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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:28:30 +0100, Mike Clark wrote:
In article m, URL:mailto:@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:23:55 +0100, Peter Ashby wrote: [snip] Well since you think that then the first sentence indicates the above was not aimed at you ;-) Peter -- Peter Ashby School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland You taking the **** or what? ha ha ha. what is it you do there, gardening? To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded. If you advertise the fact, then you do, otherwise lose the assosciation. Have they authorised you to talk a load of ******** on their behalf? I interpret this to mean that he is exercising his rights of academic freedom to express a view not unrelated to his area of expertise as a member of a university. I would be most concerned if he was only able to speak when authorised by his university. I realise that this may be an alien concept to some people employed in companies, or even employed by some government institutions, but it is a concept still defended in universities. As a fellow academic I would defend his right to express his views even though I may not agree with the opinions he expresses. It has nothing to do with free speech. Peter Ashby can say what he wants, when he wants and where he wants as far as I am concerned, I would defend that right too. Bragging how big his dick is, the fact that the university is sponsoring him and that we are paying for it is completely unnecessary to promoting free speech. If the comments are not on behalf of the uni, don't advertise it then. |
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"W K" wrote: Then point me to a scientific paper which proves that glyphosate has any deleterious effect on the ecological balance of where it is used, excepting, of course, for the eradication of plants not wanted by humans. Well thats pretty much the nature of what the RSPB complains about. ie. more extreme control and more extreme monoculture. So this is the answer to why herbicides are bad? That people use them to kill plants where they don't want them? On that basis we should ban hoes. Peter -- Peter Ashby School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded. Reverse the Spam and remove to email me. |
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wrote in message s.com... On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:23:55 +0100, Peter Ashby wrote: In article , bigboard wrote: Peter Ashby wrote: In article , bigboard wrote: Bully for you. What has that got to do with it? What it means is that if you think eating GM might be bad for you then stay away from all conventional crop varieties since we don't know what genetic changes happened to yield the required characters, unlike GM. Also don't eat cauliflower, Brussel sprouts or broccoli, all mutant cabbages. Who knows what genetic sequences caused these? some may have happened because, gasp!, a virus went haywire and disrupted some vital genes. Oh and also stay away from organge carrots, nature meant carrots to be green. I don't think that eating GM crops is necessarily bad for you, so the above paragraph is irrelevant. 1/10 for the patronising attitude, I've seen it done much better. Well since you think that then the first sentence indicates the above was not aimed at you ;-) Peter -- Peter Ashby School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland You taking the **** or what? ha ha ha. what is it you do there, gardening? To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded. If you advertise the fact, then you do, otherwise lose the assosciation. Have they authorised you to talk a load of ******** on their behalf? Would you mind awfully not crossposting to demon.local, please? Also, I couldn't find your signature and we do like to keep an eye on them, you know. Wim |
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wrote in message s.com... On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:28:30 +0100, Mike Clark wrote: In article m, URL:mailto:@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:23:55 +0100, Peter Ashby wrote: [snip] Well since you think that then the first sentence indicates the above was not aimed at you ;-) Peter -- Peter Ashby School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland You taking the **** or what? ha ha ha. what is it you do there, gardening? To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded. If you advertise the fact, then you do, otherwise lose the assosciation. Have they authorised you to talk a load of ******** on their behalf? I interpret this to mean that he is exercising his rights of academic freedom to express a view not unrelated to his area of expertise as a member of a university. I would be most concerned if he was only able to speak when authorised by his university. I realise that this may be an alien concept to some people employed in companies, or even employed by some government institutions, but it is a concept still defended in universities. As a fellow academic I would defend his right to express his views even though I may not agree with the opinions he expresses. It has nothing to do with free speech. Peter Ashby can say what he wants, when he wants and where he wants as far as I am concerned, I would defend that right too. Bragging how big his dick is, the fact that the university is sponsoring him and that we are paying for it is completely unnecessary to promoting free speech. If the comments are not on behalf of the uni, don't advertise it then. Oh dear, poor Pete. Once again he's come up against someone who isn't afraid of the light and doesn't live in an attic posting with either imaginary names or no ****ing name at all. Perhaps those of us who don't lie, don't stalk others on usenet, etc. don't actually have a need to hide their identity. Indeed other than myself the only individual I've ever encountered on usenet who saw fit to post my address was you Pete. And that's only because you chose to invent a load of crap about me ****ing livestock and then trying to encourage others to complain to the Police, etc. about this and other ficticious crimes. If it wasn't for morons such as Pete everyone would feel free to post using their real name and as much other information as they considered appropriate to introduce themselves to others. With ****wits like Pete about there's a constant risk of endless crap in your inbox and worse. Pete. For Christ's sake **** off and leave everyone here alone. You're not welcome and you're not even doing any good for the AR cause. Michael Saunby |
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Following up to Victoria Clare
stay away from organge carrots, nature meant carrots to be green. I thought carrots were naturally purple? wild carrot roots are not green IIRC and yes, early carrots were purple. -- Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso UK walking "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Spain,cuisines and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
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"Peter Ashby" wrote in message ... In article , "W K" wrote: Then point me to a scientific paper which proves that glyphosate has any deleterious effect on the ecological balance of where it is used, excepting, of course, for the eradication of plants not wanted by humans. Well thats pretty much the nature of what the RSPB complains about. ie. more extreme control and more extreme monoculture. So this is the answer to why herbicides are bad? That people use them to kill plants where they don't want them? On that basis we should ban hoes. Its why an extreme version based on GM technology is bad. In the lists of arguments it is one that is likely, and rather dull as it is only an extension of what currently happens. No need for proof, its conjecture about the future based on very well known effects of what is happening now. As you state, any agriculture can damage natural systems, but we current agricultural practice is already rather extreme. Its rather similar to arguments that hormone use in milk production is bad for animal welfare - worse than what we currently do, but current practice is already dodgy in places. I am very surprised that you are not aware of these arguments, what are you doing at the below address? Actually it was my fifth choice for university! School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:43:39 +0100, "Wim Jay" wrote:
wrote in message ws.com... On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:23:55 +0100, Peter Ashby wrote: In article , bigboard wrote: Peter Ashby wrote: In article , bigboard wrote: Bully for you. What has that got to do with it? What it means is that if you think eating GM might be bad for you then stay away from all conventional crop varieties since we don't know what genetic changes happened to yield the required characters, unlike GM. Also don't eat cauliflower, Brussel sprouts or broccoli, all mutant cabbages. Who knows what genetic sequences caused these? some may have happened because, gasp!, a virus went haywire and disrupted some vital genes. Oh and also stay away from organge carrots, nature meant carrots to be green. I don't think that eating GM crops is necessarily bad for you, so the above paragraph is irrelevant. 1/10 for the patronising attitude, I've seen it done much better. Well since you think that then the first sentence indicates the above was not aimed at you ;-) Peter -- Peter Ashby School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland You taking the **** or what? ha ha ha. what is it you do there, gardening? To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded. If you advertise the fact, then you do, otherwise lose the assosciation. Have they authorised you to talk a load of ******** on their behalf? Would you mind awfully not crossposting to demon.local, please? Yes I would object greatly. I read from demon.local because it amuses me to do so. Also, I couldn't find your signature and we do like to keep an eye on them, you know. Wim What is the mathematical equation used to establish permitted properties for sigs, will this do? . . . . . . . . The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:53:46 +0100, "Michael Saunby"
wrote: wrote in message ws.com... On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:28:30 +0100, Mike Clark wrote: In article m, URL:mailto:@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:23:55 +0100, Peter Ashby wrote: [snip] Well since you think that then the first sentence indicates the above was not aimed at you ;-) Peter -- Peter Ashby School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland You taking the **** or what? ha ha ha. what is it you do there, gardening? To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded. If you advertise the fact, then you do, otherwise lose the assosciation. Have they authorised you to talk a load of ******** on their behalf? I interpret this to mean that he is exercising his rights of academic freedom to express a view not unrelated to his area of expertise as a member of a university. I would be most concerned if he was only able to speak when authorised by his university. I realise that this may be an alien concept to some people employed in companies, or even employed by some government institutions, but it is a concept still defended in universities. As a fellow academic I would defend his right to express his views even though I may not agree with the opinions he expresses. It has nothing to do with free speech. Peter Ashby can say what he wants, when he wants and where he wants as far as I am concerned, I would defend that right too. Bragging how big his dick is, the fact that the university is sponsoring him and that we are paying for it is completely unnecessary to promoting free speech. If the comments are not on behalf of the uni, don't advertise it then. Oh dear, poor Pete. pete who? Once again he's come up against someone who isn't afraid of the light and doesn't live in an attic posting with either imaginary names or no ****ing name at all. I know, I like old Ashby, he's a tart but he stands up for himself, unlike you. Perhaps those of us who don't lie, That counts you out goat ****er. don't stalk others on usenet, etc. And again sister screwer. don't actually have a need to hide their identity. But you sorely wish you had. Indeed other than myself the only individual I've ever encountered on usenet who saw fit to post my address So what's the big deal? was you Pete. pete who? And that's only because you chose to invent a load of crap about me ****ing livestock You do **** livestock, google shows us. and then trying to encourage others to complain to the Police, About your lunatic, criminal behaviour no doubt? etc. about this and other ficticious crimes. what are they? I've come to the conclusion that everything written about you is true, probably. If it wasn't for morons such as Pete pete who? everyone would feel free to post using their real name Most of us do. and as much other information as they considered appropriate to introduce themselves to others. With ****wits like Pete pete who? about there's a constant risk of endless crap in your inbox and worse. What makes publishing private details dangerous is when lunatic stalkers like you decide to target us, petrol bomb house and assault innocent people, all just because you want to abuse animals? daft if you ask me. Not to mention the virus, credit card fraud, Dos attacks and other stuff you carry out. Pete. pete who? For Christ's sake **** off and leave everyone here alone. Shame you cant handle social intercourse saunby, maybe that's what drove you to **** animals, did they love you long time before you cut their throat, did you have sex with them before or after you cut their throat.? You're not welcome and you're not even doing any good for the AR cause. See www.google.com for ARs profiles.... it's really quite high.....no more fox hunting for you soon pervie! . . . . . . . . The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. |
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"W K" wrote in message
... "Paul Rooney" wrote in message ... On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:21:41 +0100, Reidİ wrote: Following up to Paul Rooney Hang about - GM is good, isn't it? that's very much a matter of opinion isn't it Paul? Efficient crops, disease-resistant veg, etc. Swallowed the hype then? In what way are the crops more efficient? Any evidence that it's bad? Well, The rats eating too many potatoes stuff was rubbish. BUT the real and less exciting aspect is that it allows crops to be sprayed with even more herbicides. "GM" iself doesnt allow crops to be sprayed with more herbicide. One specific type of GM enhigeered crop does. Others dont, for example Vitamin A rice has nothing to do with roundup. GM is a technique, (or set of, or meaningless catch-all phrase*), and its as ridiculous to claim that GM is bad because one set of consequences of it are bad,as to claim that fire is bad because houses burn down sometimes. -- Tumbleweed *after all, what are all our current foodcrops if not Genetically Modified? Remove theobvious before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
