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getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully appreceiated
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getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
"rgree" wrote in message s.com... Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully appreceiated Glyphosate (Roundup) should do it, as long as you keep it off the leaves of the tree. But it is a little late in the year to do it. Why not just let the weeds be and deal with them when they have woken up next season? Franz |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
: Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this
: spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of : dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them : without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully : appreceiated dig them out with a trowel is the best solution. Docks are not as bad as a lot of perennial weeds and if you can avoid weedkillers all the better |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
"rgree" wrote in message s.com... Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully appreceiated Strimmer. -- Tumbleweed Remove theobvious before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
"Robert" wrote in message ... : Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this : spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of : dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them : without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully : appreceiated dig them out with a trowel is the best solution. Docks are not as bad as a lot of perennial weeds and if you can avoid weedkillers all the better. I don't understand why it is all the better if one avoids weedkillers. Roundup has to be absorbed through the leaves and it become innocuous when it enters the soil. Franz |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
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I bought an apple tree this spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them without posoining my tree. Reply Strimmer. Further Reply Be carefull. Strimmers and young trees do not mix well. Young trees have tender bark, and the bark is so important to the well being of your tree. If you want to cut the docks down to ground level then my advice would be to use a pair of shears. In my view shears would be quicker that strimming too. Thats unless you have a whole orchard to deal with. Strimmers are one of those tools, everyone thinks they are going to be of more use than they ever really are. By the time you add in all the time spent running out an extension lead, fixing the broken strimming blade, etc etc. you could have gone around the garden twice with a decent pair of shears. I guess it all depends on the size of your plot. |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
"Franz Heymann" wrote in
: "Robert" wrote in message ... : Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this : spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of : dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them : without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully : appreceiated dig them out with a trowel is the best solution. Docks are not as bad as a lot of perennial weeds and if you can avoid weedkillers all the better. I don't understand why it is all the better if one avoids weedkillers. Roundup has to be absorbed through the leaves and it become innocuous when it enters the soil. Perhaps because it's a bit late in the year this year? Taking a trowel to the roots more likely to work at this time. Plus, (almost) everyone has a trowel, whereas you might have to go out and buy Roundup, then find somewhere safe and dry to store what you didn't use. Victoria |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully appreceiated We have had some success with the following method (albeit with brambles rather than dock). Mix your weedkiller (probably glyphosate) with some wallpaper paste. Then paint this mixture on the leaves of the plants which you wish to kill. It is quite easy to do this without spilling the mixture on to surrounding plants. It worked for us. One warning. Someone recently told me that for some reason this is not permitted (EU directive, I think). Does anyone know whether that warning is true, and if so what is its source? Laurie Laurie (Laurence) Moseley Plus Ultra Expert Systems, Decision-Making, Argentinian Tango & Golf |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ...
"Robert" wrote in message ... : Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this : spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of : dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them : without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully : appreceiated dig them out with a trowel is the best solution. Docks are not as bad as a lot of perennial weeds and if you can avoid weedkillers all the better. I don't understand why it is all the better if one avoids weedkillers. Roundup has to be absorbed through the leaves and it become innocuous when it enters the soil. Franz Franz There is a risk we will go seriously off topic here, but what the heck. How do you know that Roundup is harmless. It could be doing untold damage to all sorts of levels of the biological chain. Lets assume the guy has a young tree, surrounded with docks. Whats that 20 dock plants max. Lets allow him an hour to dig around the tree removing the dock plants, (taking care to get them darn long tap roots out). Now he can dig in a little compost at the same time and he gets a bit of exercise, the tree gets some food, and we dont risk poisoning anything. Hey, maybe he can even cancel his gym membership and save money too. Phil |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ...
