"........I had a bonfire party on Wednesday night who was letting off large
numbers of fireworks.. Its only time I ever have a party. I love bonfire
night.( I don't bother with Christmas or any other commercialised
festival)........."

And Guy Fawks night isn't commercialised?


--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

The message
from "Molly Bloom" contains these words:

I'd appreciate some feedback before I complain to my local councillor - not
that I expect that to do much good.

Where you are I'd expect you to be caught by the celebrations of Diwali,
followed by Hallowe'en and then by (back on topic) G. Fawkes night.

--
Rusty Hinge
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from "mich" contains these words:
"Troy" wrote in message
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:53:01 -0000, mich ,although not a dog, wrote:

Do you *still* feel the same ?
--

To be bloody minded - YES!
I have to be honest and say I get fed up with the the quotation of such
organisations ad infanitum.
Maybe they simply wont admit they have a breeding problem? Or that they dont
train the owners well enough?

I have lived with animals all my life, bred them, kept livestock, have lots
of pets. I love them all.

Some are anxious by nature. The answer is a secure home and shelter and to
ensure they are indoors.

Our old bull terrier used to positively revel in bonfire night, and to
get rid of her during set pieces (she wanted to get at them) we would
set off a large (by the then standards) rocket on a low trajectory, over
the seven-acre wood at the bottom of the garden, and beyond.

"Fetch it!"

Bull terror in full cry, fading to silence

Later, sometimes five minutes, sometimes half an hour, she would return,
and always with the right rocket.

She was also an excellent gundog - well, from the retrieving point of
view, but she wouldn't sit and wait to be told to 'fetch'. She was off
as soon as she saw the pigeon or rabbit drop.

--
Rusty Hinge
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

"David Hill" wrote in message
...
"........I had a bonfire party on Wednesday night who was letting off
large
numbers of fireworks.. Its only time I ever have a party. I love bonfire
night.( I don't bother with Christmas or any other commercialised
festival)........."

And Guy Fawks night isn't commercialised?

Not as much as Christmas. Emphasis now is on halloween if you hadnt
noticed - demanding money with menaces , now there is a crime and a
frightening one!

I am fortunate, I dont suffer from that anymore since most little
terrorists are too spooked to come round my place .Its dark at night and we
have bats flying around ( I kid you not! g). But I lived in a town and
whilst at first it was OK, about four years ago, it got pretty aweful. I
hear its worse now.

But no one is trying to stop halloween and tell people to go to organised
treat or treat parties are they?

Actually trying to buy fireworks , especially in the wake of opinions of
posters such as the one who originally posted here , is quite difficult.

All I ever hear is "go to an organised display"( for £6.50?) Ok it cost me a
lot more than that ( possible about £30) but a lot less than Christmas - and
I didnt have to:

a) walk amongst loads and loads of germs and viruses and come home with a
cold,
b) didnt have to put up with kids, strangers and merrygo rounds
c) but up with the now obligatory "barbie" doing fast fatty and unhealthy
food.
d) I did manage to be able to see my fireworks , unlike organised displays ,
where you actually get to see very little ( done it decided against it)
e) didnt have to waste fuel getting there.

My party was an all adult affair. I had good healthy food , I cooked it.

And to answer an earlier poster, I do live in the middle of nowhere ( the
countryside)
and having people round is a luxury.

"..............Maybe they simply wont admit they have a breeding problem? Or
that they don't train the owners well enough?

I have lived with animals all my life, bred them, kept livestock, have lots
of pets. I love them all.

Some are anxious by nature. The answer is a secure home and shelter and to
ensure they are indoors........."

What a wonderful idea... lets keep people with Guide dogs off the streets
for at least 2 weeks around the start of November.so that all idiots can
throw fireworks to their hearts content.

Incidentally.....if you are elderly and with bad or no sight then the time
around Nov. 5th can be a very frightening time, and you still have to get
shopping etc, unless you want to sit like a prisoner in your own home for a
few weeks. And that isn't always safe....locally we have had a firework
thrown through the bedroom window of a 76 yr old lady, set the flat on fire
and terrified the lady.
In another incident a rocket was fired through the window of another
pensioner again causing damage and this time injuring the lady concerned.




--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

"mich" wrote in message
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[snip]

You write much too much for one with such a poor command of English
spelling.

