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Another berry challenge
I was so pleased with the excellent assistance offered in my last berry
challenge here I thought I'd try my luck again ;-) Here are photos of a couple more species of berry that seem to grow locally near me - in the SW of the UK. Both appear to be edible - but I'd rather ID them before taking my chances. The first one looks like a species of Barberry - or Mahonia. Deep blue berries with a dark red flesh, ten brown seeds or so. Much smaller leaves than the normal "oregan grape", though. Delicious, though - slightly sweet. The second has larger fruit - almost an inch across. Orange - turning red when ripe. With dozens of cream seeds in a single enclosure within. Each seed has a little tuft of hair atop it - and the fruit has a big green crown where the flower used to be. The flesh has a very mild flavour. Pretty distinctive I reckon - which is a good job since my photos of this one are a bit blurry and I didn't get any foliage this time :-/ I guess that's part of what makes it a berry challenge! 4 photos in total: http://sprouting.org/garden/berries/ Thanks in advance for any assistance. -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ |
Another berry challenge
1st is Berberus or Barberry (Mahonia was once listed as Berberus aquifolium)
2nd is Rose Hip, very high in vitamin C -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
Another berry challenge
Tim, one of these days you're going to poison yourself - be carful!!
;-) Tim Tyler wrote in message ... I was so pleased with the excellent assistance offered in my last berry challenge here I thought I'd try my luck again ;-) Here are photos of a couple more species of berry that seem to grow locally near me - in the SW of the UK. Both appear to be edible - but I'd rather ID them before taking my chances. The first one looks like a species of Barberry - or Mahonia. Deep blue berries with a dark red flesh, ten brown seeds or so. Much smaller leaves than the normal "oregan grape", though. Delicious, though - slightly sweet. The second has larger fruit - almost an inch across. Orange - turning red when ripe. With dozens of cream seeds in a single enclosure within. Each seed has a little tuft of hair atop it - and the fruit has a big green crown where the flower used to be. The flesh has a very mild flavour. Pretty distinctive I reckon - which is a good job since my photos of this one are a bit blurry and I didn't get any foliage this time :-/ I guess that's part of what makes it a berry challenge! 4 photos in total: http://sprouting.org/garden/berries/ Thanks in advance for any assistance. -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ |
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David Hill wrote:
You didn't give the others much of a chance! ;-) : 1st is Berberus or Barberry (Mahonia was once listed as Berberus aquifolium) That led me to this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland...s-darwinii.jpg It looks pretty similar to me ;-) : 2nd is Rose Hip, very high in vitamin C I wouldn't have got that. There were some rose hips further down. They looked quite different. Longer and thinner - like this: http://www.wunderco.com/images/ros100_100.jpg Anyway, thanks very much! -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ |
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anne wrote:
: Tim, one of these days you're going to poison yourself - be carful!! That's what my gran says. However I figure I'm behaving with appropriate caution when it comes to exploring new foodstuffs. Fortunately not much guesswork seems to be needed - others have already explored these plants - and the collective knowledge of the folks here has proved very useful in helping identify them ;-) -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ |
Another berry challenge
In article , Tim Tyler writes
I was so pleased with the excellent assistance offered in my last berry challenge here I thought I'd try my luck again ;-) Here are photos of a couple more species of berry that seem to grow locally near me - in the SW of the UK. Both appear to be edible - but I'd rather ID them before taking my chances. You seem to have a lot more photos than the 4 promised! Not sure which you want id'ed. The first one looks like a species of Barberry - or Mahonia. The first one, which you have labelled berberis - possibly darwinii, I'd agree with. Definitely Berberis, and I think darwinii but I'm not up on berberis. The second has larger fruit - almost an inch across. Orange - turning red when ripe. With dozens of cream seeds in a single enclosure within. Each seed has a little tuft of hair atop it - and the fruit has a big green crown where the flower used to be. Is this the one you have labelled 'rose'? It's definitely rose, almost certainly Rosa rugosa. The final one is a Mahonia, but not sure which species. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Another berry challenge
In article , Tim Tyler writes
