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Kev Pearce 03-09-2003 09:12 AM

Laurel Trees
 
I have a row of Laurel trees at the bottom of the garden, which have
produced round black berries for the first time since I moved in 3 years
ago.

My mother-in-law has informed me that the berries are highly toxic.

With two young kids (1 and 3 years old) I am now afraid that they could do
themselves some serious harm.

Can anyone advise on how toxic the berries (and perhaps even the leaves)
are, what the signs are, and if any First Aid is recommended.

Thanks in advance for any help



Ron Clark 03-09-2003 11:12 AM

Laurel Trees
 
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:02:03 +0100, "Kev Pearce"
wrote:

I have a row of Laurel trees at the bottom of the garden, which have
produced round black berries for the first time since I moved in 3 years
ago.

My mother-in-law has informed me that the berries are highly toxic.

With two young kids (1 and 3 years old) I am now afraid that they could do
themselves some serious harm.

Can anyone advise on how toxic the berries (and perhaps even the leaves)
are, what the signs are, and if any First Aid is recommended.


All parts of the laurel are poisonous, especially the berries

Search Google for Laurel+berries+toxic, tons of references

(Don't forget privet, yew and laburnum either!)

A dangerous place, a garden 8-(


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Kay Easton 03-09-2003 12:22 PM

Laurel Trees
 
In article , Kev
Pearce writes
I have a row of Laurel trees at the bottom of the garden, which have
produced round black berries for the first time since I moved in 3 years
ago.

My mother-in-law has informed me that the berries are highly toxic.

With two young kids (1 and 3 years old) I am now afraid that they could do
themselves some serious harm.

Can anyone advise on how toxic the berries (and perhaps even the leaves)
are, what the signs are, and if any First Aid is recommended.

The berries and leaves (and probably other parts) are toxic - the agent
involved is basically cyanide, which is contained in many of the Prunus
(cherry stones, almonds etc). The leaves used to be used crushed in
killing jars for butterfly collection.

That said, it is unlikely to be the only toxic plants in your garden -
lily of the valley, honeysuckle AFAIK both have poisonous berries. You
are unlikely to be able to rid your garden of poisonous things.

The most important thing is to teach your children that they should eat
*nothing* from the garden without showing it to mum or dad first. To
rely on making your garden safe without teaching them plants can be
dangerous is to put your children in danger when they go into friends
gardens, public parts or the countryside.

Agreed, your one year old can't be expected to learn this reliably just
yet - but equally, you won't be letting him/her play unsupervised
outside.

In the meantime, it is very unlikely that the children will eat the
leaves of the laurel, and you can prevent it from having berries simply
by removing the flowers when they are over.

In a few years time you need not bother any more, if you have trained
your children in the dangers. I spent many happy childhood days playing
in a berry-festooned laurel tree in my parents garden, and watching the
colour changes as the berries ripened was another contribution to my
current love of plants.

I can also remember waiting for a home visit from the GP when I was in
bed with measles or something, and my mother advising me to remove my
bedside flower arrangement of woody nightshade berries in case the
doctor jumped to some wrong conclusions ;-)

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Kev Pearce 03-09-2003 12:32 PM

Laurel Trees
 
Thanks both Ron and Kay for your replies.
Good advice, and the teaching process starts here !

"Kev Pearce" wrote in message
...
I have a row of Laurel trees at the bottom of the garden, which have
produced round black berries for the first time since I moved in 3 years
ago.

My mother-in-law has informed me that the berries are highly toxic.

With two young kids (1 and 3 years old) I am now afraid that they could do
themselves some serious harm.

Can anyone advise on how toxic the berries (and perhaps even the leaves)
are, what the signs are, and if any First Aid is recommended.

Thanks in advance for any help





Nick Maclaren 03-09-2003 01:02 PM

Laurel Trees
 

In article ,
"Kev Pearce" writes:
| Thanks both Ron and Kay for your replies.
| Good advice, and the teaching process starts here !

A chilli plant could be a useful teaching aid for the one year old.
Leave it at ground level, say "NO" firmly, and do nothing to stop
the child from eating a fruit ....

I follow the child rearing school of the late Professor Pavlov :-)

Also, it is essential not to say "no" to everything, or they will
stop asking. There is no need to forbid anything that isn't
dangerous, and saying "don't eat that - but this is OK" is a
lot more effective.