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wrote in message s.com... On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:43:39 +0100, "Wim Jay" wrote: wrote in message ws.com... On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:23:55 +0100, Peter Ashby wrote: In article , bigboard wrote: Peter Ashby wrote: In article , bigboard wrote: Bully for you. What has that got to do with it? What it means is that if you think eating GM might be bad for you then stay away from all conventional crop varieties since we don't know what genetic changes happened to yield the required characters, unlike GM. Also don't eat cauliflower, Brussel sprouts or broccoli, all mutant cabbages. Who knows what genetic sequences caused these? some may have happened because, gasp!, a virus went haywire and disrupted some vital genes. Oh and also stay away from organge carrots, nature meant carrots to be green. I don't think that eating GM crops is necessarily bad for you, so the above paragraph is irrelevant. 1/10 for the patronising attitude, I've seen it done much better. Well since you think that then the first sentence indicates the above was not aimed at you ;-) Peter -- Peter Ashby School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland You taking the **** or what? ha ha ha. what is it you do there, gardening? To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded. If you advertise the fact, then you do, otherwise lose the assosciation. Have they authorised you to talk a load of ******** on their behalf? Would you mind awfully not crossposting to demon.local, please? Yes I would object greatly. I read from demon.local because it amuses me to do so. Also, I couldn't find your signature and we do like to keep an eye on them, you know. Wim What is the mathematical equation used to establish permitted properties for sigs, will this do? Just as I thought: you're one of those bolshie protestors, aren't you? You'll not fit in well here, you know. We keep very high standards in demon.local, you know. Why, we even have our own vicar here *and* a famous author *and* someone who once tried to make it big in the theatre, but failed miserably. The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. Your sig is way too big to fit in to demon.local, but don't take my word for it. Messrs. Barker and Oldfield, our gruesome twosome, will be along shortly to curse and swear at you. HTH. HAND. Wim |
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wrote in message s.com... That counts you out goat ****er. What an exceedingly small world, eh? We have a goat sucker here in demon.local. Wim |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:18:26 +0100, "Wim Jay" wrote:
wrote in message ws.com... On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:43:39 +0100, "Wim Jay" wrote: wrote in message ws.com... On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:23:55 +0100, Peter Ashby wrote: In article , bigboard wrote: Peter Ashby wrote: In article , bigboard wrote: Bully for you. What has that got to do with it? What it means is that if you think eating GM might be bad for you then stay away from all conventional crop varieties since we don't know what genetic changes happened to yield the required characters, unlike GM. Also don't eat cauliflower, Brussel sprouts or broccoli, all mutant cabbages. Who knows what genetic sequences caused these? some may have happened because, gasp!, a virus went haywire and disrupted some vital genes. Oh and also stay away from organge carrots, nature meant carrots to be green. I don't think that eating GM crops is necessarily bad for you, so the above paragraph is irrelevant. 1/10 for the patronising attitude, I've seen it done much better. Well since you think that then the first sentence indicates the above was not aimed at you ;-) Peter -- Peter Ashby School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland You taking the **** or what? ha ha ha. what is it you do there, gardening? To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded. If you advertise the fact, then you do, otherwise lose the assosciation. Have they authorised you to talk a load of ******** on their behalf? Would you mind awfully not crossposting to demon.local, please? Yes I would object greatly. I read from demon.local because it amuses me to do so. Also, I couldn't find your signature and we do like to keep an eye on them, you know. Wim What is the mathematical equation used to establish permitted properties for sigs, will this do? Just as I thought: you're one of those bolshie protestors, aren't you? You'll not fit in well here, you know. I never seem to fit in anywhere, cant think why! We keep very high standards in demon.local, you know. I had noticed. Why, we even have our own vicar here *and* a famous author *and* someone who once tried to make it big in the theatre, but failed miserably. I once knew a Bishop, well, we all did, does that pull any strings? The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. Your sig is way too big to fit in to demon.local, but don't take my word for it. Messrs. Barker and Oldfield, our gruesome twosome, will be along shortly to curse and swear at you. HTH. HAND. I love a challenge, it helps immensely and I am sure I'll have a wonderful day. Thanks for the kind concern. . . . . . . . . The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:21:54 +0100, "Wim Jay" wrote:
wrote in message ws.com... That counts you out goat ****er. What an exceedingly small world, eh? We have a goat sucker here in demon.local. You do, that'll be nice for saunby, he has never been the same since the RSPCA took his animals away. Wim Your sig is non existent, how come? . . . . . . . . The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. |
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URL:mailto:@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:28:30 +0100, Mike Clark wrote: In article m, URL:mailto:@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:23:55 +0100, Peter Ashby wrote: [snip] To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded. If you advertise the fact, then you do, otherwise lose the assosciation. Have they authorised you to talk a load of ******** on their behalf? I interpret this to mean that he is exercising his rights of academic freedom to express a view not unrelated to his area of expertise as a member of a university. I would be most concerned if he was only able to speak when authorised by his university. I realise that this may be an alien concept to some people employed in companies, or even employed by some government institutions, but it is a concept still defended in universities. As a fellow academic I would defend his right to express his views even though I may not agree with the opinions he expresses. It has nothing to do with free speech. Peter Ashby can say what he wants, when he wants and where he wants as far as I am concerned, I would defend that right too. Bragging how big his dick is, the fact that the university is sponsoring him and that we are paying for it is completely unnecessary to promoting free speech. If the comments are not on behalf of the uni, don't advertise it then. I think you are missing the point. It is not just a question of free speech, and it is not just a question of speaking for an employer or not. The important fact is that an academic can declare an affiliation to an academic institution, yet still speak with academic freedom and express views that should not be considered as the expressed opinions of the institution. I find it insidious that you think that an academic should hide their affiliation from public scrutiny. Mike URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/ -- M.R. Clark, PhD. Division of Immunology Cambridge University, Dept. Pathology Tennis Court Rd., Cambridge CB2 1QP Tel.+44 1223 333705 Fax.+44 1223 333875 |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:38:16 +0100, Mike Clark wrote:
In article m, URL:mailto:@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:28:30 +0100, Mike Clark wrote: In article m, URL:mailto:@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:23:55 +0100, Peter Ashby wrote: [snip] To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded. If you advertise the fact, then you do, otherwise lose the assosciation. Have they authorised you to talk a load of ******** on their behalf? I interpret this to mean that he is exercising his rights of academic freedom to express a view not unrelated to his area of expertise as a member of a university. I would be most concerned if he was only able to speak when authorised by his university. I realise that this may be an alien concept to some people employed in companies, or even employed by some government institutions, but it is a concept still defended in universities. As a fellow academic I would defend his right to express his views even though I may not agree with the opinions he expresses. It has nothing to do with free speech. Peter Ashby can say what he wants, when he wants and where he wants as far as I am concerned, I would defend that right too. Bragging how big his dick is, the fact that the university is sponsoring him and that we are paying for it is completely unnecessary to promoting free speech. If the comments are not on behalf of the uni, don't advertise it then. I think you are missing the point. It is not just a question of free speech, and it is not just a question of speaking for an employer or not. The important fact is that an academic can declare an affiliation to an academic institution, yet still speak with academic freedom and express views that should not be considered as the expressed opinions of the institution. I find it insidious that you think that an academic should hide their affiliation from public scrutiny. I find it insidious and rather disturbing that one feels so insecure they need to flaunt it. What's the difference between an academic and a non academic, should we all post our CVs as signature files, who on earth would want to? why, why, why! so many questions.... . . . . . . . . The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. pete who? ) ( / \ .-"""""-. / \ ( \/ __ __ \/ ) ) ; / _\ /_ \ ; ( ( | / \ / \ | ) \ (, \0/_\0/ ,) / \_| / \ |_/ | (_\___/_) | .\ \ -.- / /. { \ `===' / } { `.___.' } { } `"="="="="="` |
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"Mike Clark" wrote in message ... I think you are missing the point. It is not just a question of free speech, and it is not just a question of speaking for an employer or not. The important fact is that an academic can declare an affiliation to an academic institution, yet still speak with academic freedom and express views that should not be considered as the expressed opinions of the institution. I find it insidious that you think that an academic should hide their affiliation from public scrutiny. Mike URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/ Pete, Angus and other animal rightists who enjoy disrupting conservation and farming discussion groups seem to want this, and go to some lengths to achieve it, in order to create the impression that those who disagree with them have no credibility, i.e. anyone that doesn't support AR ideals is an unemployable waste of space. Ironic don't you think? Very sad though, since not everyone has the same freedom, or the thick skin, and the behaviour of the AR thugs has certainly removed most contributions to uk.environment.conservation from those working for conservation organisations. Or "fake conservationists" as the ARists choose to call them. Michael Saunby |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:47:05 +0100, Peter Ashby
wrote: In article m, "" wrote: Links? or maybe some indication of how herbicides are 'bad'? Or maybe you cannot actually substatiate that claim? You may have your head so far up your arse you cannot see reality, luckily every single environmental group in the world hasnt, and they highlight the dangers in triplicate. http://www.google.com/search?q=glyph...F-8&oe=UTF-8&s tart=10&sa=N Will do for starters. Yes and the second item down nicely illustrates the problem. It is the surfactants in the prep that it is obsessing about, not as the title suggests, the glyphosate. So I ask again, what is bad about glyphosate, a herbicide? Try not to be so selective in your blindness. Items in the peer reviewed literature would be preferred to the confused scare stories from environmental groups. Many of which are based on peer reviewed data. We still haven't had an answer from WK as to where the problem might lie, apart from a vague disclaimer that he wasn't talking about humans. Since we know its a herbicide we can exclude plants since that is a bit of a no-brainer. So what is harmed then? The google links show it all. . . . . . . . . The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. pete who? Dutchy XXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX X / / / / / /X X / / / / / / X X / / / / / X X / / / / / X X / / / / X X / / / / X X/ / / / /X X / / / / X X / / / X X / / / X X/ / / X X / / /X XXXXXXXXX MMMMM XXXXX MMMMMMMMMMMMMM XXX MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM XXX MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM XXX MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM X XXX X MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMXMM XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMXMMM XXX MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMXXMMM XXX MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMXXXMMM XXX MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMXXXXMMM XXX MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMXXXXXXMMMM XXX MMMMMMMMXXXXXXXXXXMMMMM XXX MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM XXX MMMMMMMMMMMMM XXX MMMMM XXX XXX M XXX XX//XXX I XXX X/////////X I XXX X // // //X I XXX X/////////////////X I XXX X/// /// /// /// ///X I XXX X////////////////////////######X I XXX X // // // .######### X I XXX X////////////..########### X I XXX X // // XXX ########## X I XXX X/////////X X #### X I XXX X// // X X X I XXX X///////// X X XXX) I XXX X // XX XX X I XXX X//XXX XOOOOX I XXX XXX X I XXX X X I XXX X X I XXX X//X X I XXX X//////X X I XXX X// |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:52:56 +0100, "Michael Saunby"
wrote: "Mike Clark" wrote in message .. . I think you are missing the point. It is not just a question of free speech, and it is not just a question of speaking for an employer or not. The important fact is that an academic can declare an affiliation to an academic institution, yet still speak with academic freedom and express views that should not be considered as the expressed opinions of the institution. I find it insidious that you think that an academic should hide their affiliation from public scrutiny. Mike URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/ Pete, pete who? Angus and other animal rightists who enjoy disrupting conservation and farming discussion groups seem to want this, Disrupting! favourite topics it looks like. Try to join in saunby, much better then animal sex videos. and go to some lengths to achieve it, in order to create the impression that those who disagree with them have no credibility, i.e. anyone that doesn't support AR ideals is an unemployable waste of space. Completely false assumption, shows how misguided and delusional you are. All are welcome here. Ironic don't you think? Very sad though, since not everyone has the same freedom, or the thick skin, Well you are thick I'd agree. and the behaviour of the AR thugs has certainly removed most contributions to uk.environment.conservation from those working for conservation organisations. Or "fake conservationists" as the ARists choose to call them. Really. google tells quite a different story. In fact google is good to look up on your habits. http://tinyurl.com/pcem http://tinyurl.com/pceq Very good indeed. . . . . . . . . The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. pete who? -=[ Grim Reaper ]=- 6/97 .""--.._ [] `'--.._ ||__ `'-, `)||_ ```'--.. \ _ /|//} ``--._ | .'` `'. /////} `\/ / .""".\ //{/// / /_ _`\\ // `|| | |(_)(_)|| _// || | | /\ )| _///\ || | |L====J | / |/ | || / /'-..-' / .'` \ | || / | :: | |_.-` | \ || /| `\-::.| | \ | || /` `| / | | | / || |` \ | / / \ | || | `\_| |/ ,.__. \ | || / /` `\ || || | . / \|| || | | |/ || / / | ( || / . / ) || | \ | || / | / || |\ / | || \ `-._ | / || \ ,//`\ /` | || ///\ \ | \ || |||| ) |__/ | || |||| `.( | || `\\` /` / || /` / || jgs / | || | \ || / | || /` \ || /` | || `-.___,-. .-. ___,' || `---'` `'----'` |