anne wrote: : Tim, one of these days you're going to poison yourself - be carful!! That's what my gran says. However I figure I'm behaving with appropriate caution when it comes to exploring new foodstuffs. You could always apply the 'fungi law' - always leave a sample of what you've tried on your plate for identification if needed ;-) -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Another berry challenge
anne wrote:
: Tim, one of these days you're going to poison yourself - be carful!! That's what my gran says. However I figure I'm behaving with appropriate caution when it comes to exploring new foodstuffs. Fortunately not much guesswork seems to be needed - others have already explored these plants - and the collective knowledge of the folks here has proved very useful in helping identify them ;-) -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ |
Another berry challenge
In article , Tim Tyler writes
I was so pleased with the excellent assistance offered in my last berry challenge here I thought I'd try my luck again ;-) Here are photos of a couple more species of berry that seem to grow locally near me - in the SW of the UK. Both appear to be edible - but I'd rather ID them before taking my chances. You seem to have a lot more photos than the 4 promised! Not sure which you want id'ed. The first one looks like a species of Barberry - or Mahonia. The first one, which you have labelled berberis - possibly darwinii, I'd agree with. Definitely Berberis, and I think darwinii but I'm not up on berberis. The second has larger fruit - almost an inch across. Orange - turning red when ripe. With dozens of cream seeds in a single enclosure within. Each seed has a little tuft of hair atop it - and the fruit has a big green crown where the flower used to be. Is this the one you have labelled 'rose'? It's definitely rose, almost certainly Rosa rugosa. The final one is a Mahonia, but not sure which species. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Another berry challenge
In article , Tim Tyler writes
anne wrote: : Tim, one of these days you're going to poison yourself - be carful!! That's what my gran says. However I figure I'm behaving with appropriate caution when it comes to exploring new foodstuffs. You could always apply the 'fungi law' - always leave a sample of what you've tried on your plate for identification if needed ;-) -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Another berry challenge
anne wrote:
: Tim, one of these days you're going to poison yourself - be carful!! That's what my gran says. However I figure I'm behaving with appropriate caution when it comes to exploring new foodstuffs. Fortunately not much guesswork seems to be needed - others have already explored these plants - and the collective knowledge of the folks here has proved very useful in helping identify them ;-) -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ |
Another berry challenge
In article , Tim Tyler writes
I was so pleased with the excellent assistance offered in my last berry challenge here I thought I'd try my luck again ;-) Here are photos of a couple more species of berry that seem to grow locally near me - in the SW of the UK. Both appear to be edible - but I'd rather ID them before taking my chances. You seem to have a lot more photos than the 4 promised! Not sure which you want id'ed. The first one looks like a species of Barberry - or Mahonia. The first one, which you have labelled berberis - possibly darwinii, I'd agree with. Definitely Berberis, and I think darwinii but I'm not up on berberis. The second has larger fruit - almost an inch across. Orange - turning red when ripe. With dozens of cream seeds in a single enclosure within. Each seed has a little tuft of hair atop it - and the fruit has a big green crown where the flower used to be. Is this the one you have labelled 'rose'? It's definitely rose, almost certainly Rosa rugosa. The final one is a Mahonia, but not sure which species. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Another berry challenge
In article , Tim Tyler writes
anne wrote: : Tim, one of these days you're going to poison yourself - be carful!! That's what my gran says. However I figure I'm behaving with appropriate caution when it comes to exploring new foodstuffs. You could always apply the 'fungi law' - always leave a sample of what you've tried on your plate for identification if needed ;-) -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , Kay Easton
writes The final one is a Mahonia, but not sure which species. Looks rather like Mahonia x media (japonica x lomariifolia, IIRC), but there's enough species in the genus to confuse the issue. It doesn't look like the photographs I have of M. russellii or M. lomariifolia. BTW, Oregon Grape, is specifically Mahonia aquifolium, not any species of the genus. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Another berry challenge
In article , Kay Easton