A slightly irrelevant story. My daughter copied me in telling a
drunken (teenage) friend of hers that japonica fruit is edible.
Which is, of course, true. Apparently, the shock of biting into
one got through even his inebriation!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Franz Heymann 03-09-2003 03:22 PM

Laurel Trees
 

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Kev Pearce" writes:
| Thanks both Ron and Kay for your replies.
| Good advice, and the teaching process starts here !

A chilli plant could be a useful teaching aid for the one year old.
Leave it at ground level, say "NO" firmly, and do nothing to stop
the child from eating a fruit ....

I follow the child rearing school of the late Professor Pavlov :-)

Also, it is essential not to say "no" to everything, or they will
stop asking. There is no need to forbid anything that isn't
dangerous, and saying "don't eat that - but this is OK" is a
lot more effective.


A slightly irrelevant story. My daughter copied me in telling a
drunken (teenage) friend of hers that japonica fruit is edible.
Which is, of course, true. Apparently, the shock of biting into
one got through even his inebriation!


At my old school there was a dual-purpose row of quinces. Real quinces, not
japonicas. The teachers used them as a source of sticks for caning purposes
and we used them for the fruit, which we surreptitiously fermented into a
potable, if sour, alcoholic drink.

Franz



Mike Lyle 03-09-2003 09:03 PM

Laurel Trees
 
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ...
[...]
At my old school there was a dual-purpose row of quinces. Real quinces, not
japonicas. The teachers used them as a source of sticks for caning purposes
and we used them for the fruit, which we surreptitiously fermented into a
potable, if sour, alcoholic drink.


Our housemasters beamed benignly when we made ginger beer: as you've
guessed, they weren't biology masters!

Mike.

Rusty Hinge 03-09-2003 09:12 PM

Laurel Trees
 
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I can also remember waiting for a home visit from the GP when I was in
bed with measles or something, and my mother advising me to remove my
bedside flower arrangement of woody nightshade berries in case the
doctor jumped to some wrong conclusions ;-)


I have some packs in the freezer marked 'Nightshade'.

I make nightshade tarts, nightshade pies and nightshade jam. But before
you rush out and plunder some woody nightshade vines, let me first
whisper in your ear 'black nightshade'.

The plant is about as poisonous as a tomato plant, and the green berries
are about as deadly as green tomatoes, though I've never been tempted to
make green nightshade chutney.

When the berries are ripe they are perfectly edible, and are sweetish
and refreshing. Apart from the size of the plants and their fruits, I
can see no difference between black nightshade and 'garden
huckleberries', nor taste any.

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Rusty Hinge 03-09-2003 09:12 PM

Laurel Trees
 
The message
from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:

A slightly irrelevant story. My daughter copied me in telling a
drunken (teenage) friend of hers that japonica fruit is edible.
Which is, of course, true. Apparently, the shock of biting into
one got through even his inebriation!


I have a japanese quince which bears large fruit (and I'm just about to
acquire one which carries the smaller yellow ones). Sliced and tied up
in a muslin bag and cooked with apples, the quinces impart a delicious
flavour. Beats cloves any day.

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Kay Easton 03-09-2003 09:32 PM

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In article , Rusty Hinge
writes

The plant is about as poisonous as a tomato plant, and the green berries
are about as deadly as green tomatoes, though I've never been tempted to
make green nightshade chutney.

When the berries are ripe they are perfectly edible, and are sweetish
and refreshing. Apart from the size of the plants and their fruits, I
can see no difference between black nightshade and 'garden
huckleberries', nor taste any.

IIRC there are two different plants commonly called huckleberry, and one
of them is indeed black nightshade or a variety of it. I grew it once,
but wasn't particularly enamoured of it. There's much nicer berries
around.

Both black nightshade and woody nightshade are Solanum, and isn't
Solanum melongela the aubergine?

Tomato is Lycopersicum esculentum, but I've completely forgotten what
the potato is.
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Rusty Hinge 04-09-2003 09:15 AM

Laurel Trees
 
The message
from (Mike Lyle) contains these words:
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...
[...]
At my old school there was a dual-purpose row of quinces. Real
quinces, not
japonicas. The teachers used them as a source of sticks for caning
purposes
and we used them for the fruit, which we surreptitiously fermented into a
potable, if sour, alcoholic drink.


Our housemasters beamed benignly when we made ginger beer: as you've
guessed, they weren't biology masters!


I don't think they ever knew about mine - I was making dandelion wine
and parsnip wine when I was ten.

