Can anyone help me??
I think jersey royals can be bought as first earlys, but under what name and
where?

Thanks in advance.

Elaine

"Stuart York" wrote in message
...
: Can anyone help me??
: I think jersey royals can be bought as first earlys, but under what name
and
: where?
:
: Thanks in advance.
:
: Elaine
:
:
Usually sold as

International Kidney
by
Mr Fothergill, T&M, et al.

Its the soil & seaweed in Jersey that give them the taste,
rather bland from my garden

Ted R

"Ted wrote in message ...
Usually sold as

International Kidney
by
Mr Fothergill, T&M, et al.

Its the soil & seaweed in Jersey that give them the taste,
rather bland from my garden


We have grown them in the past for a few years but as you say other First
Earlies have a better taste (Concorde.....) but I wonder if you gave the
International Kidneys some good doses of Seaweed Extract whilst growing if
that would bring out that wonderful "Jersey Royal" flavour. Perhaps I'll try
next season (if I remember) :-)

--
Regards
Bob

Use a useful Screen Saver...
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
and find intelligent life amongst the stars, there's bugger all down here.

"Ted wrote in message ...
Usually sold as

International Kidney
by
Mr Fothergill, T&M, et al.

Its the soil & seaweed in Jersey that give them the taste,
rather bland from my garden


We have grown them in the past for a few years but as you say other First
Earlies have a better taste (Concorde.....) but I wonder if you gave the
International Kidneys some good doses of Seaweed Extract whilst growing if
that would bring out that wonderful "Jersey Royal" flavour. Perhaps I'll try
next season (if I remember) :-)

Well of course, the old way of growing them in Jersey was to use vraic to
fertilise the ground (bladder wrack) and it's piled up in huge mounds in
autumn and winter storms - free to the farmer who cares to collect it. Not
many do, preferring to use inorganic fertilisers and I am absolutely certain
that those are the reason Jerseys don't taste the way they once did. Some
friends of mine do grow them using seaweed and the difference in taste is
worlds apart. They also benefit from milder winters and those grown on the
cotils (steeply sloping cultivated plots, often near the sea) which face
south or west do better still.
Of course, it used to be said that you couldn't grow Royals well outside
Jersey.... ;-)
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
:
: "Ted wrote in message ...
: Usually sold as
:
: International Kidney
: by
: Mr Fothergill, T&M, et al.
:
: Its the soil & seaweed in Jersey that give them the taste,
: rather bland from my garden
:
:
: We have grown them in the past for a few years but as you say other First
: Earlies have a better taste (Concorde.....) but I wonder if you gave the
: International Kidneys some good doses of Seaweed Extract whilst growing if
: that would bring out that wonderful "Jersey Royal" flavour. Perhaps I'll
try
: next season (if I remember) :-)
:
: --
: Regards
: Bob
:
: Use a useful Screen Saver...
: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
: and find intelligent life amongst the stars, there's bugger all down here.
:
:
I too had thought of using Seaweed Extract this year to give it a try.
Can't use Calcifide Seaweed as it is basically lime.

Ted R

"Ted Richardson" wrote in message news:...
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: "Bob Hobden" wrote in message
: ...
: :
: : "Ted wrote in message ...
: : Usually sold as
: :
: : International Kidney
: : by
: : Mr Fothergill, T&M, et al.
: :
: : Its the soil & seaweed in Jersey that give them the taste,
: : rather bland from my garden
: :
: :
: : We have grown them in the past for a few years but as you say other
First
: : Earlies have a better taste (Concorde.....) but I wonder if you gave the
: : International Kidneys some good doses of Seaweed Extract whilst growing
if
: : that would bring out that wonderful "Jersey Royal" flavour. Perhaps I'll
: try
: : next season (if I remember) :-)
: :
: : --
: : Regards
: : Bob
: :
: : Use a useful Screen Saver...
: : http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
: : and find intelligent life amongst the stars, there's bugger all down
here.
: :
: :
: I too had thought of using Seaweed Extract this year to give it a try.
: Can't use Calcifide Seaweed as it is basically lime.
:
: Ted R
:
: Sorri - I can't spell.

"Sacha" wrote in message ...((snip))

Well of course, the old way of growing them in Jersey was to use vraic to
fertilise the ground (bladder wrack) and it's piled up in huge mounds in
autumn and winter storms - free to the farmer who cares to collect it.

Did they used to wash it before use or leave it in the rain to wash the salt
out or was it used salt and all straight from the beach?


Not
many do, preferring to use inorganic fertilisers and I am absolutely
certain
that those are the reason Jerseys don't taste the way they once did.

