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OT. new antispam laws in the US
For those that don't know about it.....
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031122/80/eeo1i.html -- Regards Bob Use a useful Screen Saver... http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ and find intelligent life amongst the stars, there's bugger all down here. |
OT. new antispam laws in the US
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... For those that don't know about it..... http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031122/80/eeo1i.html Regards Bob Yippee - now the rest of the world............. Jenny |
OT. new antispam laws in the US
"JennyC" wrote in message after me For those that don't know about it..... http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031122/80/eeo1i.html Yippee - now the rest of the world............. Well seeing as most of the worlds spam comes from about 200 people, mostly from the US, and one town in Florida is known as the Spam Capital of the World it has to be excellent news if the law is worded correctly and policed. Trouble is the US wanted an "Opt Out" law unlike the EU which wants an "Op In" law, I'm not sure about this present bill though. One thing is, it would be illegal for them to hide their ID as they do now. Any control must be better than now, we get about 100 spam's per day. -- Regards Bob Use a useful Screen Saver... http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ and find intelligent life amongst the stars, there's bugger all down here. |
OT. new antispam laws in the US
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from "Bob Hobden" contains these words: "JennyC" wrote in message after me For those that don't know about it..... http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031122/80/eeo1i.html Yippee - now the rest of the world............. Well seeing as most of the worlds spam comes from about 200 people, mostly from the US, and one town in Florida is known as the Spam Capital of the World it has to be excellent news if the law is worded correctly and policed. Trouble is the US wanted an "Opt Out" law unlike the EU which wants an "Op In" law, I'm not sure about this present bill though. One thing is, it would be illegal for them to hide their ID as they do now. Any control must be better than now, we get about 100 spam's per day. Anti-spam legislation has been enacted by Parliament and comes into force early - middle of December. It becomes some sort of an offence to disseminate it. However, just who is going to investigate complaints and how they could have any effect on spam from abroad is a mystery. Perhaps they want to create jobs for several thousand new civil servants? -- Rusty Hinge http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm Dark thoughts about the Wumpus concerto played with piano, iron bar and two sledge hammers. (Wumpus, 15/11/03) |
OT. new antispam laws in the US
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:28:59 +0100, "JennyC" wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... For those that don't know about it..... http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031122/80/eeo1i.html Regards Bob Yippee - now the rest of the world............. Ireland and Spain already did the same. Not that I recall ever having spam from either. -- Martin |
OT. new antispam laws in the US
In message , Bob Hobden
writes Trouble is the US wanted an "Opt Out" law unlike the EU which wants an "Op In" law, I'm not sure about this present bill though. One thing is, it would be illegal for them to hide their ID as they do now. Any control must be better than now, we get about 100 spam's per day. Horrible thought: I've just trawled through news reports on this, and found: "For the first time during the Internet era, American consumers will have the ability to say no to spam," said Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., who spearheaded the negotiations. Could that mean that somehow the rest of us won't be able to opt out!!?? (So far today we've had over 200 spam - do you suppose the spammers are all going mad before they are nipped in the bud?) Klara -- |
OT. new antispam laws in the US
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:54:14 +0000, klara
wrote: In message , Bob Hobden writes Trouble is the US wanted an "Opt Out" law unlike the EU which wants an "Op In" law, I'm not sure about this present bill though. One thing is, it would be illegal for them to hide their ID as they do now. Any control must be better than now, we get about 100 spam's per day. Horrible thought: I've just trawled through news reports on this, and found: "For the first time during the Internet era, American consumers will have the ability to say no to spam," said Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., who spearheaded the negotiations. Could that mean that somehow the rest of us won't be able to opt out!!?? (So far today we've had over 200 spam - do you suppose the spammers are all going mad before they are nipped in the bud?) I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days. -- Martin |
OT. new antispam laws in the US
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:17:50 +0000, Jane Ransom
wrote: ~In article , martin writes ~ ~I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days. ~ ~We have found that if you bounce spams (envelope rejection), you are ~soon taken off the mailing lists. When the address harvesters guarantee ~to provide, x million active addresses, they mean *active*. A bounce is ~not an active address!! ~ ~We know this because recently, when my spousal unit got his new machine, ~he sent just *one* measly little post to his news group before ~remembering to hide his email address. Within hours we were receiving ~spams and within 24 this amounted to dozens. We then changed our active ~mail box and bounced everything from the old mail box. Within a week we ~were receiving only the odd spam and now don't seem to receive any. ~ ~Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS :)))))))))))))) How does one do it please? I have a really old version of Agent and I don't think it can bounce stuff. -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
OT. new antispam laws in the US
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OT. new antispam laws in the US
In article , Jane Ransom