We used to roll cherry leaves into cigars and have dissolute nights
camping out on the lawn in the summer, smoking vile weeds, drinking fine
wines and munching on ransoms bulbs.

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Rusty Hinge 04-09-2003 09:15 AM

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The message
from (Mike Lyle) contains these words:
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...
[...]
At my old school there was a dual-purpose row of quinces. Real
quinces, not
japonicas. The teachers used them as a source of sticks for caning
purposes
and we used them for the fruit, which we surreptitiously fermented into a
potable, if sour, alcoholic drink.


Our housemasters beamed benignly when we made ginger beer: as you've
guessed, they weren't biology masters!


I don't think they ever knew about mine - I was making dandelion wine
and parsnip wine when I was ten.

We used to roll cherry leaves into cigars and have dissolute nights
camping out on the lawn in the summer, smoking vile weeds, drinking fine
wines and munching on ransoms bulbs.

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Franz Heymann 04-09-2003 07:03 PM

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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
om...
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message

...
[...]
At my old school there was a dual-purpose row of quinces. Real quinces,

not
japonicas. The teachers used them as a source of sticks for caning

purposes
and we used them for the fruit, which we surreptitiously fermented into

a
potable, if sour, alcoholic drink.


My father was an extremely strict teetotaller. That is, except for the
bucket of "mahlo" which was always on the go in the house. (In less
politically correct times, this was known as "kaffir beer"). It was my
father's belief that not only was it very good for the stomach, but also
that it did not contain any alcohol.

Our housemasters beamed benignly when we made ginger beer: as you've
guessed, they weren't biology masters!


Franz



Rusty Hinge 04-09-2003 09:07 PM

Laurel Trees
 
The message
from Kay Easton contains these words:

When the berries are ripe they are perfectly edible, and are sweetish
and refreshing. Apart from the size of the plants and their fruits, I
can see no difference between black nightshade and 'garden
huckleberries', nor taste any.

IIRC there are two different plants commonly called huckleberry, and one
of them is indeed black nightshade or a variety of it. I grew it once,
but wasn't particularly enamoured of it. There's much nicer berries
around.


Both black nightshade and woody nightshade are Solanum, and isn't
Solanum melongela the aubergine?


Black nightshade is Solanum nigrum and woody nightshade is S. dulcamara.
Aubergines are horrid, nasty, pithy, flavourless things. Black
nightshade beats them by not being pithy.

Tomato is Lycopersicum esculentum, but I've completely forgotten what
the potato is.


It's a starchy tuber you get in greengrocers' shops.

HTH

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Nick Maclaren 04-09-2003 09:07 PM

Laurel Trees
 
In article ,
Rusty Hinge wrote:
The message
from Kay Easton contains these words:

When the berries are ripe they are perfectly edible, and are sweetish
and refreshing. Apart from the size of the plants and their fruits, I
can see no difference between black nightshade and 'garden
huckleberries', nor taste any.

IIRC there are two different plants commonly called huckleberry, and one
of them is indeed black nightshade or a variety of it. I grew it once,
but wasn't particularly enamoured of it. There's much nicer berries
around.


Both black nightshade and woody nightshade are Solanum, and isn't
Solanum melongela the aubergine?


Black nightshade is Solanum nigrum and woody nightshade is S. dulcamara.
Aubergines are horrid, nasty, pithy, flavourless things. Black
nightshade beats them by not being pithy.


If you have eaten only UK supermarket aubergines, then you may well
have that impression. It is, however, mistaken.

The reason that I don't eat black nightshade, despite being fairly
adventurous, is that the Solanaceae are notorious for having plants
with some parts of some varieties at some stages of development
after some treatments that are edible and good, and the same plant
under other conditions causing permanent damage.

I have not yet seen a trustworthy description of the conditions
under which black nightshade is safe to eat, though I have seen a
fair number of statements that the cooked, ripe berry is. But none
of them were clear the exact species and/or variety (and it is a
VERY widespread species, so geographic strains or growing conditions
could be important).

Tomato is Lycopersicum esculentum, but I've completely forgotten what
the potato is.


It's a starchy tuber you get in greengrocers' shops.


It is also Solanum tuberosum, and is quite commonly grown in UK
gardens.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Kay Easton 04-09-2003 09:55 PM

Laurel Trees
 
In article , Rusty Hinge
writes
The message
from Kay Easton contains these words:


Both black nightshade and woody nightshade are Solanum, and isn't
Solanum melongela the aubergine?