Quite, it's why nothing has much taste these days and also why cut flowers,
especially spray carnations, often have no smell. Grown too quick and soft.

Some
friends of mine do grow them using seaweed and the difference in taste is
worlds apart. They also benefit from milder winters and those grown on
the
cotils (steeply sloping cultivated plots, often near the sea) which face
south or west do better still.
Of course, it used to be said that you couldn't grow Royals well outside
Jersey.... ;-)

Well that's not wrong so it seems, but even some of those we have bought in
the last few years haven't tasted any different from the ones we have grown
ourselves. That seaweed has to be responsible for a significant part of the
taste.

--
Regards
Bob

Use a useful Screen Saver...
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
and find intelligent life amongst the stars, there's bugger all down here.

"Sacha" wrote in message ...((snip))

Well of course, the old way of growing them in Jersey was to use vraic to
fertilise the ground (bladder wrack) and it's piled up in huge mounds in
autumn and winter storms - free to the farmer who cares to collect it.

Did they used to wash it before use or leave it in the rain to wash the salt
out or was it used salt and all straight from the beach?

I think it was piled up so that the rain could wash the salt out and then it
was used but when I next talk to my farming friends there, I'll check. It
just doesn't seem likely that much salt would be a good idea!


Not
many do, preferring to use inorganic fertilisers and I am absolutely
certain
that those are the reason Jerseys don't taste the way they once did.

Quite, it's why nothing has much taste these days and also why cut flowers,
especially spray carnations, often have no smell. Grown too quick and soft.

I can become almost apoplectic on the subject of supermarket 'tomatoes',
with very few exceptions.

Some
friends of mine do grow them using seaweed and the difference in taste is
worlds apart. snip

Well that's not wrong so it seems, but even some of those we have bought in
the last few years haven't tasted any different from the ones we have grown
ourselves. That seaweed has to be responsible for a significant part of the
taste.

I'm sure of it, myself. As I say, at the time the Jersey Royal was
discovered, vraic was the normal fertiliser of the time. Of course, the
other thing is that the islands are granite - would that, perhaps, affect
the soil and therefore the taste? Connoisseurs swear that 'time past' they
could tell the difference between potatoes grown in different parts of the
island, too, according to how much sand in the soil, salt in the wind etc.

--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:50:40 -0000, "Bob Hobden"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message ...((snip))

Well of course, the old way of growing them in Jersey was to use vraic to
fertilise the ground (bladder wrack) and it's piled up in huge mounds in
autumn and winter storms - free to the farmer who cares to collect it.

Did they used to wash it before use or leave it in the rain to wash the salt
out or was it used salt and all straight from the beach?


Not
many do, preferring to use inorganic fertilisers and I am absolutely
certain
that those are the reason Jerseys don't taste the way they once did.

Quite, it's why nothing has much taste these days and also why cut flowers,
especially spray carnations, often have no smell. Grown too quick and soft.

Maybe it's more to do with us all getting old?
--
Martin

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 18:03:24 +0000, Sacha
wrote:




"Sacha" wrote in message ...((snip))

Well of course, the old way of growing them in Jersey was to use vraic to
fertilise the ground (bladder wrack) and it's piled up in huge mounds in
autumn and winter storms - free to the farmer who cares to collect it.

Did they used to wash it before use or leave it in the rain to wash the salt
out or was it used salt and all straight from the beach?

I think it was piled up so that the rain could wash the salt out and then it
was used but when I next talk to my farming friends there, I'll check. It
just doesn't seem likely that much salt would be a good idea!


Not
many do, preferring to use inorganic fertilisers and I am absolutely
certain
that those are the reason Jerseys don't taste the way they once did.

Quite, it's why nothing has much taste these days and also why cut flowers,
especially spray carnations, often have no smell. Grown too quick and soft.

I can become almost apoplectic on the subject of supermarket 'tomatoes',
with very few exceptions.

The ultimate is to go to Italy and discover restaurants using
tasteless Dutch greenhouse grown tomatoes.
--
Martin

The message
from "Bob Hobden" contains these words:


"Sacha" wrote in message ...((snip))

Well of course, the old way of growing them in Jersey was to use vraic to
fertilise the ground (bladder wrack) and it's piled up in huge mounds in
autumn and winter storms - free to the farmer who cares to collect it.

Did they used to wash it before use or leave it in the rain to wash the salt
out or was it used salt and all straight from the beach?

It's also a Scottish crofters method. Fresh off the beach in huge
quantities, dug in or mulched on top of the soil. In coastal areas,
there is so much airborne and rain borne salt constantly landing on soil
and plants,that any on seaweed makes no difference. I've applied tons of
seaweed with no problems and wonderful results.