writes In article , martin writes I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days. We have found that if you bounce spams (envelope rejection), you are soon taken off the mailing lists. When the address harvesters guarantee to provide, x million active addresses, they mean *active*. A bounce is not an active address!! We know this because recently, when my spousal unit got his new machine, he sent just *one* measly little post to his news group before remembering to hide his email address. Within hours we were receiving spams and within 24 this amounted to dozens. We then changed our active mail box and bounced everything from the old mail box. Within a week we were receiving only the odd spam and now don't seem to receive any. Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS :)))))))))))))) But just about all the return addresses are false Jane, they are either throw away ones or an unknowing host. I have been adjusting the rejection rules for a number of months now and haven't seen any reduction in the amount of overall mail, just the amount that's getting through. AIUI there is usually no way back to the spammer from the email that you are sent. I also get a lot of returned rejected mail saying that the address is unknown :-((( -- David |
OT. new antispam laws in the US
In article , Jane Ransom
writes In article , martin writes I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days. We have found that if you bounce spams (envelope rejection), you are soon taken off the mailing lists. When the address harvesters guarantee to provide, x million active addresses, they mean *active*. A bounce is not an active address!! We know this because recently, when my spousal unit got his new machine, he sent just *one* measly little post to his news group before remembering to hide his email address. Within hours we were receiving spams and within 24 this amounted to dozens. We then changed our active mail box and bounced everything from the old mail box. Within a week we were receiving only the odd spam and now don't seem to receive any. Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS :)))))))))))))) But just about all the return addresses are false Jane, they are either throw away ones or an unknowing host. I have been adjusting the rejection rules for a number of months now and haven't seen any reduction in the amount of overall mail, just the amount that's getting through. AIUI there is usually no way back to the spammer from the email that you are sent. I also get a lot of returned rejected mail saying that the address is unknown :-((( -- David |
OT. new antispam laws in the US
In article , martin
writes ~Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS :)))))))))))))) How does one do it please? I have a really old version of Agent and I don't think it can bounce stuff. I use Turnpike so can't tell you if Agent has that capability - sorry :( You have to use something like Mailwasher. No you don't, you just have to use a good mail reader - we use Turnpike. Unfortunately some Spam uses forged FROM: and you could get into trouble by bouncing to innocent people. The spammers from harvested addresses are businesses touting for more business - they want replies to their adverts, they do not want bounced stuff. Therefore they take you off their mailing list if you do not appear to be a valid address. Most spammer sites ignore bounced mail. Nope . . . . you are WRONG. After bouncing the mails that came to us after my husband's little lapse, WE DO NOT RECEIVE ANY SPAM on that mailbox. -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see |
OT. new antispam laws in the US
"martin" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:33:00 +0000 (UTC), (jane) wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:17:50 +0000, Jane Ransom wrote: ~In article , martin writes ~ ~I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days. ~ ~We have found that if you bounce spams (envelope rejection), you are ~soon taken off the mailing lists. When the address harvesters guarantee ~to provide, x million active addresses, they mean *active*. A bounce is ~not an active address!! ~ ~We know this because recently, when my spousal unit got his new machine, ~he sent just *one* measly little post to his news group before ~remembering to hide his email address. Within hours we were receiving ~spams and within 24 this amounted to dozens. We then changed our active ~mail box and bounced everything from the old mail box. Within a week we ~were receiving only the odd spam and now don't seem to receive any. ~ ~Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS :)))))))))))))) How does one do it please? I have a really old version of Agent and I don't think it can bounce stuff. You have to use something like Mailwasher. Unfortunately some Spam uses forged FROM: and you could get into trouble by bouncing to innocent people. Most spammer sites ignore bounced mail. I used to use Mailwasher before I got my ISP to filter out my spam. I never noticed any significant drop in spam which I could associate with whether I bounced or just deleted. Franz |
OT. new antispam laws in the US
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:47:21 +0100, martin wrote:
~On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:33:00 +0000 (UTC), (jane) wrote: ~ ~On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:17:50 +0000, Jane Ransom ~wrote: ~ ~~In article , martin writes ~~ ~~I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days. ~~ ~~We have found that if you bounce spams (envelope rejection), you are ~~soon taken off the mailing lists. When the address harvesters guarantee ~~to provide, x million active addresses, they mean *active*. A bounce is ~~not an active address!! ~~ ~~We know this because recently, when my spousal unit got his new machine, ~~he sent just *one* measly little post to his news group before ~~remembering to hide his email address. Within hours we were receiving ~~spams and within 24 this amounted to dozens. We then changed our active ~~mail box and bounced everything from the old mail box. Within a week we ~~were receiving only the odd spam and now don't seem to receive any. ~~ ~~Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS :)))))))))))))) ~ ~How does one do it please? I have a really old version of Agent and I ~don't think it can bounce stuff. ~ ~You have to use something like Mailwasher. Unfortunately some Spam ~uses forged FROM: and you could get into trouble by bouncing to ~innocent people. Most spammer sites ignore bounced mail. A lot of my spam is bounced stuff that has me forged as the sender. I am forever emailing Demon abuse saying that I've been used yet again and please not to think I'm a spammer if anyone complains. 250+ today and counting... one useful mail. Sadly I suspect that posting here has upped my visibility so that I'm getting more. Though I can filter out a lot of it - anyone I know goes into folders immediately, obvious spam gets filtered by keywords into a junk folder for immediate deletion without reading (or I get incensed at the filth) and I get about 20 to vet. Obviously, I'd rather not have to... Unfortunately, occasionally I delete a genuine mail from someone who hasn't mailed me before. *sigh* I think I'm going to have to switch to a different username and bin anything to jane. That should remove the rest of the spam or at least make it 100% filterable. -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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