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Hi,
My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. Ta PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely is not an option |
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stoneysteve wrote in
s.com: Hi, My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. Most trees will either take a while to reach that height, or you will have to keep cutting them back later on. A tall shrub might be better, or perhaps a bamboo? What about Leycesteria formosa, the pheasantberry? That gets to about 8 feet in my garden, and is very dense. The bees and birds love it, and it's very attractive and fastgrowing (though the berries can make a bit of a mess). Those pencil-thin cyprus you get are probably too narrow: you'd just accentuate the problem by sticking a line through it. A climber on an obelisk or an arch might be another nice solution. One of the (mostly) evergreen honeysuckles, perhaps? How much space do you have? Is it dark or sunny? What is the soil like? Victoria |
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The spot in question is along the west fence in a south facing garden. There is no other planting in the area. I'm not sure what the soil is like as it is a new development(lots of rubble I'd guess)
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"stoneysteve" wrote in message s.com... Hi, My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. Ta PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely is not an option It would sound as if the judicious use of an airgun or a catapult might be to the point. Franz |
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"stoneysteve" wrote in message
s.com... Hi, My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. Ta PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely is not an option Since you've asked an airgun is prob out of the q as you would be the first suspect. If its close enough, a quick squirt from one of those kids water soaker pistols might break it since the bulbs get v hot and a splash of cold water might breka it (just a guess). Otherwise, plant a leylandii or two as close as you can, best bet for rapid growth. -- Tumbleweed Remove theobvious before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ...
"stoneysteve" wrote in message s.com... Hi, My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. Ta PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely is not an option It would sound as if the judicious use of an airgun or a catapult might be to the point. Count my vote for the ballistic approach. But you might perhaps get the idiot to see that those things are the skilled intruder's dream: you can't see a thing going on beyond the light, but they can still see when you've gone out, or to bed. Mike. |
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Sacha wrote in message ... in article , Franz Heymann at wrote on 27/8/03 3:48 pm: "stoneysteve" wrote in message s.com... Hi, My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. I would suggest a silvered screen of some sort which will reflect the light *back* into his eyes, house, garden, bedroom etc. and THEN plant the hedge. -- Clever, but the sophisticate would suggest a concave mirror. Archimedes? Ships? Syracuse? Anybody? ; ) Liz |
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from stoneysteve contains these words: Hi, My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. Ta PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely is not an option Try asking your local council's advice; perhaps he's offending local bylaws. Or look carefully in your house deeds. In a new housing development, you might find there are useful restrictions on what degrees of nuisance neighbours may inflict on each other. You'd need an evergreen tree since the light will be on longest in winter; perhaps either a conifer or holly. Holly would take several years to reach a useful size for your needs; leylandii cypress could do it much faster. You could also ask him to fit a much smaller halogen bulb. Janet. |
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"Tumbleweed" wrote in message . .. "stoneysteve" wrote in message s.com... Hi, My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. Ta PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely is not an option Since you've asked an airgun is prob out of the q as you would be the first suspect. If its close enough, a quick squirt from one of those kids water soaker pistols might break it since the bulbs get v hot and a splash of cold water might breka it (just a guess). Otherwise, plant a leylandii or two as close as you can, best bet for rapid growth. More seriously than my previous suggestion to use an airgun or a catapult, Sacha has the best suggestion so far. It should be easy to make a 3ft square mirror by fixing a silvered plastic sheet on a wooden frame and mount the whole very carefully to reflect his own light somewhere where it will cause maximum annoyance to him. I did it to a neighbour who was being unhelpful, and the lamp is no longer switched on. Luckily they had a bedroom window facing in the right direction. Franz |
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"stoneysteve" wrote in message s.com... Hi, My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. Ta PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely is not an option -- stoneysteve ------------------------------------------------------------------------ posted via www.GardenBanter.co.uk Much though i loathe Leylandi it would seem that in this instance its definitely your best bet I suggest you gently tell him that if he refuses to be reasonable then you will plant Leylandi and you will not reduce their height ...........you might need to put it in writing and even copy it to your councils Environmental Health Officer if as I suspect they tell you theres nothing they can do You should be able to get some pretty tall container grown Leylandii if you check nurseries etc |