writes The final one is a Mahonia, but not sure which species. Looks rather like Mahonia x media (japonica x lomariifolia, IIRC), but there's enough species in the genus to confuse the issue. It doesn't look like the photographs I have of M. russellii or M. lomariifolia. BTW, Oregon Grape, is specifically Mahonia aquifolium, not any species of the genus. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
: Kay Easton writes :The final one is a Mahonia, but not sure which species. : Looks rather like Mahonia x media (japonica x lomariifolia, IIRC) [...] Could well be. I haven't seen it in the spring - so I don't know quite what the flowers look like - and that might be another helpful clue. My calling it "Oregon Grape" might well be technically wrong. However I'm close enough to reassure me about the edibility issue - which was my main reason for enquiring in the first place. -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ |
Another berry challenge
In article , Tim Tyler writes
However I'm close enough to reassure me about the edibility issue - which was my main reason for enquiring in the first place. That's not a completely reliable rule of thumb. IIRC, Physalis has both edible and highly-toxic species. I also wouldn't be surprised if some edible legumes or umbellifers had toxic close relatives. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Another berry challenge
In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley
writes In article , Tim Tyler writes However I'm close enough to reassure me about the edibility issue - which was my main reason for enquiring in the first place. That's not a completely reliable rule of thumb. IIRC, Physalis has both edible and highly-toxic species. I also wouldn't be surprised if some edible legumes or umbellifers had toxic close relatives. Yeah, but that's Solanaceae, Leguminaceae and umbeillferae - 3 families full of nasty chemicals. Bereberidaceae (Mahonia's family) doesn't have many obviously poisonous species, does it? You're right to point out that relying on relationship to an edible species isn't advisable, but it's a better rule of thumb in some families than in others. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Another berry challenge
In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley
writes In article , Tim Tyler writes However I'm close enough to reassure me about the edibility issue - which was my main reason for enquiring in the first place. That's not a completely reliable rule of thumb. IIRC, Physalis has both edible and highly-toxic species. I also wouldn't be surprised if some edible legumes or umbellifers had toxic close relatives. Yeah, but that's Solanaceae, Leguminaceae and umbeillferae - 3 families full of nasty chemicals. Bereberidaceae (Mahonia's family) doesn't have many obviously poisonous species, does it? You're right to point out that relying on relationship to an edible species isn't advisable, but it's a better rule of thumb in some families than in others. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Another berry challenge
In article , Kay Easton
writes Yeah, but that's Solanaceae, Leguminaceae and umbeillferae - 3 families full of nasty chemicals. Bereberidaceae (Mahonia's family) doesn't have many obviously poisonous species, does it? Podyphyllum peltatum http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/c...on/Podoppe.htm You're right to point out that relying on relationship to an edible species isn't advisable, but it's a better rule of thumb in some families than in others. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Another berry challenge
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
: Kay Easton writes :Yeah, but that's Solanaceae, Leguminaceae and umbeillferae - 3 families :full of nasty chemicals. Bereberidaceae (Mahonia's family) doesn't have :many obviously poisonous species, does it? : Podyphyllum peltatum : http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/c...on/Podoppe.htm That may be a relative of some of the plants I photographed - but it sure doesn't look like a very close one - and even there they say the ripe fruit is edible ;-) -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ |
Another berry challenge
In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley
writes In article , Kay Easton writes Yeah, but that's Solanaceae, Leguminaceae and umbeillferae - 3 families full of nasty chemicals. Bereberidaceae (Mahonia's family) doesn't have many obviously poisonous species, does it? Podyphyllum peltatum http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/c...on/Podoppe.htm Hey - I've got some seeds of that :-) -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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from Stewart Robert Hinsley contains these words: That's not a completely reliable rule of thumb. IIRC, Physalis has both edible and highly-toxic species. I also wouldn't be surprised if some edible legumes or umbellifers had toxic close relatives. They both do, more especially umbellifers. -- Rusty http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm horrid·squeak snailything zetnet·co·uk excange d.p. with p to reply. |
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