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"Peter Ashby" wrote in message ... snip You get no argument from me on those concerns. In fact I am livid with the likes of Monsanto for jeapardising a potentially very valuable technology with initial products that generally have no benefit for the consumer. I mourn the loss of Flavr Savr tomato paste as a crossfire casualty. I consumed quite a quantity of GM tomato puree, when it was available, and haven't changed into a merman yet :-) |
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In article ,
Paul Rooney wrote: Hang about - GM is good, isn't it? Trollin, trollin trollin !-) -- Regards from Robert Seago : http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/rjseago |
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wrote in message s.com... On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:21:54 +0100, "Wim Jay" wrote: Wim Your sig is non existent, how come? Well, it's my new computer, you see. I used to have a patch called "QuoteFix" for OE on my old one which gave you a "proper" sig like wot they insist on in demon.local, but I must have cleared the download out one day and I've not yet got round to finding it online again. I'll get there one day. In the meantime I just scribble my forename at the end and it keeps the two madmen happy. The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. Sorry to mention your sig again, but if I reply to you without drawing your attention to your *huge* sig I shall be failing in my duties as a sometimes regular of demon.local, and worse than that, I shall have the sig keepers hot on my heels. There is an excellent FAQ for demon.local which Paul Rooney posts once in a blue moon and that will give you a good guide as to how to behave in here. There's an URL for it but I seem to have lost that too. (Personally, I think it's a very nice sig but don't tell any locals that I said so, please.) Wim |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:48:46 +0100, "BAC"
wrote: "Peter Ashby" wrote in message ... snip You get no argument from me on those concerns. In fact I am livid with the likes of Monsanto for jeapardising a potentially very valuable technology with initial products that generally have no benefit for the consumer. I mourn the loss of Flavr Savr tomato paste as a crossfire casualty. I consumed quite a quantity of GM tomato puree, when it was available, and haven't changed into a merman yet :-) So ..... presumably you definitely don't look like this....? http://www.claykeck.com/ethel/ (;-) Regards Geoff |
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"Mike Clark" wrote in message ... [snip] However there are other issues behind GM crops that go beyond a simple consideration of the consequences to health. I consider a major point to be the way that laws governing intellectual property rights are used to manipulate commercial interests. The topic under discussion is the possible deleterious effects of GM crops, and not the workings of the capitalist world. Franz |
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"W K" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "W K" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "W K" wrote in message ... "Paul Rooney" wrote in message ... On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:21:41 +0100, Reidİ wrote: Following up to Paul Rooney Hang about - GM is good, isn't it? that's very much a matter of opinion isn't it Paul? Efficient crops, disease-resistant veg, etc. Swallowed the hype then? In what way are the crops more efficient? Any evidence that it's bad? Well, The rats eating too many potatoes stuff was rubbish. BUT the real and less exciting aspect is that it allows crops to be sprayed with even more herbicides. There's evidence that thats bad. You are lying in your teeth. Prove me wrong by pointing to any scientific paper which proves that glyphosate has deleterious effects on humans if used correctly. You seem to be assuming that I am talking about the effect on human health. I am not. Then point me to a scientific paper which proves that glyphosate has any deleterious effect on the ecological balance of where it is used, excepting, of course, for the eradication of plants not wanted by humans. Well thats pretty much the nature of what the RSPB complains about. I take it that you don't believe in the efficacy of weeding your garden. It must be a sad, weedy lot. Franz ie. more extreme control and more extreme monoculture. Why bring monoculture into the argument? The use of glyphosate and pursuing a practice of monoculture are separate questions. Franz |
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"Peter Ashby" wrote in message ... In article , "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Reidİ" wrote in message ... [snip] Indeed, its a risk, an unquantified one that could have catastrophic results or might not. Nonsense. It is quantified: It is less than can be detected by any experiment so far performed. That makes it compatible with zero to within present experimental limits. To be strict that makes it compatible with zero when comparing GM varieties with equivalent conventional crops, within present experimental limits. It does not exclude some risk which may be shared between the GM and conventional varieties. Point granted. Franz |
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"W K" wrote in message ... "Peter Ashby" wrote in message ... In article , "W K" wrote: You are lying in your teeth. Prove me wrong by pointing to any scientific paper which proves that glyphosate has deleterious effects on humans if used correctly. You seem to be assuming that I am talking about the effect on human health. I am not. Then state the things you think are bad about it or shut up. Peter -- Peter Ashby School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland Hmm. rather a narrow thinker if you can only do this in terms of LD50. I see no connection between your riposte and the item which you are answering. Read up on what the RSPB thinks about this issue. Its to do with effects similar to those we already see with increased intensification of farming. A bit vague, are you not? Franz |
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wrote in message s.com... On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:23:55 +0100, Peter Ashby wrote: In article , bigboard wrote: Peter Ashby wrote: In article , bigboard wrote: Bully for you. What has that got to do with it? What it means is that if you think eating GM might be bad for you then stay away from all conventional crop varieties since we don't know what genetic changes happened to yield the required characters, unlike GM. Also don't eat cauliflower, Brussel sprouts or broccoli, all mutant cabbages. Who knows what genetic sequences caused these? some may have happened because, gasp!, a virus went haywire and disrupted some vital genes. Oh and also stay away from organge carrots, nature meant carrots to be green. I don't think that eating GM crops is necessarily bad for you, so the above paragraph is irrelevant. 1/10 for the patronising attitude, I've seen it done much better. Well since you think that then the first sentence indicates the above was not aimed at you ;-) Peter -- Peter Ashby School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland You taking the **** or what? ha ha ha. what is it you do there, gardening? To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded. If you advertise the fact, then you do, otherwise lose the assosciation. Have they authorised you to talk a load of ******** on their behalf? I look forward to seeing a list of titles of the load of ******** you claim to be talked by Peter. My impression is that you have been very unlucky so far in not being able to win a single argument against him. By the way, in no University worthy of the name is it necessary to obtain permission to speak in public about any matter whatsoever, including your own expertise. Franz Franz |