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"Liz" wrote in message ... Sacha wrote in message ... in article , Franz Heymann at wrote on 27/8/03 3:48 pm: "stoneysteve" wrote in message s.com... Hi, My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. I would suggest a silvered screen of some sort which will reflect the light *back* into his eyes, house, garden, bedroom etc. and THEN plant the hedge. -- Clever, but the sophisticate would suggest a concave mirror. Archimedes? Ships? Syracuse? Anybody? On the contrary, that would not have the desired effect. The recipient would see nothing if the he/she stood outside the focussed beam, and the lamp does not produce enough radiant energy to allow a focussed beam to set fire to the neighbour. {:-)) Franz |
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bnd777 wrote: "stoneysteve" wrote in message ws.com... My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely is not an option Much though i loathe Leylandi it would seem that in this instance its definitely your best bet Perhaps. But only if the noisesome neighbour is to the NORTH. If to the south, the cure will be worse than the disease. I suggest you gently tell him that if he refuses to be reasonable then you will plant Leylandi and you will not reduce their height ...........you might need to put it in writing and even copy it to your councils Environmental Health Officer if as I suspect they tell you theres nothing they can do I would strongly advise doing nothing of the sort! Documenting what could be classed as revenge planting is NOT a good idea. Yes, plant them, but say that their purpose is for screening out the light. Listen politely to requests for lopping them and ignore them. When the neighbour is sufficiently disturbed, say you will remove them if he signs a contract not to use a floodlight. And get a solicitor to phrase the contract, and make sure that it is part of the deeds! I am not a lawyer, but am pretty sure that is the correct approach. You should be able to get some pretty tall container grown Leylandii if you check nurseries etc You can. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , bnd777 wrote: "stoneysteve" wrote in message ws.com... My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely is not an option Much though i loathe Leylandi it would seem that in this instance its definitely your best bet Perhaps. But only if the noisesome neighbour is to the NORTH. If to the south, the cure will be worse than the disease. I suggest you gently tell him that if he refuses to be reasonable then you will plant Leylandi and you will not reduce their height ...........you might need to put it in writing and even copy it to your councils Environmental Health Officer if as I suspect they tell you theres nothing they can do I would strongly advise doing nothing of the sort! Documenting what could be classed as revenge planting is NOT a good idea. Yes, plant them, but say that their purpose is for screening out the light. Listen politely to requests for lopping them and ignore them. When the neighbour is sufficiently disturbed, say you will remove them if he signs a contract not to use a floodlight. And get a solicitor to phrase the contract, and make sure that it is part of the deeds! I am not a lawyer, but am pretty sure that is the correct approach. Nothing in writing. No connection or contact with the Council or Police. No letters from Solicitors. No mirrors to reflect/direct back the light. BECAUSE, when you come to sell your house, (assuming you are owner occupier) then these disputes have to be recorded and mentioned in future searches :-(( Just go ahead and plant Leylandi. Say nothing to anyone until you are asked to trim. Hope that helps. |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:44:19 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "Liz" wrote in message ... Sacha wrote in message ... in article , Franz Heymann at wrote on 27/8/03 3:48 pm: "stoneysteve" wrote in message s.com... Hi, My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. I would suggest a silvered screen of some sort which will reflect the light *back* into his eyes, house, garden, bedroom etc. and THEN plant the hedge. -- Clever, but the sophisticate would suggest a concave mirror. Archimedes? Ships? Syracuse? Anybody? On the contrary, that would not have the desired effect. The recipient would see nothing if the he/she stood outside the focussed beam, and the lamp does not produce enough radiant energy to allow a focussed beam to set fire to the neighbour. {:-)) It depends on the optics of the mirror and it's alignment with the sun. It was stray light guv. 'onest. :-) -- Martin |
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"martin" wrote in message ... On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:44:19 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Liz" wrote in message ... Sacha wrote in message ... in article , Franz Heymann at wrote on 27/8/03 3:48 pm: "stoneysteve" wrote in message s.com... Hi, My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. I would suggest a silvered screen of some sort which will reflect the light *back* into his eyes, house, garden, bedroom etc. and THEN plant the hedge. -- Clever, but the sophisticate would suggest a concave mirror. Archimedes? Ships? Syracuse? Anybody? On the contrary, that would not have the desired effect. The recipient would see nothing if the he/she stood outside the focussed beam, and the lamp does not produce enough radiant energy to allow a focussed beam to set fire to the neighbour. {:-)) It depends on the optics of the mirror and it's alignment with the sun. It was stray light guv. 'onest. :-) we were talking about reflecting his lamplight, not the sunlight. {:-(( I once visited an Indian village where the women were preparing alfresco meals by using sunlight focussed via a 1m diameter concave mirrors on to the pots. The number of burnt hands were legion. Franz -- Martin |
