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Aileen Howard 09-08-2003 04:32 PM

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Hi all

I went out to the patio at the bottom of the garden a couple of hours ago to
see something about 3 or 4 inches long, about half an inch in diameter, dark
brown in colour, with a segmented body, heading for the soil. I've never
seen one before (and don't want to again) so has anyone any idea what it
could be please? I've 'googled' for slow worms and it isn't one of those.

Regards, Aileen



Rusty Hinge 09-08-2003 10:13 PM

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Hi all


I went out to the patio at the bottom of the garden a couple of hours ago to
see something about 3 or 4 inches long, about half an inch in diameter, dark
brown in colour, with a segmented body, heading for the soil. I've never
seen one before (and don't want to again) so has anyone any idea what it
could be please? I've 'googled' for slow worms and it isn't one of those.


Certainly not a slow-worm. Any more dscription? Did it have legs? How
fast did it move? Did it seem to have a separate head? By segmented, do
you mean worm-like or insect-like?

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Nick Maclaren 09-08-2003 10:13 PM

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In article ,
Aileen Howard wrote:

I went out to the patio at the bottom of the garden a couple of hours ago to
see something about 3 or 4 inches long, about half an inch in diameter, dark
brown in colour, with a segmented body, heading for the soil. I've never
seen one before (and don't want to again) so has anyone any idea what it
could be please? I've 'googled' for slow worms and it isn't one of those.


With legs? If so, a millipede. While they can damage seedlings etc.,
they don't occur in large numbers and are best regarded as interesting
and to be ignored.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

David Hill 09-08-2003 11:32 PM

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$ inch long Millipede in UK?
I would have thought that it was a caterpillar of one of the Hawk moths,

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Rusty Hinge 09-08-2003 11:32 PM

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The message
from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:

In article ,
Aileen Howard wrote:

I went out to the patio at the bottom of the garden a couple of hours
ago to
see something about 3 or 4 inches long, about half an inch in
diameter, dark
brown in colour, with a segmented body, heading for the soil. I've never
seen one before (and don't want to again) so has anyone any idea what it
could be please? I've 'googled' for slow worms and it isn't one of those.


With legs? If so, a millipede. While they can damage seedlings etc.,
they don't occur in large numbers and are best regarded as interesting
and to be ignored.


You've got fat millipedes Nick - ½" in diameter?

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Anne Jackson 10-08-2003 01:03 AM

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$ inch long Millipede in UK?
I would have thought that it was a caterpillar of one of the Hawk moths,


You can get all sorts of exotic millipedes as pets these days....perhaps
someone's pet escaped?

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Aileen Howard 10-08-2003 10:03 AM

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Thanks to all of you for the replies - it was segmented as in an
armadillo! - and moved not on legs, but by peristalsis? Hope it isn't an
escaped pet and is just a baby, we do have a pet shop about half a mile away
which sells all sorts of scary things (scary to me, anyway).

Aileen

"Anne Jackson" wrote in message
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The message
from "David Hill" contains these
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$ inch long Millipede in UK?
I would have thought that it was a caterpillar of one of the Hawk moths,


You can get all sorts of exotic millipedes as pets these days....perhaps
someone's pet escaped?

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AnneJ
ICQ #:- 119531282







Matt 10-08-2003 10:22 AM

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"Aileen Howard" wrote in message
...
Thanks to all of you for the replies - it was segmented as in an
armadillo! - and moved not on legs, but by peristalsis? Hope it isn't an
escaped pet and is just a baby, we do have a pet shop about half a mile

away
which sells all sorts of scary things (scary to me, anyway).

I suspect it was a hawkmoth chrysalis. I have seen them before and they can
move independently. It had probably been disturbed and was heading back to
the soil to pupate.


Matt


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Nick Maclaren 10-08-2003 11:42 AM

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In article ,
Rusty Hinge wrote:

You've got fat millipedes Nick - ½" in diameter?


