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Aquatic Effects
Seston is particulate matter of organic origin suspended in water,
usually detritus from surrounding bush and forest. It adsorbs
glyphosate much more readily than soil particles. However, this
adsorption can complex the chemical so that it can move into the
aquatic environment by erosion. This changes the effect of the
compound on aquatic organisms and it can alter the rate of chemical
and biological degradation.

Several studies have been done on aquatic organisms. However, low
concentrations of chemicals in the aqueous environment often can be
excreted by most aquatic organisms without adverse effect to either
themselves or the community in which they live. For these reasons, in
these studies, it becomes difficult to interpret the data. In
general, several studies reported that the increased toxicity of
Roundup is due to the surfactant (MON 0818) present in the
formulation. Evidence of the combined effect of glyphosate and the
surfactant showed an increasing effect to sockeye salmon, rainbow
trout and coho salmon. The investigators reported a 4.8 fold increase
in LC50 (for Roundup) as pH decreased from 7.5 to 6.5. The surfactant
was tested separately from glyphosate and found to be much more toxic
than glyphosate itself and even more toxic when combined.

Fish, amphibians and aquatic invertebrates are more sensitive to
glyphosate due to differences in toxicity between the salts and the
surfactants used in glyphosate-containing products. The toxicity is
increased with higher water temperatures, higher concentration and pH.
This toxicity can have a devastating effect on endangered species. In
Australia, guidelines state that most glyphosate-containing products
should not be used in or near water because of their toxic effects on
all aquatic species.

Studies conducted by the Department of Environmental Protection in
South West Australia in 1995 showed that tadpoles (which respire with
gills) were more sensitive to the full formulation than adult frogs.
The tadpoles were also considerably more sensitive to the formulation
of Roundup 360 than to technical grade glyphosate. Some surfactants
affect aquatic organisms by damaging the gill membrane. Frogs and
other aquatic organisms are exposed to herbicides through runoff or
overspray from treated areas adjacent to wetlands. LC50 values for
adult frogs in shallow water indicate there may be little difference
between lethal and non-lethal concentrations.

Fish - Both glyphosate and glyphosate-containing products are acutely
toxic to fish. However, glyphosate alone is less toxic than the
glyphosate product such as Roundup. Other glyphosate-containing
products have intermediate toxicity. The surfactant in Roundup causes
toxicity to fish and it is about 30 times more toxic to fish than
glyphosate itself. Acute toxicities of glyphosate alone varies. The
median lethal concentration (LD50) ranges from 10ppm to over 1000ppm
have been reported depending on the types of fish and test conditions.
Acute toxicities of glyphosate-containing products such as Roundup to
fish range from an LC50 of 52ppm. However, there are factors that are
important in determining the toxicity of glyphosate or
glyphosate-containing products to fish. They include;

Different species of fish have different susceptibilities. For
example, pink or chum salmon are less tolerant of glyphosate than coho
and chinook salmon.

Water quality.
Glyphosate is 20 times more toxic to rainbow trout in soft water than
is glyphosate in hard water.


Age.
Juveniles are often more susceptible than adults. For example,
Roundup is 4 times more toxic to rainbow trout fry and fingerlings
than it is to larger fish.


Nutrition/diet.
Hungry fishes are more susceptible to glyphosate than fed fish.
Glyphosate toxicity increases with increasing water temperature, pH
and concentration. For example, the toxicity of both rainbow trout
and bluegills increased with increasing temperature. Roundup was
twice as toxic to rainbow trout at 17?C than at 7?C. Roundup was more
toxic to both rainbow trout and bluegills at higher pH and even more
so if pH exceeds 7.5.
Human Effects
As with all mammals and aquatic organisms, glyphosate obviously
affects humans. Humans do not normally suffer acute toxicity from
glyphosate, however acute toxicity was first widely publicised by
physicians in Japan who studied 56 cases of Roundup poisoning. Many
of the cases were suicides. Symptoms showed in humans were
gastrointestinal pain, vomiting, excess fluid in the lungs, pneumonia,
clouding of consciousness and destruction of red blood cells. The
mean calculated in these cases was more than 200 millilitres (about ?
of a cup). It was believed that the surfactant in the product Roundup
caused the toxicity. There were also similar symptoms found such as
lung congestion or dysfunction, erosion of the gastrointestinal tract,
abnormal electrocardiograms, massive gastrointestinal fluid loss, low
blood pressure and kidney damage or failure. However, these are
caused by larger amounts of Roundup.

