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OT. new antispam laws in the US
In article , martin
writes ~Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS ))))))))))))) How does one do it please? I have a really old version of Agent and I don't think it can bounce stuff. I use Turnpike so can't tell you if Agent has that capability - sorry You have to use something like Mailwasher. No you don't, you just have to use a good mail reader - we use Turnpike. Unfortunately some Spam uses forged FROM: and you could get into trouble by bouncing to innocent people. The spammers from harvested addresses are businesses touting for more business - they want replies to their adverts, they do not want bounced stuff. Therefore they take you off their mailing list if you do not appear to be a valid address. Most spammer sites ignore bounced mail. Nope . . . . you are WRONG. After bouncing the mails that came to us after my husband's little lapse, WE DO NOT RECEIVE ANY SPAM on that mailbox. -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see |
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:47:21 +0100, martin wrote:
~On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:33:00 +0000 (UTC), (jane) wrote: ~ ~On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:17:50 +0000, Jane Ransom ~wrote: ~ ~~In article , martin writes ~~ ~~I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days. ~~ ~~We have found that if you bounce spams (envelope rejection), you are ~~soon taken off the mailing lists. When the address harvesters guarantee ~~to provide, x million active addresses, they mean *active*. A bounce is ~~not an active address!! ~~ ~~We know this because recently, when my spousal unit got his new machine, ~~he sent just *one* measly little post to his news group before ~~remembering to hide his email address. Within hours we were receiving ~~spams and within 24 this amounted to dozens. We then changed our active ~~mail box and bounced everything from the old mail box. Within a week we ~~were receiving only the odd spam and now don't seem to receive any. ~~ ~~Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS ))))))))))))) ~ ~How does one do it please? I have a really old version of Agent and I ~don't think it can bounce stuff. ~ ~You have to use something like Mailwasher. Unfortunately some Spam ~uses forged FROM: and you could get into trouble by bouncing to ~innocent people. Most spammer sites ignore bounced mail. A lot of my spam is bounced stuff that has me forged as the sender. I am forever emailing Demon abuse saying that I've been used yet again and please not to think I'm a spammer if anyone complains. 250+ today and counting... one useful mail. Sadly I suspect that posting here has upped my visibility so that I'm getting more. Though I can filter out a lot of it - anyone I know goes into folders immediately, obvious spam gets filtered by keywords into a junk folder for immediate deletion without reading (or I get incensed at the filth) and I get about 20 to vet. Obviously, I'd rather not have to... Unfortunately, occasionally I delete a genuine mail from someone who hasn't mailed me before. *sigh* I think I'm going to have to switch to a different username and bin anything to jane. That should remove the rest of the spam or at least make it 100% filterable. -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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In article , David david.simp
writes But just about all the return addresses are false Jane, So how do you account for the fact that we now receive no spam on that mail box? -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see |
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OT. new antispam laws in the US
In article , David david.simp
writes But just about all the return addresses are false Jane, So how do you account for the fact that we now receive no spam on that mail box? -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see |
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OT. new antispam laws in the US
........So how do you account for the fact that we now receive no Spam on
that mail box? ........" I'd say that you were lucky. I've been bouncing Spam now for almost 2 months and in that time it has more than doubled.Many of the spamers use a different address and name 2 or 3 times a day. What gets to me are all the offers we get that when you check say Residents of US only, I think that this sort of thing makes up around 20% of what I get, You ask to be removed, you bounce it and still it comes daily. Oh yes..I am using Mailwasher. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
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In article , Jane Ransom
writes In article , David david.simp writes But just about all the return addresses are false Jane, So how do you account for the fact that we now receive no spam on that mail box? I don't know, unless something else has changed but it is a fact that the spammers don't send from valid addresses (unless they're using an unsuspecting host) they really *don't* see any replies (bounced or otherwise). The bit about they only use valid email addresses, well, they would say that anyway wouldn't they When the huge increase in junk started a while back I set up the rejection rules to bounce most of it but it's still coming, 138 rejected this morning with 7 getting through, I'm continually reviewing the rules to fine tune. One of the most popular addresses is which is an easy one to block, I reject anything from aol and yahoo plus a few smaller ones and unrecognised email names. I must admit there is a small amount of satisfaction is seeing stuff bounced, is that sad? -- David |
