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Getting rid of ground elder
In article , Jane Ransom
writes In article , Nick Wagg writes Eh??????? It's one of these super weeds like JKN and is notifiable!!! That's what I thought, but whom should we notify, please? Department of the Environment - or whatever official title it lives under these days!! DEFRA - No - they don't want to be notified if you have it. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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Getting rid of ground elder
In article , martin
writes On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:01:15 +0100, Kay Easton wrote: In article , martin writes On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:22:24 +0100, Nick Wagg wrote: Jane Ransom wrote: Eh??????? It's one of these super weeds like JKN and is notifiable!!! That's what I thought, but whom should we notify, please? The HS&E. Where did you get that bit of information from, please? Google I didn't save the URL and I can't find it again. Last time it was discussed in http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/showth...?threadid=8917 the local council appeared to be the place. Thanks for the urls you posted - quite a helpful set. But they merely put it on the same level as, eg, grey squirrel, and I can just imagine the reaction of the local council if you phoned to notify them you had grey squirrels in the garden ;-) I know it's covered by the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, but that just makes it illegal to release it into the wild. It doesn't make it illegal to grow it - though if you were to grow it and allow it to set seed, that would both be irresponsible and make it very likely you would break the law. But I can't find any suggestion anywhere that is notifiable - like Colorado beetle used to be when I was young. Mr. Sainsbury [holding answer 22 October 1990] : No. There are currently no plans to ban the import or sale of seeds of Heracleum Mantegazzianum. And if it were notifiable they'd hardly allow the sale of seeds. it could be quite expensive having a garden or field full of giant hogweed No. Not having a garden full - that is allowed. But if you let it spread outside the garden it could indeed be expensive. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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Getting rid of ground elder
In article , martin writes On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:01:15 +0100, Kay Easton wrote: In article , martin writes On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:22:24 +0100, Nick Wagg wrote: Jane Ransom wrote: In article , Kay Easton writes Have you *really* got giant hogweed? The ordinary one grows 5-6 ft. But if giant, lucky you! - Eh??????? It's one of these super weeds like JKN and is notifiable!!! That's what I thought, but whom should we notify, please? The HS&E. Where did you get that bit of information from, please? The scope of the ban is in http://www.parliament.the-stationery...990/cmhansrd/1 990-10-25/Writtens-1.html "Giant Hogweed Mrs. Margaret Ewing : To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he will take steps to ban the import and sale of seeds of Heracleum Mantegazzianum. Mr. Sainsbury [holding answer 22 October 1990] : No. There are currently no plans to ban the import or sale of seeds of Heracleum Mantegazzianum. However, under section 14(2) of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, it is an offence for any person to plant or to otherwise cause to grow in the wild any plant which is included in part 2 of schedule 9 to the Act. Giant hogweed (Heracleum Mantegazzianum) is listed in the schedule." Note the words "in the wild". Private gardens are not classed as "in the wild". Details of section 14(2) of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 at http://www.defra.gov.uk/paw/publications/law/5_1_7.htm and for list of banned flora and fauna http://www.defra.gov.uk/paw/publicat...w/appenda9.htm it could be quite expensive having a garden or field full of giant hogweed A field perhaps, but not a private garden. -- Malcolm Ogilvie |
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:28:14 +0100, Malcolm Ogilvie
wrote: The scope of the ban is in http://www.parliament.the-stationery...990/cmhansrd/1 990-10-25/Writtens-1.html "Giant Hogweed Mrs. Margaret Ewing : To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he will take steps to ban the import and sale of seeds of Heracleum Mantegazzianum. Mr. Sainsbury [holding answer 22 October 1990] : No. There are currently no plans to ban the import or sale of seeds of Heracleum Mantegazzianum. However, under section 14(2) of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, it is an offence for any person to plant or to otherwise cause to grow in the wild any plant which is included in part 2 of schedule 9 to the Act. Giant hogweed (Heracleum Mantegazzianum) is listed in the schedule." Note the words "in the wild". Private gardens are not classed as "in the wild". Odd because it says quite clearly "garden" in http://www.defra.gov.uk/paw/publications/law/5_1_7.htm "NOTE: This offence is similar to the one relating to animals (section 14(1) though it only applies to plants on the list and not the non-native plants generally. The latter would be impossible as virtually every garden in the country is stocked with mainly non-native plants" Details of section 14(2) of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 at http://www.defra.gov.uk/paw/publications/law/5_1_7.htm and for list of banned flora and fauna http://www.defra.gov.uk/paw/publicat...w/appenda9.htm it could be quite expensive having a garden or field full of giant hogweed A field perhaps, but not a private garden. -- Martin |