Janet (Isle of Arran)

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:28:32 -0000, "Ted Richardson"
wrote:

~
~"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
~:
~: "Ted wrote in message ...
~: Usually sold as
~:
~: International Kidney
~: by
~: Mr Fothergill, T&M, et al.
~:
~: Its the soil & seaweed in Jersey that give them the taste,
~: rather bland from my garden
~:
~:
~: We have grown them in the past for a few years but as you say other First
~: Earlies have a better taste (Concorde.....) but I wonder if you gave the
~: International Kidneys some good doses of Seaweed Extract whilst growing if
~: that would bring out that wonderful "Jersey Royal" flavour. Perhaps I'll
~try
~: next season (if I remember) :-)
~:
~: --
~: Regards
~: Bob
~:
~: Use a useful Screen Saver...
~: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
~: and find intelligent life amongst the stars, there's bugger all down here.
~:
~:
~I too had thought of using Seaweed Extract this year to give it a try.
~Can't use Calcifide Seaweed as it is basically lime.

Funny this should arise... this is exactly what I did this year. I've
not grown spuds (deliberately!) before and since my Dad loves Jerseys,
I hatched a plan to fool him. Largely successfully, he liked the taste
and it wasn't until after the test meal was over that I told him what
they were.
The only thing against them I found was that they fell terribly, so
resorted to steaming them in the end. The worst scrapers were those
I'd picked over 3-4 days before, so cooked them whole and peeled the
skins off when hot.

I also did a blind taste test of some bought Jerseys and my Int
kidneys and my tester said he preferred mine (and as other halves go,
he'd tell me if he didn't!). Interestingly, the bought ones fell too.

I used Maxicrop every couple of weeks together with watering the rows
quite a lot as they suffered from the early drought conditions. Not
quite the same as adding vraic but the nearest I could get easily. And
in Chiltern chalk I have enough problems with scab without using
calcified seaweed as well!!!

I'm buying double quantities of seed spuds for next time (as I think I
said in the what are you growing next year thread :-) and keeping them
better watered as well - think this may have contributed to them
falling as they were a bit more floury than I expected.

Diary says they were set to chit 6th February, planted 21st March, and
first dug 20th June.

I must stress I don't have any other homegrown first earlies to
compare the taste with - just shop-boughts!




--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

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On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:28:32 -0000, "Ted Richardson"
wrote:

~
~"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
~:
~: "Ted wrote in message ...
~: Usually sold as
~:
~: International Kidney
~: by
~: Mr Fothergill, T&M, et al.
~:
~: Its the soil & seaweed in Jersey that give them the taste,
~: rather bland from my garden
~:
~:
~: We have grown them in the past for a few years but as you say other First
~: Earlies have a better taste (Concorde.....) but I wonder if you gave the
~: International Kidneys some good doses of Seaweed Extract whilst growing if
~: that would bring out that wonderful "Jersey Royal" flavour. Perhaps I'll
~try
~: next season (if I remember) :-)
~:
~: --
~: Regards
~: Bob
~:
~: Use a useful Screen Saver...
~: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
~: and find intelligent life amongst the stars, there's bugger all down here.
~:
~:
~I too had thought of using Seaweed Extract this year to give it a try.
~Can't use Calcifide Seaweed as it is basically lime.

Funny this should arise... this is exactly what I did this year. I've
not grown spuds (deliberately!) before and since my Dad loves Jerseys,
I hatched a plan to fool him. Largely successfully, he liked the taste
and it wasn't until after the test meal was over that I told him what
they were.
The only thing against them I found was that they fell terribly, so
resorted to steaming them in the end. The worst scrapers were those
I'd picked over 3-4 days before, so cooked them whole and peeled the
skins off when hot.

I also did a blind taste test of some bought Jerseys and my Int
kidneys and my tester said he preferred mine (and as other halves go,
he'd tell me if he didn't!). Interestingly, the bought ones fell too.

I used Maxicrop every couple of weeks together with watering the rows
quite a lot as they suffered from the early drought conditions. Not
quite the same as adding vraic but the nearest I could get easily. And
in Chiltern chalk I have enough problems with scab without using
calcified seaweed as well!!!

I'm buying double quantities of seed spuds for next time (as I think I
said in the what are you growing next year thread :-) and keeping them
better watered as well - think this may have contributed to them
falling as they were a bit more floury than I expected.

Diary says they were set to chit 6th February, planted 21st March, and
first dug 20th June.