Er, yes. The weather had confused me into thinking this was
somewhere else :-)

David Hill is probably right.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Aileen Howard 10-08-2003 03:14 PM

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Thanks for the replies, I think it probably was a disturbed hawkmoth
chrysalis, having been 'googling' at 'orrible things on the Net. Our
neighbour's old apple tree overhangs our patio at the bottom of the garden,
and they never pick the fruit, which falls off onto our side. Because they
don't do anything to care for the tree, the apples are always diseased and
we throw them away. My guess is that as one of the bigger apples fell
through the branches, it dislodged the pupa, which fell onto the crazy
paving and was making for the soil when I happened to see it.

All I can say is that if that is the size of the pupa, I hope I don't
encounter the moth when it emerges!!

Best regards to all who were kind enough to reply,

Aileen
"Matt" wrote in message
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"Aileen Howard" wrote in message
...
Thanks to all of you for the replies - it was segmented as in an
armadillo! - and moved not on legs, but by peristalsis? Hope it isn't

an
escaped pet and is just a baby, we do have a pet shop about half a mile

away
which sells all sorts of scary things (scary to me, anyway).

I suspect it was a hawkmoth chrysalis. I have seen them before and they

can
move independently. It had probably been disturbed and was heading back to
the soil to pupate.


Matt


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Nick Maclaren 10-08-2003 04:22 PM

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In article ,
Aileen Howard wrote:
Thanks for the replies, I think it probably was a disturbed hawkmoth
chrysalis, having been 'googling' at 'orrible things on the Net. Our
neighbour's old apple tree overhangs our patio at the bottom of the garden,
and they never pick the fruit, which falls off onto our side. Because they
don't do anything to care for the tree, the apples are always diseased and
we throw them away. My guess is that as one of the bigger apples fell
through the branches, it dislodged the pupa, which fell onto the crazy
paving and was making for the soil when I happened to see it.


The legs on a millipede are very obvious, and that could only be
a tropical one - even then, 4" is a bit short for 1/2" diameter.

All I can say is that if that is the size of the pupa, I hope I don't
encounter the moth when it emerges!!


My daughter came to me saying "There is a moth the size of a sparrow
in my room". Nah. Only a wren :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Rod 10-08-2003 06:33 PM

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"Aileen Howard" wrote in message ...
Thanks for the replies, I think it probably was a disturbed hawkmoth
chrysalis, having been 'googling' at 'orrible things on the Net. Our
neighbour's old apple tree overhangs our patio at the bottom of the garden,
and they never pick the fruit, which falls off onto our side. Because they
don't do anything to care for the tree, the apples are always diseased and
we throw them away. My guess is that as one of the bigger apples fell
through the branches, it dislodged the pupa, which fell onto the crazy
paving and was making for the soil when I happened to see it.

All I can say is that if that is the size of the pupa, I hope I don't
encounter the moth when it emerges!!

Well actually it's quite beautiful - not at all scary.

Rod



Rusty Hinge 10-08-2003 07:32 PM

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In article ,
Rusty Hinge wrote:

You've got fat millipedes Nick - ½" in diameter?


Er, yes. The weather had confused me into thinking this was
somewhere else :-)


Cooo! Oooo-er! It's got legs?

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Rusty Hinge 10-08-2003 07:32 PM

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from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:

My daughter came to me saying "There is a moth the size of a sparrow
in my room". Nah. Only a wren :-)


I have a pair of wrens nesting in my front hedge (lonicera) at the
moment. There was another pair in the ivy which I've left for just that
purpose at the lower half of a big lilac, and another pair nested in a
huge 'lollipop' of varigated elephant-ears ivy outside the thunderbox.

There was a pair of goldcrests mousing about at the bottom of the garden.

