered by a twelve volt battery charger, I would not have thought that 12 volts would have sufficient to kill anything that size. Can be stepped up by transformer. A transformer is for stepping up/down AC not DC from a battery. I assume that the battery charger is across a 12 volt battery thus giving a 'float' charge. If this is the case, does anyone know if there is an AC element in the output? I would think not if it is rectified properly. Mike You can get these transformers that allow you to use 240V AC equipment (game machines, DVDs etc.) through the cigarette lighter socket of a car! Would this be enough to kill a cat with 12 Volts? Badger |
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writes "Mike" wrote in message ... In article , Marcus Fox writes "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... A report in todays Mail says a cat was killed by an electric fence erected by a fellow in Penrith, who was upset that cats were invading his garden. It is claimed that the fence was powered by a twelve volt battery charger, I would not have thought that 12 volts would have sufficient to kill anything that size. Can be stepped up by transformer. A transformer is for stepping up/down AC not DC from a battery. I assume that the battery charger is across a 12 volt battery thus giving a 'float' charge. If this is the case, does anyone know if there is an AC element in the output? I would think not if it is rectified properly. Mike You can get these transformers that allow you to use 240V AC equipment (game machines, DVDs etc.) through the cigarette lighter socket of a car! Would this be enough to kill a cat with 12 Volts? Badger These are "inverters" not transformers. However by switching 12v dc through a coil you can produce very high voltages - as in your car ignition system. -- hugh Reply to address is valid |
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