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:29:52 +0100, Kay Easton
wrote: or have it growing on your land! Where does it say that? sse the link to the act. -- Martin |
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:30:03 +0100, Kay Easton
wrote: In article , martin writes On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:01:15 +0100, Kay Easton wrote: In article , martin writes On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:22:24 +0100, Nick Wagg wrote: Jane Ransom wrote: Eh??????? It's one of these super weeds like JKN and is notifiable!!! That's what I thought, but whom should we notify, please? The HS&E. Where did you get that bit of information from, please? Google I didn't save the URL and I can't find it again. Last time it was discussed in http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/showth...?threadid=8917 the local council appeared to be the place. Thanks for the urls you posted - quite a helpful set. But they merely put it on the same level as, eg, grey squirrel, and I can just imagine the reaction of the local council if you phoned to notify them you had grey squirrels in the garden ;-) :-) -- Martin |
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In article , martin
writes On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:28:14 +0100, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote: The scope of the ban is in http://www.parliament.the-stationery...990/cmhansrd/1 990-10-25/Writtens-1.html "Giant Hogweed Mrs. Margaret Ewing : To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he will take steps to ban the import and sale of seeds of Heracleum Mantegazzianum. Mr. Sainsbury [holding answer 22 October 1990] : No. There are currently no plans to ban the import or sale of seeds of Heracleum Mantegazzianum. However, under section 14(2) of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, it is an offence for any person to plant or to otherwise cause to grow in the wild any plant which is included in part 2 of schedule 9 to the Act. Giant hogweed (Heracleum Mantegazzianum) is listed in the schedule." Note the words "in the wild". Private gardens are not classed as "in the wild". Odd because it says quite clearly "garden" in http://www.defra.gov.uk/paw/publications/law/5_1_7.htm "NOTE: This offence is similar to the one relating to animals (section 14(1) though it only applies to plants on the list and not the non-native plants generally. The latter would be impossible as virtually every garden in the country is stocked with mainly non-native plants" And exactly where in that does it say that you cannot grow giant hogweed in a private garden? Or that a garden is part of 'the wild'? -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , martin
writes On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:29:52 +0100, Kay Easton wrote: or have it growing on your land! Where does it say that? sse the link to the act. I have seen the link to the Act. I have crawled through both the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, and the Weeds Act 1959, and in neither of them can I find anything which makes it an offence to grow giant hogweed on your own land (as opposed to releasing it or allowing it to be released into the wild) That is why I am asking you where you have obtained your information, because it is not in the links you have posted, nor in anything I can find on the DEFRA site. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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The message
from Janet Tweedy contains these words: What about covering the ground with black Thingy and putting half grown bulbs through the plastic later on Janet? If you mulched the ground thickly as well you might get away with stopping the ground elder coming through if a lot has been taken away. I did try it on one bed of my vegetable area but sad to say the mulch is now four foot tall and contains two carpet layers, two layers of very thick newspaper and lots of grass clipping etc and STILL the ground elder comes through................. Sigh .............. Covering ground with black plastic, or carpet, to clean ground of serious perennial weeds like GE, requires that all light is excluded. Holes in the plastic let light in, shoots will emerge through them and photosynthesise to feed and multiply the roots below. I see no point mulching on top of a non-degradable or incredibly slow degrading soil-barrier such as plastic or carpet. Janet. |