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Helen 11-08-2003 06:08 AM

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Speaking as someone with an obsessive interest in butterflies and
moths I would like to say this that firstly, crysalises DO NOT
WALK!!!!They can not walk. The description of what you saw matches the
adult caterpillar of a Large Elephant Hawk Moth. It would have been
walking to soil in order to bury itself and pupate. The moth that will
eventually hatch is one of the most beautiful in this country - bright
cerise pink and green. You are priviledged.

Helen

Helen 11-08-2003 06:08 AM

Unknown creepy crawlie
 
Speaking as someone with an obsessive interest in butterflies and
moths I would like to say this that firstly, crysalises DO NOT
WALK!!!!They can not walk. The description of what you saw matches the
adult caterpillar of a Large Elephant Hawk Moth. It would have been
walking to soil in order to bury itself and pupate. The moth that will
eventually hatch is one of the most beautiful in this country - bright
cerise pink and green. You are priviledged.

Helen

Helen 11-08-2003 06:08 AM

Unknown creepy crawlie
 
Speaking as someone with an obsessive interest in butterflies and
moths I would like to say this that firstly, crysalises DO NOT
WALK!!!!They can not walk. The description of what you saw matches the
adult caterpillar of a Large Elephant Hawk Moth. It would have been
walking to soil in order to bury itself and pupate. The moth that will
eventually hatch is one of the most beautiful in this country - bright
cerise pink and green. You are priviledged.

Helen

Helen 11-08-2003 06:09 AM

Unknown creepy crawlie
 
Speaking as someone with an obsessive interest in butterflies and
moths I would like to say this that firstly, crysalises DO NOT
WALK!!!!They can not walk. The description of what you saw matches the
adult caterpillar of a Large Elephant Hawk Moth. It would have been
walking to soil in order to bury itself and pupate. The moth that will
eventually hatch is one of the most beautiful in this country - bright
cerise pink and green. You are priviledged.

Helen

Helen 11-08-2003 06:11 AM

Unknown creepy crawlie
 
Speaking as someone with an obsessive interest in butterflies and
moths I would like to say this that firstly, crysalises DO NOT
WALK!!!!They can not walk. The description of what you saw matches the
adult caterpillar of a Large Elephant Hawk Moth. It would have been
walking to soil in order to bury itself and pupate. The moth that will
eventually hatch is one of the most beautiful in this country - bright
cerise pink and green. You are priviledged.

Helen

Aileen Howard 11-08-2003 06:42 AM

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Thanks to Helen for a comprehensive and interesting reply. I shall now
*try* to look forward to seeing the mature version (the moth), but I am a
bit phobic about some things:-(

Regards, Aileen

"Helen" wrote in message
om...
Speaking as someone with an obsessive interest in butterflies and
moths I would like to say this that firstly, crysalises DO NOT
WALK!!!!They can not walk. The description of what you saw matches the
adult caterpillar of a Large Elephant Hawk Moth. It would have been
walking to soil in order to bury itself and pupate. The moth that will
eventually hatch is one of the most beautiful in this country - bright
cerise pink and green. You are priviledged.

Helen




Matt 11-08-2003 12:12 PM

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"Helen" wrote in message
om...
, crysalises DO NOT
WALK!!!!They can not walk.


Well they can't walk coz they don't have legs, but they can move by
wriggling, I know Because I have seen them do so.

Matt


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Rusty Hinge 12-08-2003 01:15 AM

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from "Aileen Howard" contains these words:

Thanks to Helen for a comprehensive and interesting reply. I shall now
*try* to look forward to seeing the mature version (the moth), but I am a
bit phobic about some things:-(


No need to be: just think nice pretty harmless aeroplane - with legs.

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Aileen Howard 12-08-2003 08:03 AM

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Not sure that will help! But thanks;)

Aileen

"Rusty Hinge" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Aileen Howard" contains these words:

Thanks to Helen for a comprehensive and interesting reply. I shall now
*try* to look forward to seeing the mature version (the moth), but I am

a
bit phobic about some things:-(


No need to be: just think nice pretty harmless aeroplane - with legs.

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