Smaller amounts of Roundup or glyphosate-containing products also
cause less lethal effects. Most incidents reported in humans have
involved skin or eye irritation. These are general cases and are
mainly confined to farmers or agricultural workers and especially
manufacturers’ workers. Nausea and dizziness have also been reported
after exposure. Swallowing the Roundup formulation caused mouth and
throat irritation, vomiting, low blood pressure, pain in the abdomen,
and reduced urine output. The amount swallowed was about 100
millilitres (about ? a cup).

The most important ways that people come in contact with glyphosate
are through work place exposure, eating of contaminated food, exposure
caused by off-target movement following application (drift), contact
with contaminated soil and drinking or bathing in contaminated water.

Conclusion
Glyphosate-containing products can be effective tools in weed control
programs. However, they are acutely toxic to terrestrial and aquatic
organisms as well as to humans. Laboratory studies have identified
effects of glyphosate-containing products in all standard categories
of toxicological testing. When glyphosate is added to the
environment, a chain of contamination is effected in all parts of the
environment including soil-water effects, ecological effects and human
health effects. Results of environmental fate studies clearly
indicate that if glyphosate is bound to soil particles it can have
serious effects on the environment because microbial activity is
unable to biodegrade it. Since glyphosate is being marketed as a safe
environmentally friendly product, there is a danger to non-target
plants as well as endangered plants and animal species. Habitat
damage and destruction will increase and food crops will be put at
risk. Glyphosate can be seriously detrimental to all living
organisms. Most importantly, all herbicide users should be aware of
the environmental effects involved.

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In article m,
"" wrote:

Several studies have been done on aquatic organisms. However, low
concentrations of chemicals in the aqueous environment often can be
excreted by most aquatic organisms without adverse effect to either
themselves or the community in which they live. For these reasons, in
these studies, it becomes difficult to interpret the data. In
general, several studies reported that the increased toxicity of
Roundup is due to the surfactant (MON 0818) present in the
formulation. Evidence of the combined effect of glyphosate and the
surfactant showed an increasing effect to sockeye salmon, rainbow
trout and coho salmon. The investigators reported a 4.8 fold increase
in LC50 (for Roundup) as pH decreased from 7.5 to 6.5. The surfactant
was tested separately from glyphosate and found to be much more toxic
than glyphosate itself and even more toxic when combined.


Read that, think about it. Particularly the third sentence. Then if you
still don't understand the question we can talk about it. This is not an
answer to the original question. It may be a reason to look for lower
toxicity detergents for use with herbicides, but it is not an argument
against herbicides.

If you carry this to its logical conclusion we should be boycotting
Unilever for all that dishwashing detergent it sells to consumers
unaware of the incipient environmental dangers. After all, a good
scouring with sand can get dishes clean. But of course universal
replacement of detergents with sand scouring would cause unacceptable
pressure on sources of sand. Oh, the dilemmas of modern life.....

Peter

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On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:54:29 +0100, Peter Ashby
wrote:

In article m,
"" wrote:

Several studies have been done on aquatic organisms. However, low
concentrations of chemicals in the aqueous environment often can be
excreted by most aquatic organisms without adverse effect to either
themselves or the community in which they live. For these reasons, in
these studies, it becomes difficult to interpret the data. In
general, several studies reported that the increased toxicity of
Roundup is due to the surfactant (MON 0818) present in the
formulation. Evidence of the combined effect of glyphosate and the
surfactant showed an increasing effect to sockeye salmon, rainbow
trout and coho salmon. The investigators reported a 4.8 fold increase
in LC50 (for Roundup) as pH decreased from 7.5 to 6.5. The surfactant
was tested separately from glyphosate and found to be much more toxic
than glyphosate itself and even more toxic when combined.


Read that, think about it. Particularly the third sentence. Then if you
still don't understand the question we can talk about it. This is not an
answer to the original question. It may be a reason to look for lower
toxicity detergents for use with herbicides, but it is not an argument
against herbicides.


I'd rather not play with words, risk my life playing Russian Roulette.
the world can live without glyphosate thanks.

If you carry this to its logical conclusion we should be boycotting
Unilever for all that dishwashing detergent it sells to consumers
unaware of the incipient environmental dangers.