Black nightshade is Solanum nigrum and woody nightshade is S. dulcamara.


... which means bittersweet, which is its other common name. Beautiful
berries, especially when still ripening and changing from green through
yellow to red.

Aubergines are horrid, nasty, pithy, flavourless things.


They're wonderful if you slip a few slivers of garlic in and bake them
until soft.

Black
nightshade beats them by not being pithy.

Tomato is Lycopersicum esculentum, but I've completely forgotten what
the potato is.


It's a starchy tuber you get in greengrocers' shops.

Thank you ;-p
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Rusty Hinge 04-09-2003 10:57 PM

Laurel Trees
 
The message
from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:

The reason that I don't eat black nightshade, despite being fairly
adventurous, is that the Solanaceae are notorious for having plants
with some parts of some varieties at some stages of development
after some treatments that are edible and good, and the same plant
under other conditions causing permanent damage.


I have not yet seen a trustworthy description of the conditions
under which black nightshade is safe to eat, though I have seen a
fair number of statements that the cooked, ripe berry is. But none
of them were clear the exact species and/or variety (and it is a
VERY widespread species, so geographic strains or growing conditions
could be important).


It is gathered and eaten in more-or-less all the temperate to tropical
regions. I eat the (ripe) berries both raw and cooked and have (AFAICT)
suffered no ill-effects.

Tomato is Lycopersicum esculentum, but I've completely forgotten what
the potato is.


It's a starchy tuber you get in greengrocers' shops.


It is also Solanum tuberosum, and is quite commonly grown in UK
gardens.


Oh, so that's what I have growing in a big planter? (Tip from GQT: A
plastic drum, a layer of compost, a couple or three spuds, more compost.
Place another couple or three spuds on top, and when the first lot have
produced shoots, 'earth' them up until the second lot are sufficiently
covered to introduce another layer, and so-on.

I only have three layers, but expect the planter to be stuffed full of spuds.

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Rusty Hinge 04-09-2003 10:59 PM

Laurel Trees
 
The message
from Kay Easton contains these words:

Aubergines are horrid, nasty, pithy, flavourless things.


They're wonderful if you slip a few slivers of garlic in and bake them
until soft.


Nah, I'm being unkind. I just don't like the things, and never have
done. And for Nick's benefit, that includes home-grown - just not my
home.

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Rusty Hinge 04-09-2003 11:09 PM

Laurel Trees
 
The message
from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:

The reason that I don't eat black nightshade, despite being fairly
adventurous, is that the Solanaceae are notorious for having plants
with some parts of some varieties at some stages of development
after some treatments that are edible and good, and the same plant
under other conditions causing permanent damage.


I have not yet seen a trustworthy description of the conditions
under which black nightshade is safe to eat, though I have seen a
fair number of statements that the cooked, ripe berry is. But none
of them were clear the exact species and/or variety (and it is a
VERY widespread species, so geographic strains or growing conditions
could be important).


It is gathered and eaten in more-or-less all the temperate to tropical
regions. I eat the (ripe) berries both raw and cooked and have (AFAICT)
suffered no ill-effects.

Tomato is Lycopersicum esculentum, but I've completely forgotten what
the potato is.


It's a starchy tuber you get in greengrocers' shops.


It is also Solanum tuberosum, and is quite commonly grown in UK
gardens.


Oh, so that's what I have growing in a big planter? (Tip from GQT: A
plastic drum, a layer of compost, a couple or three spuds, more compost.
Place another couple or three spuds on top, and when the first lot have
produced shoots, 'earth' them up until the second lot are sufficiently
covered to introduce another layer, and so-on.

I only have three layers, but expect the planter to be stuffed full of spuds.

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Rusty Hinge 04-09-2003 11:09 PM

Laurel Trees
 
The message
from Kay Easton contains these words:

Aubergines are horrid, nasty, pithy, flavourless things.


They're wonderful if you slip a few slivers of garlic in and bake them
until soft.


Nah, I'm being unkind. I just don't like the things, and never have
done. And for Nick's benefit, that includes home-grown - just not my
home.

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Nick Maclaren 04-09-2003 11:25 PM

Laurel Trees
 
In article ,
Rusty Hinge wrote:
The message
from Kay Easton contains these words:

Aubergines are horrid, nasty, pithy, flavourless things.


They're wonderful if you slip a few slivers of garlic in and bake them
until soft.


Nah, I'm being unkind. I just don't like the things, and never have
done. And for Nick's benefit, that includes home-grown - just not my
home.