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wrote in message s.com... On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:09:33 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "W K" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "W K" wrote in message ... "Paul Rooney" wrote in message ... On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:21:41 +0100, Reidİ wrote: Following up to Paul Rooney Hang about - GM is good, isn't it? that's very much a matter of opinion isn't it Paul? Efficient crops, disease-resistant veg, etc. Swallowed the hype then? In what way are the crops more efficient? Any evidence that it's bad? Well, The rats eating too many potatoes stuff was rubbish. BUT the real and less exciting aspect is that it allows crops to be sprayed with even more herbicides. There's evidence that thats bad. You are lying in your teeth. Prove me wrong by pointing to any scientific paper which proves that glyphosate has deleterious effects on humans if used correctly. You seem to be assuming that I am talking about the effect on human health. I am not. Then point me to a scientific paper which proves that glyphosate has any deleterious effect on the ecological balance of where it is used, excepting, of course, for the eradication of plants not wanted by humans. That's complete tosh fritz, The name is Franz. It is a better sounding name than your "". How do you pronounce it? Your remark is a certain indication that you have lost steam. why should he, Because I am a scientist and I require scientific evidence if I am to be convinced of the sinfulness of modifying the genes of a plant under controlled conditions rather than by the haphazard style of mother nature. we all know how to drive without seeing the blueprints. Analogies are useless, more often than not. This one is more useless than usual. We read the warnings from the likes of greenpeace and take heed. Many of the issues raised by greenpeace are entirely valid, and have my full support. On the question of GM foodstuffs they are out on a limb with no scientific backup at all. If you have a valid argument against the science I suggest you take it up with the scientists involved & stop boring the pants off us here. I am sorry to hear that your pants are being bored off. You could put an end to it by producing some evidence in favour of your stance. You have not so far produced any scientific statement with any backing whatsoever. Do try, if you wish to carry on further with this Franz |
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wrote in message s.com... On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:09:33 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "W K" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "W K" wrote in message ... "Paul Rooney" wrote in message ... On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:21:41 +0100, Reidİ wrote: Following up to Paul Rooney Hang about - GM is good, isn't it? that's very much a matter of opinion isn't it Paul? Efficient crops, disease-resistant veg, etc. Swallowed the hype then? In what way are the crops more efficient? Any evidence that it's bad? Well, The rats eating too many potatoes stuff was rubbish. BUT the real and less exciting aspect is that it allows crops to be sprayed with even more herbicides. There's evidence that thats bad. You are lying in your teeth. Prove me wrong by pointing to any scientific paper which proves that glyphosate has deleterious effects on humans if used correctly. You seem to be assuming that I am talking about the effect on human health. I am not. Then point me to a scientific paper which proves that glyphosate has any deleterious effect on the ecological balance of where it is used, excepting, of course, for the eradication of plants not wanted by humans. Still, if you insist fritz. Have a go at this lot, that should keep you busy for ever. My dear , My name is Franz. It is not fritz, as you have now twice demeaned yourself into printing. It is also conventionally spelt with a capital F. Please do not stoop to such poverety stricken methods of arguing. I am snipping the list of papers you gave, in the interest of saving space and bandwidth. If anybody is interested, they may look up the note to which this is a reply. [snip] They seem mostly to concern themselves with the effects of the surfactant in the commercial formulation of glyphosate, and not with the chemical per se. And yet, even those amongst us who are organic gardeners blithely accept the use of soap and household detergents as valid methods of controlling insect attacks. How much research has been done on the possible deleterious effects of those surfactants? Franz |
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wrote in message s.com... On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:14:51 +0100, Peter Ashby wrote: In article m, "" wrote: Peter Ashby School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland You taking the **** or what? ha ha ha. what is it you do there, gardening? Biomedical research, largely on mice, but I have a background in molecular genetics A vivisectionist. It figures. You care as little about animals as you do about humans, money being your goal. Some of us have better standards. And that statement defines you completely. Goodbye. Franz |
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"Reidİ" wrote in message ... Following up to Peter Ashby Then stay away from conventional crops then, very far away. Because the uncontrolled genetic changes used in their production must, using your own logic "uncontrolled" genetic changes by selective breeding and crosses with similar plants hardly amounts to components of a fish in a tomato. Rubbish. Mother nature already makes use of a substantial fraction of the components of the genome of a plant to make a fish without our help. Franz |
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"W K" wrote in message ... "Peter Ashby" wrote in message ... In article , "W K" wrote: BUT the real and less exciting aspect is that it allows crops to be sprayed with even more herbicides. There's evidence that thats bad. To whom or what? From an earlier discussion about glyphosate: uh oh another one BTW animals are not plants so the term herbicide might indicate that the toxicity is not directed at animals. Making big assumptions there. Have you any evidence that the assumption is unwarranted? Who on earth has ever suggested that one might treat animals with glyphosate? [snip] Franz |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:08:19 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "Victoria Clare" wrote in message 8.206... snip We are not a subsistence culture. We do not need to grow GM crops in the UK in order to feed ourselves, or to prevent economic collapse. So, why not be cautious, in the way that so many previous introducers of other plant varieties have not been? Late is better than never. But we produce newly genetically modified potatoes every year or so and have done so since time immemorial.. My neighbour even won a large prize for doing this. -- Martin |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:08:12 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "W K" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "W K" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "W K" wrote in message ... "Paul Rooney" wrote in message ... On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:21:41 +0100, Reidİ wrote: Following up to Paul Rooney Hang about - GM is good, isn't it? that's very much a matter of opinion isn't it Paul? Efficient crops, disease-resistant veg, etc. Swallowed the hype then? In what way are the crops more efficient? Any evidence that it's bad? Well, The rats eating too many potatoes stuff was rubbish. BUT the real and less exciting aspect is that it allows crops to be sprayed with even more herbicides. There's evidence that thats bad. You are lying in your teeth. Prove me wrong by pointing to any scientific paper which proves that glyphosate has deleterious effects on humans if used correctly. You seem to be assuming that I am talking about the effect on human health. I am not. Then point me to a scientific paper which proves that glyphosate has any deleterious effect on the ecological balance of where it is used, excepting, of course, for the eradication of plants not wanted by humans. Well thats pretty much the nature of what the RSPB complains about. I take it that you don't believe in the efficacy of weeding your garden. It must be a sad, weedy lot. Like you! . . . . . . . . The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. pete who? -=[ Grim Reaper ]=- 6/97 .""