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stoneysteve wrote in
s.com: The spot in question is along the west fence in a south facing garden. There is no other planting in the area. I'm not sure what the soil is like as it is a new development(lots of rubble I'd guess) In that case you might need to enrich the soil a bit before planting, to ensure what you plant shoots up quickly to the right height. Suggest you get a bag of well-rotted manure and dig it in all round that area before you plant. Is the light a problem all year round, or just on summer evenings? If all year round, I think an evergreen honeysuckle on some sort of structure would do the best job - maybe even a trellis mounted on top of the fence? If it's a brand new garden, it's probably not all that huge, and you don't want something too wide eating up your space because of one annoying neighbour. If it's on the West of the garden, you don't want it blocking out the evening sun either. I personally would ignore the 'reflector' and 'airgun' suggestions above. ****ing off your neighbours, however infuriating, is a mug's game. On a new development they may well decide to move on in a year or so anyway. But if you might need to move first, you don't want *anything* that might have to be reported to a prospective buyer as a dispute. Victoria -- gardening on a north-facing hill in South-East Cornwall -- |
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In article . 11, Victoria Clare writes: | | I personally would ignore the 'reflector' and 'airgun' suggestions above. | ****ing off your neighbours, however infuriating, is a mug's game. On a new | development they may well decide to move on in a year or so anyway. But if | you might need to move first, you don't want *anything* that might have to | be reported to a prospective buyer as a dispute. I definitely would! The reflector solution could well get you sued, and the airgun one could well get you a prison term and a criminal conviction that might not time out. It probably wouldn't, being a very minor 'firearms' offence, but there is some unbelievable knee-jerk legislation around and we all know how moronic our Lords and Masters are. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:12:21 GMT, stoneysteve wrote:
My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. Ta PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely is not an option After reading all the suggestions for revenge a la Leylandii and revenge a la miroir, I wondered why you don't just follow your neighbor's *excellent* example, instal your own "retina burner" -- after all it's s-u-c-h a good idea! -- carefully sited to shine in bedroom windows and such. Dispute? What dispute? -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article . 11, Victoria Clare writes: | | I personally would ignore the 'reflector' and 'airgun' suggestions above. | ****ing off your neighbours, however infuriating, is a mug's game. On a new | development they may well decide to move on in a year or so anyway. But if | you might need to move first, you don't want *anything* that might have to | be reported to a prospective buyer as a dispute. I definitely would! The reflector solution could well get you sued, Surely not! After all, you are genuinely simply throwing back over the boundary unwanted photons belonging to him which he threw over the boundary to you without asking you. Franz and the airgun one could well get you a prison term and a criminal conviction that might not time out. It probably wouldn't, being a very minor 'firearms' offence, but there is some unbelievable knee-jerk legislation around and we all know how moronic our Lords and Masters are. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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In article , "Franz Heymann" writes: | | I definitely would! The reflector solution could well get you | sued, | | Surely not! After all, you are genuinely simply throwing back over the | boundary unwanted photons belonging to him which he threw over the boundary | to you without asking you. You clearly aren't a lawyer. The courts MIGHT swallow that argument, but you would first have to explain to the judge what a photon was, and perhaps even the concept that light moves rather than just is. It is far more likely that a court would decide on the basis of whether installing a light or installing a reflector were a more reasonable thing to do. God alone knows what one would decide. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Rodger Whitlock" wrote in message ... On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:12:21 GMT, stoneysteve wrote: My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. Ta PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely is not an option After reading all the suggestions for revenge a la Leylandii and revenge a la miroir, I wondered why you don't just follow your neighbor's *excellent* example, instal your own "retina burner" -- after all it's s-u-c-h a good idea! -- carefully sited to shine in bedroom windows and such. Dispute? What dispute? Now why has nobody come up with this until now? And while you are about it, you might as well look out for a more powerful lamp than your neighbour's. This would seem to be a case where keeping up with the Joneses would be laudable. Franz |
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ...