In a country that gets more than a few weeks of just warm sunshine?
And a variety that has NOT been bred for minimal bitterness?

Seriously, disliking aubergines is reasonable. But the reason that
they are flavourless is that they are bred and grown for minimal
bitterness, and that has the side-effect of achieving minimal
flavour. Think of the difference between supermarket "calabrese"
and homw grown purple sprouting broccoli.

The pithiness is largely an artifact of not cooking them properly,
often because of skimping on the olive oil - when fried, they soak
up an incredible amount, as in "The Imam Fainted".


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Rusty Hinge 04-09-2003 11:26 PM

Laurel Trees
 
The message
from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:

The reason that I don't eat black nightshade, despite being fairly
adventurous, is that the Solanaceae are notorious for having plants
with some parts of some varieties at some stages of development
after some treatments that are edible and good, and the same plant
under other conditions causing permanent damage.


I have not yet seen a trustworthy description of the conditions
under which black nightshade is safe to eat, though I have seen a
fair number of statements that the cooked, ripe berry is. But none
of them were clear the exact species and/or variety (and it is a
VERY widespread species, so geographic strains or growing conditions
could be important).


It is gathered and eaten in more-or-less all the temperate to tropical
regions. I eat the (ripe) berries both raw and cooked and have (AFAICT)
suffered no ill-effects.

Tomato is Lycopersicum esculentum, but I've completely forgotten what
the potato is.


It's a starchy tuber you get in greengrocers' shops.


It is also Solanum tuberosum, and is quite commonly grown in UK
gardens.


Oh, so that's what I have growing in a big planter? (Tip from GQT: A
plastic drum, a layer of compost, a couple or three spuds, more compost.
Place another couple or three spuds on top, and when the first lot have
produced shoots, 'earth' them up until the second lot are sufficiently
covered to introduce another layer, and so-on.

I only have three layers, but expect the planter to be stuffed full of spuds.

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Rusty Hinge 04-09-2003 11:26 PM

Laurel Trees
 
The message
from Kay Easton contains these words:

Aubergines are horrid, nasty, pithy, flavourless things.


They're wonderful if you slip a few slivers of garlic in and bake them
until soft.


Nah, I'm being unkind. I just don't like the things, and never have
done. And for Nick's benefit, that includes home-grown - just not my
home.

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Nick Maclaren 04-09-2003 11:26 PM

Laurel Trees
 
In article ,
Rusty Hinge wrote:
The message
from Kay Easton contains these words:

Aubergines are horrid, nasty, pithy, flavourless things.


They're wonderful if you slip a few slivers of garlic in and bake them
until soft.


Nah, I'm being unkind. I just don't like the things, and never have
done. And for Nick's benefit, that includes home-grown - just not my
home.


In a country that gets more than a few weeks of just warm sunshine?
And a variety that has NOT been bred for minimal bitterness?

Seriously, disliking aubergines is reasonable. But the reason that
they are flavourless is that they are bred and grown for minimal
bitterness, and that has the side-effect of achieving minimal
flavour. Think of the difference between supermarket "calabrese"
and homw grown purple sprouting broccoli.

The pithiness is largely an artifact of not cooking them properly,
often because of skimping on the olive oil - when fried, they soak
up an incredible amount, as in "The Imam Fainted".


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Franz Heymann 04-09-2003 11:34 PM

Laurel Trees
 

"Rusty Hinge" wrote in message
...

Aubergines are horrid, nasty, pithy, flavourless things.


Not when fried with a goodly amount of garlick in virgin olive oil

Franz




Rusty Hinge 05-09-2003 12:13 AM

Laurel Trees
 
The message
from martin contains these words:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:58:47 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:
"Rusty Hinge" wrote in message
...

Aubergines are horrid, nasty, pithy, flavourless things.


Not when fried with a goodly amount of garlick in virgin olive oil


That seems to be the standard answer to anything that is tasteless.
Last week it was puffballs, this week aubergines, next week horse
manure? :-)


No, but I might try it with black nightshade or garden 'huckleberries'.

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Rusty Hinge 05-09-2003 12:13 AM

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The message
from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:

Nah, I'm being unkind. I just don't like the things, and never have
done. And for Nick's benefit, that includes home-grown - just not my
home.


In a country that gets more than a few weeks of just warm sunshine?
And a variety that has NOT been bred for minimal bitterness?