--.._ [] `'--.._ ||__ `'-, `)||_ ```'--.. \ _ /|//} ``--._ | .'` `'. /////} `\/ / .""".\ //{/// / /_ _`\\ // `|| | |(_)(_)|| _// || | | /\ )| _///\ || | |L====J | / |/ | || / /'-..-' / .'` \ | || / | :: | |_.-` | \ || /| `\-::.| | \ | || /` `| / | | | / || |` \ | / / \ | || | `\_| |/ ,.__. \ | || / /` `\ || || | . / \|| || | | |/ || / / | ( || / . / ) || | \ | || / | / || |\ / | || \ `-._ | / || \ ,//`\ /` | || ///\ \ | \ || |||| ) |__/ | || |||| `.( | || `\\` /` / || /` / || jgs / | || | \ || / | || /` \ || /` | || `-.___,-. .-. ___,' || `---'` `'----'` I need a drink, feel all giddy...hic! |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:08:22 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: wrote in message ws.com... On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:09:33 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "W K" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "W K" wrote in message ... "Paul Rooney" wrote in message ... On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:21:41 +0100, Reidİ wrote: Following up to Paul Rooney Hang about - GM is good, isn't it? that's very much a matter of opinion isn't it Paul? Efficient crops, disease-resistant veg, etc. Swallowed the hype then? In what way are the crops more efficient? Any evidence that it's bad? Well, The rats eating too many potatoes stuff was rubbish. BUT the real and less exciting aspect is that it allows crops to be sprayed with even more herbicides. There's evidence that thats bad. You are lying in your teeth. Prove me wrong by pointing to any scientific paper which proves that glyphosate has deleterious effects on humans if used correctly. You seem to be assuming that I am talking about the effect on human health. I am not. Then point me to a scientific paper which proves that glyphosate has any deleterious effect on the ecological balance of where it is used, excepting, of course, for the eradication of plants not wanted by humans. That's complete tosh fritz, The name is Franz. Fritz it is Fritz. Was pops a commie spy or did he just desert? It is a better sounding name than your "". How do you pronounce it? with tongue in cheek. Your remark is a certain indication that you have lost steam. why should he, Because I am a scientist Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha Nice one you kraut, commie ****. That'll really impress the guys. and I require scientific evidence if I am to be convinced of the sinfulness of modifying the genes of a plant under controlled conditions rather than by the haphazard style of mother nature. we all know how to drive without seeing the blueprints. Analogies are useless, more often than not. This one is more useless than usual. We read the warnings from the likes of greenpeace and take heed. Many of the issues raised by greenpeace are entirely valid, and have my full support. On the question of GM foodstuffs they are out on a limb with no scientific backup at all. If you have a valid argument against the science I suggest you take it up with the scientists involved & stop boring the pants off us here. I am sorry to hear that your pants are being bored off. You could put an end to it by producing some evidence in favour of your stance. You have not so far produced any scientific statement with any backing whatsoever. Do try, if you wish to carry on further with this Amusing myself at your expense, I dont need to try. . . . . . . . . The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. pete who? -=[ Grim Reaper ]=- 6/97 .""--.._ [] `'--.._ ||__ `'-, `)||_ ```'--.. \ _ /|//} ``--._ | .'` `'. /////} `\/ / .""".\ //{/// / /_ _`\\ // `|| | |(_)(_)|| _// || | | /\ )| _///\ || | |L====J | / |/ | || / /'-..-' / .'` \ | || / | :: | |_.-` | \ || /| `\-::.| | \ | || /` `| / | | | / || |` \ | / / \ | || | `\_| |/ ,.__. \ | || / /` `\ || || | . / \|| || | | |/ || / / | ( || / . / ) || | \ | || / | / || |\ / | || \ `-._ | / || \ ,//`\ /` | || ///\ \ | \ || |||| ) |__/ | || |||| `.( | || `\\` /` / || /` / || jgs / | || | \ || / | || /` \ || /` | || `-.___,-. .-. ___,' || `---'` `'----'` I need a drink, feel all giddy...hic! |
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I don't usually top post, but I will make an exception here
Note for Peter Ashby: Now that our friend "" has revealed his background so clearly in the post beolw here, may I suggest that you cease posting to this thread without further ado? Franz wrote in message s.com... On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:53:46 +0100, "Michael Saunby" wrote: wrote in message ws.com... On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:28:30 +0100, Mike Clark wrote: In article m, URL:mailto:@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:23:55 +0100, Peter Ashby wrote: [snip] Well since you think that then the first sentence indicates the above was not aimed at you ;-) Peter -- Peter Ashby School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland You taking the **** or what? ha ha ha. what is it you do there, gardening? To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded. If you advertise the fact, then you do, otherwise lose the assosciation. Have they authorised you to talk a load of ******** on their behalf? I interpret this to mean that he is exercising his rights of academic freedom to express a view not unrelated to his area of expertise as a member of a university. I would be most concerned if he was only able to speak when authorised by his university. I realise that this may be an alien concept to some people employed in companies, or even employed by some government institutions, but it is a concept still defended in universities. As a fellow academic I would defend his right to express his views even though I may not agree with the opinions he expresses. It has nothing to do with free speech. Peter Ashby can say what he wants, when he wants and where he wants as far as I am concerned, I would defend that right too. Bragging how big his dick is, the fact that the university is sponsoring him and that we are paying for it is completely unnecessary to promoting free speech. If the comments are not on behalf of the uni, don't advertise it then. Oh dear, poor Pete. pete who? Once again he's come up against someone who isn't afraid of the light and doesn't live in an attic posting with either imaginary names or no ****ing name at all. I know, I like old Ashby, he's a tart but he stands up for himself, unlike you. Perhaps those of us who don't lie, That counts you out goat ****er. don't stalk others on usenet, etc. And again sister screwer. don't actually have a need to hide their identity. But you sorely wish you had. Indeed other than myself the only individual I've ever encountered on usenet who saw fit to post my address So what's the big deal? was you Pete. pete who? And that's only because you chose to invent a load of crap about me ****ing livestock You do **** livestock, google shows us. and then trying to encourage others to complain to the Police, About your lunatic, criminal behaviour no doubt? etc. about this and other ficticious crimes. what are they? I've come to the conclusion that everything written about you is true, probably. If it wasn't for morons such as Pete pete who? everyone would feel free to post using their real name Most of us do. and as much other information as they considered appropriate to introduce themselves to others. With ****wits like Pete pete who? about there's a constant risk of endless crap in your inbox and worse. What makes publishing private details dangerous is when lunatic stalkers like you decide to target us, petrol bomb house and assault innocent people, all just because you want to abuse animals? daft if you ask me. Not to mention the virus, credit card fraud, Dos attacks and other stuff you carry out. Pete. pete who? For Christ's sake **** off and leave everyone here alone. Shame you cant handle social intercourse saunby, maybe that's what drove you to **** animals, did they love you long time before you cut their throat, did you have sex with them before or after you cut their throat.? You're not welcome and you're not even doing any good for the AR cause. See www.google.com for ARs profiles.... it's really quite high.....no more fox hunting for you soon pervie! . . . . . . . . The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. |