"Robert" wrote in message ... : Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this : spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of : dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them : without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully : appreceiated dig them out with a trowel is the best solution. Docks are not as bad as a lot of perennial weeds and if you can avoid weedkillers all the better. I don't understand why it is all the better if one avoids weedkillers. Roundup has to be absorbed through the leaves and it become innocuous when it enters the soil. Franz Because you have just stated a common myth. It actually depends on the type of soil and even then you cannot be sure that it is all "innocuous". -- Neil Jones- http://www.butterflyguy.com/ "At some point I had to stand up and be counted. Who speaks for the butterflies?" Andrew Lees - The quotation on his memorial at Crymlyn Bog National Nature Reserve |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
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writes Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully appreceiated Standard procedure is to keep weeds down round newly planted trees using glyphosate. As long as you don't hit any green leaves it has no effect on the tree and it is devastating on grasses and perennial weeds. The other alternative is to strim, but be sure you don't end up bruising the trees bark (or worse still stripping it). You slow down the trees growth and establishment if it is being choked by competitors during the growing season. Digging out weeds near newly planted trees going into winter tends to be counter productive. Be sure it is well staked against the prevailing wind for its first winter. Regards, -- Martin Brown |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
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getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
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from Janet Galpin and Oliver Patterson contains these words: How do you know that Roundup is harmless. It could be doing untold damage to all sorts of levels of the biological chain. It's been around long enough for any contra-indications to become well known. And there is none. Especially on the scale contemplated. -- Rusty Hinge horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
"Philip" wrote in message m... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Robert" wrote in message ... : Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this : spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of : dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them : without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully : appreceiated dig them out with a trowel is the best solution. Docks are not as bad as a lot of perennial weeds and if you can avoid weedkillers all the better. I don't understand why it is all the better if one avoids weedkillers. Roundup has to be absorbed through the leaves and it become innocuous when it enters the soil. Franz Franz There is a risk we will go seriously off topic here, but what the heck. How do you know that Roundup is harmless. It could be doing untold damage to all sorts of levels of the biological chain. Please list some of the untold damage which can be done to all sorts of levels of the biological chain, and please do not forget to give the references to the research which has proved it. Lets assume the guy has a young tree, surrounded with docks. Whats that 20 dock plants max. Lets allow him an hour to dig around the tree removing the dock plants, (taking care to get them darn long tap roots out). And that is precisely where the problem lies. Every dock I have taken out physically has regrown the following season. Now he can dig in a little compost at the same time and he gets a bit of exercise, the tree gets some food, and we dont risk poisoning anything. Hey, maybe he can even cancel his gym membership and save money too. Franz |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
"Janet Galpin and Oliver Patterson" wrote in message ... [snip] How do you know that Roundup is harmless. It could be doing untold damage to all sorts of levels of the biological chain. So could tealeaves and so could animal manure. How do you know that these items do not do untold damage to all sorts of levels of the biological chain? If you want to play your game seriously, you should not garden at all. You should just sit and wait to see what mother nature deigns to produce of her own accord. The hunter-gatherers had their day millennia ago. Franz |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
"Neil Jones" wrote in message om... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Robert" wrote in message ... : Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this : spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of : dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them : without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully : appreceiated dig them out with a trowel is the best solution. Docks are not as bad as a lot of perennial weeds and if you can avoid weedkillers all the better. I don't understand why it is all the better if one avoids weedkillers. Roundup has to be absorbed through the leaves and it become innocuous when it enters the soil. Franz Because you have just stated a common myth. It actually depends on the type of soil and even then you cannot be sure that it is all "innocuous". Let us not beat about the bush: Please cite the references in the scientific journals which provide any evidence of any kind which might prove you to be correct. Franz |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