Many of us already do boycott unilever and other companies who are
destroying the planet.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uni...-8&hl=en&meta=

After all, a good
scouring with sand can get dishes clean. But of course universal
replacement of detergents with sand scouring would cause unacceptable
pressure on sources of sand. Oh, the dilemmas of modern life.....


Not really. 99% of cleaning can be done without poisoning the planet
with highly toxic, noxious substances. You might be a fairy fan, I'm
not. You may not care about a future for the kids, thankfully some of
us do.


Ignorance is bliss huh?



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s.com...

[Snip]

I'd rather not play with words, risk my life playing Russian Roulette.
the world can live without glyphosate thanks.


I am surprised that you risk sitting in frony of a computer. Did you know
that high energy electrons suddenly brought to rest by striking an object
emit X-Rays? Did you know that there is an intense electron beam in your
monitor which initiates X-Rays travelling more or less directly at you?

I am surprised that you use electricity at all, considering that there are
those of your ilk who think weak EM fields are harmful.

I am surprised that you use a mobile, considering that there are
Radiofre1quency fields associated with mobiles.

I am surprised that you would sit in front of a coal or a wood fire,
considering that both these emit more radioactive contamination into the
atmosphere (per useful Kwh) than a nuclear power station.

I am surprised that you appear not to be aware of the carcinogens emitted by
coal and wood fires.

To be blunt: You have not a clue what is what in the world.

And quit spamming your nonsense to half the newsgroups in the world.

Franz



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s.com...
See the full story

http://www.ecwa.asn.au/info/glyphosb.html



Aquatic Effects
Seston is particulate matter of organic origin suspended in water,
usually detritus from surrounding bush and forest. It adsorbs
glyphosate much more readily than soil particles. However, this
adsorption can complex the chemical so that it can move into the
aquatic environment by erosion. This changes the effect of the
compound on aquatic organisms and it can alter the rate of chemical
and biological degradation.

Several studies have been done on aquatic organisms.


So what? Roundup is supposed to be used as a herbicide *on land*. How is
it supposed to get into the water? Remember that it is deactivated mighty
quickly when it gets into the soil.

However, low
concentrations of chemicals in the aqueous environment often can be
excreted by most aquatic organisms without adverse effect to either
themselves or the community in which they live. For these reasons, in
these studies, it becomes difficult to interpret the data. In
general, several studies reported that the increased toxicity of
Roundup is due to the surfactant (MON 0818) present in the
formulation.


Would that be the same surfactant which is used in washing liquids?

[snip]

How long did it take you to copy that from wherever you found it.
What on earth does that gaebage have to do with thre use of glyphosate as a
herbicide on terrestrial plants?

You must be truly short of a case if you have had to resort to copying all
that here.

Franz




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Old 01-10-2003, 10:32 PM
 
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:08:09 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


wrote in message
ws.com...

[Snip]

I'd rather not play with words, risk my life playing Russian Roulette.
the world can live without glyphosate thanks.


I am surprised that you risk sitting in frony of a computer. Did you know
that high energy electrons suddenly brought to rest by striking an object
emit X-Rays? Did you know that there is an intense electron beam in your
monitor which initiates X-Rays travelling more or less directly at you?


What I do to myself, whilst not affecting other species or
environments is my choice. I'd rather live in a cave, but I enjoy
taking the **** out of saunby too much.

I am surprised that you use electricity at all, considering that there are
those of your ilk who think weak EM fields are harmful.


They are, but once again if I self harm, my choice.

I am surprised that you use a mobile, considering that there are
Radiofre1quency fields associated with mobiles.


Well there you go.

I am surprised that you would sit in front of a coal or a wood fire,
considering that both these emit more radioactive contamination into the
atmosphere (per useful Kwh) than a nuclear power station.


Crap.

I am surprised that you appear not to be aware of the carcinogens emitted by
coal and wood fires.


I am.

To be blunt: You have not a clue what is what in the world.


No Fritz, you're the clueless prick who doesn't mind making other
species suffer.

And quit spamming your nonsense to half the newsgroups in the world.


It's not spam, it's education. You're learning fritz.


. . . . . . . .





The facts expressed here belong to everybody,
the opinions to me.
The distinction is yours to draw...

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pete who?