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In article , martin writes On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:28:14 +0100, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote: The scope of the ban is in http://www.parliament.the-stationery...990/cmhansrd/1 990-10-25/Writtens-1.html "Giant Hogweed Mrs. Margaret Ewing : To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he will take steps to ban the import and sale of seeds of Heracleum Mantegazzianum. Mr. Sainsbury [holding answer 22 October 1990] : No. There are currently no plans to ban the import or sale of seeds of Heracleum Mantegazzianum. However, under section 14(2) of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, it is an offence for any person to plant or to otherwise cause to grow in the wild any plant which is included in part 2 of schedule 9 to the Act. Giant hogweed (Heracleum Mantegazzianum) is listed in the schedule." Note the words "in the wild". Private gardens are not classed as "in the wild". Odd because it says quite clearly "garden" in http://www.defra.gov.uk/paw/publications/law/5_1_7.htm "NOTE: This offence is similar to the one relating to animals (section 14(1) though it only applies to plants on the list and not the non-native plants generally. The latter would be impossible as virtually every garden in the country is stocked with mainly non-native plants" So it does, but where does it say that a private garden is "in the wild" or that growing giant hogweed in a garden is against the law, which is what you appear to be claiming! Note, too, the Defence for this clause: "It is a defence to a charge of committing offences under section 14 for a person to prove that he took all reasonable steps and exercised all due diligence to avoid committing the offence." -- Malcolm Ogilvie |
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In article , martin
writes Yes, I wouldn't advocate geting it out anywhere near one.... I still remember a close encounter with an electric fence in the dark ... Oh ouch.......... what did they 'charge' you with then? Ho ho -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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Getting rid of ground elder
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:01:00 +0100, Kay Easton
wrote: In article , martin writes On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:28:14 +0100, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote: The scope of the ban is in http://www.parliament.the-stationery...990/cmhansrd/1 990-10-25/Writtens-1.html "Giant Hogweed Mrs. Margaret Ewing : To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he will take steps to ban the import and sale of seeds of Heracleum Mantegazzianum. Mr. Sainsbury [holding answer 22 October 1990] : No. There are currently no plans to ban the import or sale of seeds of Heracleum Mantegazzianum. However, under section 14(2) of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, it is an offence for any person to plant or to otherwise cause to grow in the wild any plant which is included in part 2 of schedule 9 to the Act. Giant hogweed (Heracleum Mantegazzianum) is listed in the schedule." Note the words "in the wild". Private gardens are not classed as "in the wild". Odd because it says quite clearly "garden" in http://www.defra.gov.uk/paw/publications/law/5_1_7.htm "NOTE: This offence is similar to the one relating to animals (section 14(1) though it only applies to plants on the list and not the non-native plants generally. The latter would be impossible as virtually every garden in the country is stocked with mainly non-native plants" And exactly where in that does it say that you cannot grow giant hogweed in a private garden? You are not allowed to grow giant hog weeds anywhere. That's the whole point of the act. Or that a garden is part of 'the wild'? Would they use "garden" in the example if it didn't apply to gardens? -- Martin |
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:47:24 +0100, Janet Tweedy
wrote: In article , martin writes Yes, I wouldn't advocate geting it out anywhere near one.... I still remember a close encounter with an electric fence in the dark ... Oh ouch.......... what did they 'charge' you with then? Ho ho It wasn't me, that had the close encounter. -- Martin |
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The message
from martin contains these words: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:16:53 +0100, Jaques d'Altrades wrote: The message from Sacha contains these words: Few people can get near it without skin problems. A friend of ours became very ill after trying to get his out and suffered for quite some time. Be, very, very careful. Yes, I wouldn't advocate geting it out anywhere near one.... I still remember a close encounter with an electric fence in the dark Hmmm. Last year a ten-year-old boy unmolished himself by ipssnig off a railway bridge onto overhead electric power lines. -- Rusty Hinge horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm |
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The message
from Janet Baraclough contains these words: Covering ground with black plastic, or carpet, to clean ground of serious perennial weeds like GE, requires that all light is excluded. Holes in the plastic let light in, shoots will emerge through them and photosynthesise to feed and multiply the roots below. I see no point mulching on top of a non-degradable or incredibly slow degrading soil-barrier such as plastic or carpet. Oh, I can. One of my friends had a plot of almost virgin clay, covered in rank and weedy weeds. He covered it with throwouts from the greengrocer for months, then capped it with bales of straw and old carpet on top of that, all soaked during the construction with the contents of his netty. Then he covered the lot with thick plack polythene and left it for two years. The ground is free of weeds, even the seeds having been cooked in the initial composting, and the worms turned it all into good deep friable loam. So, even a little (compostable) mulch will be beneficial. I'm doing a simiar trick with my garden, a bit at a time. -- Rusty Hinge horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm |
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