"Laurie Moseley" wrote in message ... Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully appreceiated We have had some success with the following method (albeit with brambles rather than dock). Mix your weedkiller (probably glyphosate) with some wallpaper paste. Then paint this mixture on the leaves of the plants which you wish to kill. It is quite easy to do this without spilling the mixture on to surrounding plants. It worked for us. One warning. Someone recently told me that for some reason this is not permitted (EU directive, I think). Does anyone know whether that warning is true, and if so what is its source? I have in my stock of baddies a commercial preparation containing glyphosate prepared a gel, which you paint on to broad leaves as you describe. I am not aware that that product is illegal. Make sure that you dilute the glyphosate has been diluted to working strength before you make wallpaper paste with it. Franz |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Laurie Moseley" wrote in message ... Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully appreceiated We have had some success with the following method (albeit with brambles rather than dock). Mix your weedkiller (probably glyphosate) with some wallpaper paste. Then paint this mixture on the leaves of the plants which you wish to kill. It is quite easy to do this without spilling the mixture on to surrounding plants. It worked for us. One warning. Someone recently told me that for some reason this is not permitted (EU directive, I think). Does anyone know whether that warning is true, and if so what is its source? I have in my stock of baddies a commercial preparation containing glyphosate prepared a gel, which you paint on to broad leaves as you describe. I am not aware that that product is illegal. Make sure that you dilute the glyphosate has been diluted to working strength before you make wallpaper paste with it. My apologies. They newly opened bottle of Lagavulin has interfered with my ability to express myself correctly. Franz |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
"rgree" wrote in message s.com... Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully appreceiated -- rgree ------------------------------------------------------------------------ posted via www.GardenBanter.co.uk carefully pour a little salt into the very centre of the plant it soon works |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:21:06 GMT, rgree
wrote: Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully appreceiated No-one's yet mentioned a layer of heavy-duty black polythene or that black horticultural fabric (Terram or similar) that lets water through. Cut out the light and everything dies, eventually. -- Chris E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:21:06 GMT, rgree wrote: Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully appreceiated No-one's yet mentioned a layer of heavy-duty black polythene or that black horticultural fabric (Terram or similar) that lets water through. Cut out the light and everything dies, eventually. -- Chris or even old carpet (turned over to make it look better!) -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs) |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
In message , Franz Heymann
writes "Laurie Moseley" wrote in message ... It worked for us. One warning. Someone recently told me that for some reason this is not permitted (EU directive, I think). Does anyone know whether that warning is true, and if so what is its source? Unlicensed use. No safety testing has ever been done on mixes of herbicides and wallpaper paste. Whilst I think it is unlikely that there will be anything nasty as a result you should be aware that commercial wallpaper pastes also contain powerful fungicides to stop your wallpaper going mouldy and interaction with a weedkiller cannot be ruled out. I have in my stock of baddies a commercial preparation containing glyphosate prepared a gel, which you paint on to broad leaves as you describe. I am not aware that that product is illegal. The commercial preparation isn't illegal. They have had it safety tested and licensed as a garden pesticide. Mixing your own is frowned upon. Even using relatively harmless pure chemicals like isopropyl alcohol in a form not sold for use as a commercial pesticide can get you into trouble if an inspector notices and decides to be picky. Make sure that you dilute the glyphosate has been diluted to working strength before you make wallpaper paste with it. People get into surprising trouble with ill advised mixing of household chemicals. Especially with cleaning agents and bleaches. Always read the warnings on the sides of the packets - they are not there for decoration. As has been mentioned elsewhere in the thread you can dilute glyphosate somewhat more than the instructions if you only want to kill grass. Bit late in the season to be applying it now though. Regards, -- Martin Brown |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
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from Martin Brown contains these words: Even using relatively harmless pure chemicals like isopropyl alcohol in a form not sold for use as a commercial pesticide can get you into trouble if an inspector notices and decides to be picky. You can tell him/her it's just a libation for the fairies. There isn't an EC directive against that. Yet. -- Rusty Hinge horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
In message , Chris Hogg
writes On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:21:06 GMT, rgree wrote: Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully appreceiated No-one's yet mentioned a layer of heavy-duty black polythene or that black horticultural fabric (Terram or similar) that lets water through. Cut out the light and everything dies, eventually. Thistles don't. At least not in my experience. They are more than capable of growing under the terram or carpet until they reach the edge. Regards, -- Martin Brown |
getting rid of weeds without poisoning my tree
"Martin Brown" wrote in message ... In message , Chris Hogg writes On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:21:06 GMT, rgree wrote: Hi. Has anyone got any suggestions. I bought an apple tree this spring and planted it. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of dock leave weeds around the base. I would like to get rid of them without posoining my tree. Any suggestions would be gratefully appreceiated No-one's yet mentioned a layer of heavy-duty black polythene or that black horticultural fabric (Terram or similar) that lets water through. Cut out the light and everything dies, eventually. Thistles don't. At least not in my experience. They are more than capable of growing under the terram or carpet until they reach the edge. BIgger carpet, tucked under the skirting board. -- Tumbleweed Remove theobvious before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
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