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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:08:11 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


wrote in message
ws.com...
See the full story

http://www.ecwa.asn.au/info/glyphosb.html



Aquatic Effects
Seston is particulate matter of organic origin suspended in water,
usually detritus from surrounding bush and forest. It adsorbs
glyphosate much more readily than soil particles. However, this
adsorption can complex the chemical so that it can move into the
aquatic environment by erosion. This changes the effect of the
compound on aquatic organisms and it can alter the rate of chemical
and biological degradation.

Several studies have been done on aquatic organisms.


So what? Roundup is supposed to be used as a herbicide *on land*. How is
it supposed to get into the water? Remember that it is deactivated mighty
quickly when it gets into the soil.


Fritz, you're thicker than a devon toffee, can you actually read?

However, low
concentrations of chemicals in the aqueous environment often can be
excreted by most aquatic organisms without adverse effect to either
themselves or the community in which they live. For these reasons, in
these studies, it becomes difficult to interpret the data. In
general, several studies reported that the increased toxicity of
Roundup is due to the surfactant (MON 0818) present in the
formulation.


Would that be the same surfactant which is used in washing liquids?

[snip]

How long did it take you to copy that from wherever you found it.
What on earth does that gaebage have to do with thre use of glyphosate as a
herbicide on terrestrial plants?

You must be truly short of a case if you have had to resort to copying all
that here.


Poor Fritz, no wonder you lost the war.
can I talk about the war now?



. . . . . . . .





The facts expressed here belong to everybody,
the opinions to me.
The distinction is yours to draw...

/( )`
\ \___ / |
/- _ `-/ '
(/\/ \ \ /\
/ / | ` \
O O ) / |
`-^--'` '
(_.) _ ) /
`.___/` /
`-----' /
----. __ / __ \
----|====O)))==) \) /====
----' `--' `.__,' \
| |
\ /
______( (_ / \______
,' ,-----' | \
`--{__________) \/

I'm a horny devil when riled.


pete who?

-=[ Grim Reaper ]=- 6/97

.""--.._
[] `'--.._
||__ `'-,
`)||_ ```'--.. \
_ /|//} ``--._ |
.'` `'. /////} `\/
/ .""".\ //{///
/ /_ _`\\ // `||
| |(_)(_)|| _// ||
| | /\ )| _///\ ||
| |L====J | / |/ | ||
/ /'-..-' / .'` \ | ||
/ | :: | |_.-` | \ ||
/| `\-::.| | \ | ||
/` `| / | | | / ||
|` \ | / / \ | ||
| `\_| |/ ,.__. \ | ||
/ /` `\ || ||
| . / \|| ||
| | |/ ||
/ / | ( ||
/ . / ) ||
| \ | ||
/ | / ||
|\ / | ||
\ `-._ | / ||
\ ,//`\ /` | ||
///\ \ | \ ||
|||| ) |__/ | ||
|||| `.( | ||
`\\` /` / ||
/` / ||
jgs / | ||
| \ ||
/ | ||
/` \ ||
/` | ||
`-.___,-. .-. ___,' ||
`---'` `'----'`
I need a drink, feel all giddy...hic!
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Old 01-10-2003, 10:46 PM
 
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:25:03 +0100, Bernard Hill
wrote:

In article , Franz Heymann notfranz.
writes

To be blunt: You have not a clue what is what in the world.

And quit spamming your nonsense to half the newsgroups in the world.

Franz


Oh! The light has suddenly dawned. I read "glycophosphate" for
"glyphosphate" and really couldn't see the connection with my weak knees
- I take 1g of sodium glycophosphate a day and am pretty sure it's
helping.


How many shorts you had with that?


. . . . . . . .





The facts expressed here belong to everybody,
the opinions to me.
The distinction is yours to draw...

/( )`
\ \___ / |
/- _ `-/ '
(/\/ \ \ /\
/ / | ` \
O O ) / |
`-^--'` '
(_.) _ ) /
`.___/` /
`-----' /
----. __ / __ \
----|====O)))==) \) /====
----' `--' `.__,' \
| |
\ /
______( (_ / \______
,' ,-----' | \
`--{__________) \/

I'm a horny devil when riled.


pete who?