Franz

"Troy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:53:01 -0000, mich ,although not a dog, wrote:

As for my animals , they were fine. I have yet to have a "terrified
animal"
on Bonfire night or the nights that suround it! Are you sure your not
reading your feelings into their behaviour?

I suggest you read the following taken from the Guide dogs for the blind
Association's Website :-

"Guide Dogs has campaigned for a number of years for fireworks controls.
The charity is forced to prematurely retire a number of guide dogs each
year as a result of trauma caused by fireworks noise, as well as
retraining
many others and sedating hundreds more. As fireworks use has grown in
recent years, so have the negative effects and Guide Dogs is faced with an
annual bill of hundreds of thousands of pounds. In addition, guide dog
owners are often left without the independence and mobility they have come
to rely on from their guide dogs."

Do you *still* feel the same ?

What's the bet the answer is "yes"?

Franz

"mich" wrote in message
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"Troy" wrote in message
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:53:01 -0000, mich ,although not a dog, wrote:

Do you *still* feel the same ?
--

To be bloody minded - YES!

I did predict it. Honest, I did.

[snip]

Franz

"Iris McCanna" wrote in message
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"mich" wrote in message
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snip
As for my animals , they were fine. I have yet to have a "terrified
animal"
on Bonfire night or the nights that suround it! Are you sure your
not
reading your feelings into their behaviour?


You are sadly wrong. One of our dogs had to be regularly sedated as
she became a trembling jelly each time she heard fireworks.

A very close friend in a village in Wiltshire lost his dog ten days
ago because she ran away having been terrified and disorientated by
fireworks. After ten days of searching, posters, visiting every
possible place and telling everyone, he broadcast on the local radio
station. Sandy was found thank goodness. My brother is very
seriously ill in hospital at the moment and they put a photograph of
Sandy with the words 'found' by his bed. When he came round after
being unconscious for over ten days, he cried with joy. Do not
attribute your ridiculous 'human' feelings to animals. They just
hear loud bangs and are terrified.

I bet this has no effect on mich worth recording.

Franz

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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"mich" wrote in message
...

"Troy" wrote in message
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:53:01 -0000, mich ,although not a dog, wrote:

Do you *still* feel the same ?
--

To be bloody minded - YES!

I did predict it. Honest, I did.

Rubbish! How can you predict something that was posted two hours before you
made your prediction?

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...

"mich" wrote in message
...

[snip]

You write much too much for one with such a poor command of English
spelling.

People who live in glass houses and all that.

What is it they say about the internet? If you cant actually put up a
reasoned response , just comment on spelling grammar or some other
irrelevent factor?

Check your own spelling!

"David Hill" wrote in message
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"........I had a bonfire party on Wednesday night who was letting off
large
numbers of fireworks.. Its only time I ever have a party. I love bonfire
night.( I don't bother with Christmas or any other commercialised
festival)........."

And Guy Fawks night isn't commercialised?

Of course it is. A son bought £80 worth of boxed fireworks (as ASDA prices)
for £16 at his wholesaler. What sort of profit is that? That is
commercialism. You can make your own Christmas cards, you can't easily make
your own fireworks.

But to reply to an earlier poster, if you live in the inner city, as we do,
you suffer the very loud noises of fireworks all round the year, not just at
festivals or weekends.

And not just in the evenings. We're woken, suddenly and frightened, during
the night - at any hour. And the fireworks - we hope - (not the decorative
ones but the noisy ones) are sounding through daylight hours.

It's like living in a war zone. We don't know if they're fireworks or guns
or bombs.

For the last two nights we've used RAF issue ear plugs which are
uncomfortable but at least ensure sleep.
I love to see firework displays (I think our civic displays are free) and
last night we had beautiful garden fireworks for a grand-daughter. But
irresponsible use of serious ordinance is anti social and potentially
dangerous. Sleep deprivation is used as a torture by some regimes, here we
just have to suffer it. Loud fireworks are simply unnecessary.

The only answer would be to legislate against the sale of these ridiculously
loud fireworks to anyone except licensed organisations, and to keep to the
law. Enforcement of the act of using anti-social fireworks is impossible to
police.

Older people, sick people and young people are having the quality of their
lives spoiled by these things. Some animals are frightened by the noise I'm
sure, our cat used to be but our hens don't display any nervousness and I've
never watched the bees so I can't make a blanket statement.