say non to GM - Join the Tractors & Trolley Parade - Monday 13th October 2003 London
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:51:35 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: I don't usually top post, but I will You're a ****in troll Fritz, why wouldnt you? make an exception here Note for Peter Ashby: Now that our friend "" has revealed his background so clearly in the post beolw here, may I suggest that you cease posting to this thread without further ado? Ha ha ha the troll wants to take my ball away, and all the players too, how novel you prick. wrote in message ws.com... On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:53:46 +0100, "Michael Saunby" wrote: wrote in message ws.com... On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:28:30 +0100, Mike Clark wrote: In article m, URL:mailto:@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:23:55 +0100, Peter Ashby wrote: [snip] Well since you think that then the first sentence indicates the above was not aimed at you ;-) Peter -- Peter Ashby School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland You taking the **** or what? ha ha ha. what is it you do there, gardening? To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded. If you advertise the fact, then you do, otherwise lose the assosciation. Have they authorised you to talk a load of ******** on their behalf? I interpret this to mean that he is exercising his rights of academic freedom to express a view not unrelated to his area of expertise as a member of a university. I would be most concerned if he was only able to speak when authorised by his university. I realise that this may be an alien concept to some people employed in companies, or even employed by some government institutions, but it is a concept still defended in universities. As a fellow academic I would defend his right to express his views even though I may not agree with the opinions he expresses. It has nothing to do with free speech. Peter Ashby can say what he wants, when he wants and where he wants as far as I am concerned, I would defend that right too. Bragging how big his dick is, the fact that the university is sponsoring him and that we are paying for it is completely unnecessary to promoting free speech. If the comments are not on behalf of the uni, don't advertise it then. Oh dear, poor Pete. pete who? Once again he's come up against someone who isn't afraid of the light and doesn't live in an attic posting with either imaginary names or no ****ing name at all. I know, I like old Ashby, he's a tart but he stands up for himself, unlike you. Perhaps those of us who don't lie, That counts you out goat ****er. don't stalk others on usenet, etc. And again sister screwer. don't actually have a need to hide their identity. But you sorely wish you had. Indeed other than myself the only individual I've ever encountered on usenet who saw fit to post my address So what's the big deal? was you Pete. pete who? And that's only because you chose to invent a load of crap about me ****ing livestock You do **** livestock, google shows us. and then trying to encourage others to complain to the Police, About your lunatic, criminal behaviour no doubt? etc. about this and other ficticious crimes. what are they? I've come to the conclusion that everything written about you is true, probably. If it wasn't for morons such as Pete pete who? everyone would feel free to post using their real name Most of us do. and as much other information as they considered appropriate to introduce themselves to others. With ****wits like Pete pete who? about there's a constant risk of endless crap in your inbox and worse. What makes publishing private details dangerous is when lunatic stalkers like you decide to target us, petrol bomb house and assault innocent people, all just because you want to abuse animals? daft if you ask me. Not to mention the virus, credit card fraud, Dos attacks and other stuff you carry out. Pete. pete who? For Christ's sake **** off and leave everyone here alone. Shame you cant handle social intercourse saunby, maybe that's what drove you to **** animals, did they love you long time before you cut their throat, did you have sex with them before or after you cut their throat.? You're not welcome and you're not even doing any good for the AR cause. See www.google.com for ARs profiles.... it's really quite high.....no more fox hunting for you soon pervie! . . . . . . . . The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. . . . . . . . . The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) / | `-^--'` ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / ----. __ / __ \ ----|====O)))==) \) /==== ----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/ I'm a horny devil when riled. pete who? -=[ Grim Reaper ]=- 6/97 .""--.._ [] `'--.._ ||__ `'-, `)||_ ```'--.. \ _ /|//} ``--._ | .'` `'. /////} `\/ / .""".\ //{/// / /_ _`\\ // `|| | |(_)(_)|| _// || | | /\ )| _///\ || | |L====J | / |/ | || / /'-..-' / .'` \ | || / | :: | |_.-` | \ || /| `\-::.| | \ | || /` `| / | | | / || |` \ | / / \ | || | `\_| |/ ,.__. \ | || / /` `\ || || | . / \|| || | | |/ || / / | ( || / . / ) || | \ | || / | / || |\ / | || \ `-._ | / || \ ,//`\ /` | || ///\ \ | \ || |||| ) |__/ | || |||| `.( | || `\\` /` / || /` / || jgs / | || | \ || / | || /` \ || /` | || `-.___,-. .-. ___,' || `---'` `'----'` I need a drink, feel all giddy...hic! |
say non to GM - Join the Tractors & Trolley Parade - Monday 13th October 2003 London
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "W K" wrote in message ... "Peter Ashby" wrote in message ... In article , "W K" wrote: BUT the real and less exciting aspect is that it allows crops to be sprayed with even more herbicides. There's evidence that thats bad. To whom or what? From an earlier discussion about glyphosate: uh oh another one BTW animals are not plants so the term herbicide might indicate that the toxicity is not directed at animals. Making big assumptions there. Have you any evidence that the assumption is unwarranted? The assumption that I am talking about human health |
say non to GM - Join the Tractors & Trolley Parade - Monday 13th October 2003 London
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... I take it that you don't believe in the efficacy of weeding your garden. It must be a sad, weedy lot. Strange attitude. Theres all sorts of strange things growing in my garden. No doubt you'd hate the wasp farm at the bottom of my garden too. ie. more extreme control and more extreme monoculture. Why bring monoculture into the argument? The use of glyphosate and pursuing a practice of monoculture are separate questions. By no means. Most of the real arguments about GM are about how we are led further down the garden path in that respect. And WTF are you doing growing glyphosate resistant plants if you do not want a savage monoculture? |
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