I've had access to aubergines since before those were bred. I think my
first aubergine eggs perience was in the 'fifties, and yes, I have tried
them from time to time since, prompted by the thought that then, in the
'fifties, if someone so much as wiped a pan with cut garlic it put me
off the meal. Now I make garlic sausage using several cloves per hock,
and never see a wampire anywhere near the place.

Seriously, disliking aubergines is reasonable. But the reason that
they are flavourless is that they are bred and grown for minimal
bitterness, and that has the side-effect of achieving minimal
flavour. Think of the difference between supermarket "calabrese"
and homw grown purple sprouting broccoli.


Calabrese and purple sprouting broccoli are different animals anyway. I
molish a mean calabrese cheese. And I never buy greengrocery or fruit
from supermarkets. (Unless reduced in price to virtually nothing. I
bought two granadillos for 10p eack this year, and have a batch of
granadillo vines coming on nicely.)

Must get the conservatory thing done!

The pithiness is largely an artifact of not cooking them properly,
often because of skimping on the olive oil - when fried, they soak
up an incredible amount, as in "The Imam Fainted".


I never skimp on olive oil - we have a Lidl locally........

Oh, they have a Aussie Shiraz 2,002 at £3.99/bottle. If it's anything
like the Shiraz 2,000 of the same ilk they had before, it's well worth a
try.

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Rusty Hinge 05-09-2003 12:17 AM

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The message
from martin contains these words:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:58:47 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:
"Rusty Hinge" wrote in message
...

Aubergines are horrid, nasty, pithy, flavourless things.


Not when fried with a goodly amount of garlick in virgin olive oil


That seems to be the standard answer to anything that is tasteless.
Last week it was puffballs, this week aubergines, next week horse
manure? :-)


No, but I might try it with black nightshade or garden 'huckleberries'.

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Rusty Hinge 05-09-2003 12:17 AM

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The message
from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:

Nah, I'm being unkind. I just don't like the things, and never have
done. And for Nick's benefit, that includes home-grown - just not my
home.


In a country that gets more than a few weeks of just warm sunshine?
And a variety that has NOT been bred for minimal bitterness?


I've had access to aubergines since before those were bred. I think my
first aubergine eggs perience was in the 'fifties, and yes, I have tried
them from time to time since, prompted by the thought that then, in the
'fifties, if someone so much as wiped a pan with cut garlic it put me
off the meal. Now I make garlic sausage using several cloves per hock,
and never see a wampire anywhere near the place.

Seriously, disliking aubergines is reasonable. But the reason that
they are flavourless is that they are bred and grown for minimal
bitterness, and that has the side-effect of achieving minimal
flavour. Think of the difference between supermarket "calabrese"
and homw grown purple sprouting broccoli.


Calabrese and purple sprouting broccoli are different animals anyway. I
molish a mean calabrese cheese. And I never buy greengrocery or fruit
from supermarkets. (Unless reduced in price to virtually nothing. I
bought two granadillos for 10p eack this year, and have a batch of
granadillo vines coming on nicely.)

Must get the conservatory thing done!

The pithiness is largely an artifact of not cooking them properly,
often because of skimping on the olive oil - when fried, they soak
up an incredible amount, as in "The Imam Fainted".


I never skimp on olive oil - we have a Lidl locally........

Oh, they have a Aussie Shiraz 2,002 at £3.99/bottle. If it's anything
like the Shiraz 2,000 of the same ilk they had before, it's well worth a
try.

--
Rusty
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Kay Easton 05-09-2003 08:53 AM

Laurel Trees
 
In article , martin
writes

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:58:47 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Rusty Hinge" wrote in message
...

Aubergines are horrid, nasty, pithy, flavourless things.


Not when fried with a goodly amount of garlick in virgin olive oil


That seems to be the standard answer to anything that is tasteless.
Last week it was puffballs, this week aubergines, next week horse
manure? :-)


Horse manure is tasteless? You learn something every day!

I thank you from the depths of my heart for your public spiritedness is
establishing this fact for us. ;-)
--
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Franz Heymann 05-09-2003 10:22 AM

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"martin" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:58:47 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Rusty Hinge" wrote in message
...

Aubergines are horrid, nasty, pithy, flavourless things.


Not when fried with a goodly amount of garlick in virgin olive oil


That seems to be the standard answer to anything that is tasteless.
Last week it was puffballs, this week aubergines, next week horse
manure? :-)


Yes. But you need a horsemanure-to-mushroom conveter.

Franz
--
Martin





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