I think it Is important to make our views felt to local councillors. There
seems to be a growing antagonism to the problem and they councillors aren't
unaware of it but the more people they hear from the less they'll be able to
ignore it. Especially if we mention ballot boxes ...

Mary




l
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

"mich" wrote in message
...
:
: And Guy Fawks night isn't commercialised?
:
: Not as much as Christmas. Emphasis now is on halloween if you hadnt
: noticed - demanding money with menaces , now there is a crime and a
: frightening one!
:
: I am fortunate, I dont suffer from that anymore since most little
: terrorists are too spooked to come round my place .Its dark at night and
we
: have bats flying around ( I kid you not! g). But I lived in a town and
: whilst at first it was OK, about four years ago, it got pretty aweful. I
: hear its worse now.
:
: But no one is trying to stop halloween and tell people to go to organised
: treat or treat parties are they?
:
: Actually trying to buy fireworks , especially in the wake of opinions of
: posters such as the one who originally posted here , is quite difficult.
:
: All I ever hear is "go to an organised display"( for £6.50?) Ok it cost me
a
: lot more than that ( possible about £30) but a lot less than Christmas -
and
: I didnt have to:
:
: a) walk amongst loads and loads of germs and viruses and come home with a
: cold,
: b) didnt have to put up with kids, strangers and merrygo rounds
: c) but up with the now obligatory "barbie" doing fast fatty and unhealthy
: food.
: d) I did manage to be able to see my fireworks , unlike organised displays
,
: where you actually get to see very little ( done it decided against it)
: e) didnt have to waste fuel getting there.
:
: My party was an all adult affair. I had good healthy food , I cooked it.
:
: And to answer an earlier poster, I do live in the middle of nowhere ( the
: countryside)
: and having people round is a luxury.
:
No surprise you don't celebrate Christmas!

K

On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:08:12 -0000, mich wrote:

And Guy Fawks night isn't commercialised?

Not as much as Christmas.

Christmas is appaulling now. Not only do we have suffer not being able
to get any service out of any organisation for two weeks we have to
put up with the marketing machine pushing it since October FFS! Then
actually trying do your normal shopping but with 500% more other
people standing in doorways or shop walkways in a daze 'cause they
can't decide if Auntie Molly (who they met, once, 25 years ago) would
like the black or blue headscarf for =A350 or maybe the green gloves and=

matching scarf (=A345) but would that clash with Uncle Bernies (never
met) lilac tie (=A330) that they'd just bought so prehaps they should
take the lilac tie back and get the green tie but that is a very nice
blue scarf....

You only have to look at the UKs demand for power over Christmas week
to realise that there is *no* work being done at all.

BAH! HUMBUG.

Emphasis now is on halloween if you hadnt noticed

I guess to some people Halloween is Guy Fawkes/Bonfire night. Oh well.
The nasty Americanisium of Trick 'n Treating can go back over the pond
thank you very much.

But no one is trying to stop halloween and tell people to go to
organised treat or treat parties are they?

The parents down in the village organised one for the village kids
only. Ours couldn't go (and didn't know about it either) as I was away
working and SWMBO'd was laid out with a 48hr "flu".

a) walk amongst loads and loads of germs and viruses and come home
with a cold,
b) didnt have to put up with kids, strangers and merrygo rounds
c) but up with the now obligatory "barbie" doing fast fatty and
unhealthy food.
d) I did manage to be able to see my fireworks , unlike organised
displays, where you actually get to see very little ( done it
decided against it)
e) didnt have to waste fuel getting there.

Agree, I've been to some fairly big organised displays and the key
factor in really enjoying it is not to go to the main "viewing" or
entertainment area. Find a nice spot 1/2 a mile away with a good view
of the sky above where the mortars are. Avoids all the nasty aspects
listed above (add the noise of the poeple, rides, hawkers etc as well)
and you get a better view of the fireworks without a crick in your
neck. The only thing you miss out on is the thump through the ground
as the mortars fire.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

In article , Dave
Liquorice writes
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:08:12 -0000, mich wrote:

And Guy Fawks night isn't commercialised?

Not as much as Christmas.

Lancaster market hall had its Xmas decorations up before the end of
October!!!!!
--
Jane Ransom in Lancaster.
I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg
but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms
at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see