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OT. new antispam laws in the US
In article , Jane Ransom
writes In article , David david.simp writes But just about all the return addresses are false Jane, So how do you account for the fact that we now receive no spam on that mail box? I don't know, unless something else has changed but it is a fact that the spammers don't send from valid addresses (unless they're using an unsuspecting host) they really *don't* see any replies (bounced or otherwise). The bit about they only use valid email addresses, well, they would say that anyway wouldn't they When the huge increase in junk started a while back I set up the rejection rules to bounce most of it but it's still coming, 138 rejected this morning with 7 getting through, I'm continually reviewing the rules to fine tune. One of the most popular addresses is which is an easy one to block, I reject anything from aol and yahoo plus a few smaller ones and unrecognised email names. I must admit there is a small amount of satisfaction is seeing stuff bounced, is that sad? -- David |
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:45:30 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: I used to use Mailwasher before I got my ISP to filter out my spam. I never noticed any significant drop in spam which I could associate with whether I bounced or just deleted. that's in line with what I have read on other newsgroups. -- Martin |
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:00:13 +0000, Jane Ransom
wrote: In article , David david.simp writes But just about all the return addresses are false Jane, So how do you account for the fact that we now receive no spam on that mail box? I can't. Nor can I account for your experience being different to most other peoples. I'd say you are lucky. -- Martin |
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:11:38 +0000, Jane Ransom
wrote: ~In article , martin writes ~~Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS ))))))))))))) ~ ~How does one do it please? I have a really old version of Agent and I ~don't think it can bounce stuff. ~ ~I use Turnpike so can't tell you if Agent has that capability - sorry ~ ~You have to use something like Mailwasher. ~ ~No you don't, you just have to use a good mail reader - we use Turnpike. ~ ~Unfortunately some Spam ~uses forged FROM: and you could get into trouble by bouncing to ~innocent people. ~ ~The spammers from harvested addresses are businesses touting for more ~business - they want replies to their adverts, they do not want bounced ~stuff. Therefore they take you off their mailing list if you do not ~appear to be a valid address. ~ ~Most spammer sites ignore bounced mail. ~ ~Nope . . . . you are WRONG. ~After bouncing the mails that came to us after my husband's little ~lapse, WE DO NOT RECEIVE ANY SPAM on that mailbox. Mailwasher downloaded and installed. Neat. I'll give it a go and let you know what happens next time an antispam thread appears! -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:11:38 +0000, Jane Ransom
wrote: ~In article , martin writes ~~Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS ))))))))))))) ~ ~How does one do it please? I have a really old version of Agent and I ~don't think it can bounce stuff. ~ ~I use Turnpike so can't tell you if Agent has that capability - sorry ~ ~You have to use something like Mailwasher. ~ ~No you don't, you just have to use a good mail reader - we use Turnpike. ~ ~Unfortunately some Spam ~uses forged FROM: and you could get into trouble by bouncing to ~innocent people. ~ ~The spammers from harvested addresses are businesses touting for more ~business - they want replies to their adverts, they do not want bounced ~stuff. Therefore they take you off their mailing list if you do not ~appear to be a valid address. ~ ~Most spammer sites ignore bounced mail. ~ ~Nope . . . . you are WRONG. ~After bouncing the mails that came to us after my husband's little ~lapse, WE DO NOT RECEIVE ANY SPAM on that mailbox. Mailwasher downloaded and installed. Neat. I'll give it a go and let you know what happens next time an antispam thread appears! -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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OT. new antispam laws in the US
The message
from Jane Ransom contains these words: Most spammer sites ignore bounced mail. Nope . . . . you are WRONG. After bouncing the mails that came to us after my husband's little lapse, WE DO NOT RECEIVE ANY SPAM on that mailbox. Not until a new CD of 'working addresses' goes on the market. Most of these spammers only use the list once anyway, and never see the bounces or even know about them. All they are interested in is the very small proportion of hits that generate replies to a website (I'd guess, never having read any of them.). -- Rusty Hinge http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm Dark thoughts about the Wumpus concerto played with piano, iron bar and two sledge hammers. (Wumpus, 15/11/03) |
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OT. new antispam laws in the US
The message
from Jane Ransom contains these words: In article , David david.simp writes But just about all the return addresses are false Jane, So how do you account for the fact that we now receive no spam on that mail box? That list has been superceded by new ones. I can promise you that you *WILL* get spam on it from time-to-time, when a random address generator aims at your ISP. -- Rusty Hinge http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm Dark thoughts about the Wumpus concerto played with piano, iron bar and two sledge hammers. (Wumpus, 15/11/03) |
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