-=[ Grim Reaper ]=- 6/97

.""--.._
[] `'--.._
||__ `'-,
`)||_ ```'--.. \
_ /|//} ``--._ |
.'` `'. /////} `\/
/ .""".\ //{///
/ /_ _`\\ // `||
| |(_)(_)|| _// ||
| | /\ )| _///\ ||
| |L====J | / |/ | ||
/ /'-..-' / .'` \ | ||
/ | :: | |_.-` | \ ||
/| `\-::.| | \ | ||
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"Peter wrote in message replying to "Pete the AR fundementalist's" usual
type of crossposted OT post ... (snipped)

.. After all, a good
scouring with sand can get dishes clean. But of course universal
replacement of detergents with sand scouring would cause unacceptable
pressure on sources of sand. Oh, the dilemmas of modern life.....


Well in certain parts of Nepal the women come out after a good downpour and
scrub their dishes and pots with the black mud at the bottom of the (now
scoured) open sewer. Gets them nice and shiny. I know, I've seen it happen.

Eat anything at your peril. :-)

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Old 02-10-2003, 07:56 AM
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In message m, ""
writes
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:54:29 +0100, Peter Ashby
wrote:

In article m,
"" wrote:

general, several studies reported that the increased toxicity of
Roundup is due to the surfactant (MON 0818) present in the
formulation.


Which parts of these sentences do you NOT understand ?

The surfactant
was tested separately from glyphosate and found to be much more toxic
than glyphosate itself and even more toxic when combined.


The serious problem is not with the glyphosate but with the wetting
agents.

Pure glyphosate has roughly about the same toxicity in humans as the
caffeine in coffee.

Read that, think about it. Particularly the third sentence. Then if you
still don't understand the question we can talk about it. This is not an
answer to the original question. It may be a reason to look for lower
toxicity detergents for use with herbicides, but it is not an argument
against herbicides.


I'd rather not play with words, risk my life playing Russian Roulette.
the world can live without glyphosate thanks.


It could live without car washes and dishwashing machines too. And they
probably cause a lot more environmental damage by using similarly
vicious surfactants. And discharging straight into the foul water drains
every day.

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In article , Bob Hobden
writes

"Peter wrote in message replying to "Pete the AR fundementalist's" usual
type of crossposted OT post ... (snipped)

. After all, a good
scouring with sand can get dishes clean. But of course universal
replacement of detergents with sand scouring would cause unacceptable
pressure on sources of sand. Oh, the dilemmas of modern life.....


Well in certain parts of Nepal the women come out after a good downpour and
scrub their dishes and pots with the black mud at the bottom of the (now
scoured) open sewer. Gets them nice and shiny. I know, I've seen it happen.

Eat anything at your peril. :-)


But then by the time the dahl bhaat has boiled long enough to get
cooked, any bugs will be well cooked as well. ;-)



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Old 02-10-2003, 08:48 AM
 
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On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:47:14 +0100, Martin Brown
strolled along and threw his dollies from
the pram when he wrote:

In message m, ""
writes
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:54:29 +0100, Peter Ashby
wrote:

In article m,
"" wrote:

general, several studies reported that the increased toxicity of
Roundup is due to the surfactant (MON 0818) present in the
formulation.


Which parts of these sentences do you NOT understand ?
The surfactant
was tested separately from glyphosate and found to be much more toxic
than glyphosate itself and even more toxic when combined.


The serious problem is not with the glyphosate but with the wetting
agents.


No, the serious problem is glyphosate and whatever it contains as a
package, not individual components DUH, when you buy glyphosate do you
get the option of not using the wetting agents? no you don't dimbulb,
so why are you splitting it up!

Pure glyphosate has roughly about the same toxicity in humans as the
caffeine in coffee.


Pure bullshit.

Read that, think about it. Particularly the third sentence. Then if you
still don't understand the question we can talk about it. This is not an
answer to the original question. It may be a reason to look for lower
toxicity detergents for use with herbicides, but it is not an argument
against herbicides.


I'd rather not play with words, risk my life playing Russian Roulette.
the world can live without glyphosate thanks.


It could live without car washes and dishwashing machines too. And they
probably cause a lot more environmental damage by using similarly
vicious surfactants. And discharging straight into the foul water drains
every day.


More bullshit.

[Troller's long newsgroup list trimmed somewhat]


Ask before you edit someone else's posts trollshit.

Trimming put right back where it belongs.

Regards,


Up yours too.



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