[...] I once visited an Indian village where the women were preparing alfresco meals by using sunlight focussed via a 1m diameter concave mirrors on to the pots. The number of burnt hands were legion. That's interesting: I'd heard about these projects, but never found out how they worked out. OT, I know; but was it successful, in the sense that they carried on doing it after the experimental period? I heard that there was a problem in that people most needed energy for cooking late in the day when there was little or no sun. Mike. |
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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message om... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... [...] I once visited an Indian village where the women were preparing alfresco meals by using sunlight focussed via a 1m diameter concave mirrors on to the pots. The number of burnt hands were legion. That's interesting: I'd heard about these projects, but never found out how they worked out. OT, I know; but was it successful, in the sense that they carried on doing it after the experimental period? I heard that there was a problem in that people most needed energy for cooking late in the day when there was little or no sun. My colleagues at Poona told me that the project eventually had to be abandoned, as it turned out to be simply too dangerous. And yes, you could not prepare cooked food during the monsoon and in the evenings. Franz |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
... In article . 11, Victoria Clare writes: | | I personally would ignore the 'reflector' and 'airgun' suggestions above. | ****ing off your neighbours, however infuriating, is a mug's game. On a new | development they may well decide to move on in a year or so anyway. But if | you might need to move first, you don't want *anything* that might have to | be reported to a prospective buyer as a dispute. I definitely would! The reflector solution could well get you sued, and the airgun one could well get you a prison term and a criminal conviction that might not time out. It probably wouldn't, being a very minor 'firearms' offence, but there is some unbelievable knee-jerk legislation around and we all know how moronic our Lords and Masters are. How could a reflector get you sued, its essentially no different to a light?! IF the reflector is a nuisance then the light must be even more so. -- Tumbleweed Remove theobvious before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
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In article ,
Tumbleweed wrote: I definitely would! The reflector solution could well get you sued, and the airgun one could well get you a prison term and a criminal conviction that might not time out. It probably wouldn't, being a very minor 'firearms' offence, but there is some unbelievable knee-jerk legislation around and we all know how moronic our Lords and Masters are. How could a reflector get you sued, its essentially no different to a light?! IF the reflector is a nuisance then the light must be even more so. You are thinking rationally and not like a lawyer. One way that you could lose such a case is if the court decided that the purpose of the light was to deter burglars and the purpose of the reflector was to annoy the owner of the light. More generally, "passive" developments can be nuisances, even when directed against a nuisance. You aren't allowed to build a dam to block agricultural runoff from draining into a drainage ditch that runs through your property, for example. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Rodger Whitlock" wrote in message ... On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:12:21 GMT, stoneysteve wrote: My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this purpose. Ta PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely is not an option After reading all the suggestions for revenge a la Leylandii and revenge a la miroir, I wondered why you don't just follow your neighbor's *excellent* example, instal your own "retina burner" -- after all it's s-u-c-h a good idea! -- carefully sited to shine in bedroom windows and such. Dispute? What dispute? Now why has nobody come up with this until now? And while you are about it, you might as well look out for a more powerful lamp than your neighbour's. This would seem to be a case where keeping up with the Joneses would be laudable. Franz Brilliant idea |
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