I must stress I don't have any other homegrown first earlies to
compare the taste with - just shop-boughts!




--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:28:32 -0000, "Ted Richardson"
wrote:

~
~"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
~:
~: "Ted wrote in message ...
~: Usually sold as
~:
~: International Kidney
~: by
~: Mr Fothergill, T&M, et al.
~:
~: Its the soil & seaweed in Jersey that give them the taste,
~: rather bland from my garden
~:
~:
~: We have grown them in the past for a few years but as you say other First
~: Earlies have a better taste (Concorde.....) but I wonder if you gave the
~: International Kidneys some good doses of Seaweed Extract whilst growing if
~: that would bring out that wonderful "Jersey Royal" flavour. Perhaps I'll
~try
~: next season (if I remember) :-)
~:
~: --
~: Regards
~: Bob
~:
~: Use a useful Screen Saver...
~: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
~: and find intelligent life amongst the stars, there's bugger all down here.
~:
~:
~I too had thought of using Seaweed Extract this year to give it a try.
~Can't use Calcifide Seaweed as it is basically lime.

Funny this should arise... this is exactly what I did this year. I've
not grown spuds (deliberately!) before and since my Dad loves Jerseys,
I hatched a plan to fool him. Largely successfully, he liked the taste
and it wasn't until after the test meal was over that I told him what
they were.
The only thing against them I found was that they fell terribly, so
resorted to steaming them in the end. The worst scrapers were those
I'd picked over 3-4 days before, so cooked them whole and peeled the
skins off when hot.

I also did a blind taste test of some bought Jerseys and my Int
kidneys and my tester said he preferred mine (and as other halves go,
he'd tell me if he didn't!). Interestingly, the bought ones fell too.

I used Maxicrop every couple of weeks together with watering the rows
quite a lot as they suffered from the early drought conditions. Not
quite the same as adding vraic but the nearest I could get easily. And
in Chiltern chalk I have enough problems with scab without using
calcified seaweed as well!!!

I'm buying double quantities of seed spuds for next time (as I think I
said in the what are you growing next year thread :-) and keeping them
better watered as well - think this may have contributed to them
falling as they were a bit more floury than I expected.

Diary says they were set to chit 6th February, planted 21st March, and
first dug 20th June.

I must stress I don't have any other homegrown first earlies to
compare the taste with - just shop-boughts!




--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:28:32 -0000, "Ted Richardson"
wrote:

~
~"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
~:
~: "Ted wrote in message ...
~: Usually sold as
~:
~: International Kidney
~: by
~: Mr Fothergill, T&M, et al.
~:
~: Its the soil & seaweed in Jersey that give them the taste,
~: rather bland from my garden
~:
~:
~: We have grown them in the past for a few years but as you say other First
~: Earlies have a better taste (Concorde.....) but I wonder if you gave the
~: International Kidneys some good doses of Seaweed Extract whilst growing if
~: that would bring out that wonderful "Jersey Royal" flavour. Perhaps I'll
~try
~: next season (if I remember) :-)
~:
~: --
~: Regards
~: Bob
~:
~: Use a useful Screen Saver...
~: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
~: and find intelligent life amongst the stars, there's bugger all down here.
~:
~:
~I too had thought of using Seaweed Extract this year to give it a try.
~Can't use Calcifide Seaweed as it is basically lime.

Funny this should arise... this is exactly what I did this year. I've
not grown spuds (deliberately!) before and since my Dad loves Jerseys,
I hatched a plan to fool him. Largely successfully, he liked the taste
and it wasn't until after the test meal was over that I told him what
they were.
The only thing against them I found was that they fell terribly, so
resorted to steaming them in the end. The worst scrapers were those
I'd picked over 3-4 days before, so cooked them whole and peeled the
skins off when hot.

I also did a blind taste test of some bought Jerseys and my Int
kidneys and my tester said he preferred mine (and as other halves go,
he'd tell me if he didn't!). Interestingly, the bought ones fell too.

I used Maxicrop every couple of weeks together with watering the rows
quite a lot as they suffered from the early drought conditions. Not
quite the same as adding vraic but the nearest I could get easily. And
in Chiltern chalk I have enough problems with scab without using
calcified seaweed as well!!!

I'm buying double quantities of seed spuds for next time (as I think I
said in the what are you growing next year thread :-) and keeping them
better watered as well - think this may have contributed to them
falling as they were a bit more floury than I expected.

Diary says they were set to chit 6th February, planted 21st March, and
first dug 20th June.

I must stress I don't have any other homegrown first earlies to
compare the taste with - just shop-boughts!




--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!