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Substitute for horticultural fleece?
Hello there
I have a couple of nice pineapple sage plants but from what I have read they will need some frost protection. I am wondering whether anyone has any suggestions as to what they can be insulated with - will I have to go and buy some horticultural fleece (which I haven't used before) or is there something that might do just as well? Any suggestions would be very handy! Kindest regards Ruth |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
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Substitute for horticultural fleece?
"Ruth" wrote in message om... Hello there I have a couple of nice pineapple sage plants but from what I have read they will need some frost protection. I am wondering whether anyone has any suggestions as to what they can be insulated with - will I have to go and buy some horticultural fleece (which I haven't used before) or is there something that might do just as well? Any suggestions would be very handy! Kindest regards Ruth Fleece is brilliant stuff because it lets the plant(s) breath while wrapped up. It does not go 'soggy' as old blankets etc will It's ligthweight and easy to wrap round things. Maybe you have an old fleece jumper you could use as a trial ? Jenny |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
Fleece will only give you 2 or 3 degrees of protection, Take cuttings ASAP.
You could cut back fairly hard and cover well with compost and straw. Really depends on the sort of frosts you get in your part of the world. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
Fleece will only give you 2 or 3 degrees of protection, Take cuttings ASAP.
You could cut back fairly hard and cover well with compost and straw. Really depends on the sort of frosts you get in your part of the world. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
Fleece will only give you 2 or 3 degrees of protection, Take cuttings ASAP.
You could cut back fairly hard and cover well with compost and straw. Really depends on the sort of frosts you get in your part of the world. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
Victoria Clare wrote in message 8.207...
(Ruth) wrote in news:1a410f23.0311240942.5366e115 @posting.google.com: Hello there I have a couple of nice pineapple sage plants but from what I have read they will need some frost protection. snip Horticultural fleece is good because it protects the plant without preventing air circulating and allowing it to get enough light. Anything else you use needs to be transparent. snip Or if you have an old window or some perspex and some bricks, you could simply build a basic cold-frame round them and dismantle it in the spring. Many thanks for that Victoria - yes, I think that a cold frame may be the way to go, I have a few bits and pieces I can use. The plants have grown like mad this year so I wouldn't like to lose them! All the best Ruth |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
"JennyC" wrote in message ...
"Ruth" wrote in message om... Hello there I have a couple of nice pineapple sage plants but from what I have read they will need some frost protection. snip Maybe you have an old fleece jumper you could use as a trial ? Yes, I was wondering if I could use something breathable instead as i've never actually seen horticultural fleece close up! Thanks for the info :) All the best Ruth |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
Hi David
"David Hill" wrote in message ... Fleece will only give you 2 or 3 degrees of protection, Take cuttings ASAP. You could cut back fairly hard and cover well with compost and straw. Really depends on the sort of frosts you get in your part of the world. Yes, a cutting or two would be a good idea - I live in London so frost isn't a massive problem here but even so.... All the best Ruth |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
"Ruth" wrote in message om... Hello there I have a couple of nice pineapple sage plants but from what I have read they will need some frost protection. I am wondering whether anyone has any suggestions as to what they can be insulated with - will I have to go and buy some horticultural fleece (which I haven't used before) or is there something that might do just as well? Any suggestions would be very handy! Kindest regards Bubble plastic packing material, but take it off during the day. Franz |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
Ruth wrote:
Hello there I have a couple of nice pineapple sage plants but from what I have read they will need some frost protection. I am wondering whether anyone has any suggestions as to what they can be insulated with - will I have to go and buy some horticultural fleece (which I haven't used before) or is there something that might do just as well? Any suggestions would be very handy! Kindest regards Ruth There are various 'in betweens' that are similar.. different grades of fleece, branded poducts like papronet etc.. I have even known people to useold net curtains though cannot vouch for their effeciacy! Jim |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
"Ruth" wrote in message om... "JennyC" wrote in message ... "Ruth" wrote in message om... Hello there I have a couple of nice pineapple sage plants but from what I have read they will need some frost protection. snip Maybe you have an old fleece jumper you could use as a trial ? Yes, I was wondering if I could use something breathable instead as i've never actually seen horticultural fleece close up! Thanks for the info :) All the best Ruth Gosh, you mean to say you don't have ANY fleece jumpers ! It's made by recycling plastic bottles - About 50 soft drinks bottles go into a sweater. Jenny |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ...
"Ruth" wrote in message om... Hello there I have a couple of nice pineapple sage plants but from what I have read they will need some frost protection. I am wondering whether anyone has any suggestions as to what they can be insulated with - will I have to go and buy some horticultural fleece (which I haven't used before) or is there something that might do just as well? Any suggestions would be very handy! Kindest regards Bubble plastic packing material, but take it off during the day. Cheers Franz! All the best Ruth |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
Ruth2/12/03 5:45
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Ruth" wrote in message om... Hello there I have a couple of nice pineapple sage plants but from what I have read they will need some frost protection. I am wondering whether anyone has any suggestions as to what they can be insulated with - will I have to go and buy some horticultural fleece (which I haven't used before) or is there something that might do just as well? Any suggestions would be very handy! Kindest regards Bubble plastic packing material, but take it off during the day. Cheers Franz! All the best Ruth Bubble wrap will produce condensation and that, in itself, could rot your plants. I would suggest you dig your plants up, put them in pots of well-drained compost, keep them frost free in a greenhouse or conservatory with a just-above-freezing heater and as dry rooted as makes no difference and then pop them out again next year once frosts have passed, bring them in again next winter etc. Why take them out of their pots, really? Let them be an ornamental feature and then protect them each year. If you *really* want to faff around with bubble wrap, I would suggest that you *might* find that you're wasting your time anyway. Wet, cold soil that is not sharply drained may well kill them anyway. These are herbs and like all herbs of Med origin need dry feet, not our cold, wet, English winters. Even in the Med, they grow on stony soils that are sharply drained in wet winters. Your choice, of course but more people lose Salvias, Lavandulas (some) Rosmarinus (some) and other such plants through wet roots than through anything else, depending on location. For the more tender species, the frost will simply be the coup de grace when combined with the perpetually wet roots. We know that we can over-winter Salvia involucrata in a bed beside the house wall but we also know that we cannot over-winter Salvia confertiflora. We have to re-plant that every year but it's worth it because it flowers late and is a lovely colour. I'd suggest the rule is "if in doubt, don't risk it" and always, always to remember that cold, perpetually wet soil will kill many such plants and that no amount of wrap or fleece will alter that. We know that friends of ours can grow Rosemary 'Severn Seas' at Salcombe but that we are taking a risk with it here. Trial and expensive error, I'm afraid. If you don't want to take the risk, pot them up, bring them in etc. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the 'x' to email me) |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:31:47 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message . .. Ruth2/12/03 5:45 "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Ruth" wrote in message om... Hello there I have a couple of nice pineapple sage plants but from what I have read they will need some frost protection. I am wondering whether anyone has any suggestions as to what they can be insulated with - will I have to go and buy some horticultural fleece (which I haven't used before) or is there something that might do just as well? Any suggestions would be very handy! Kindest regards Bubble plastic packing material, but take it off during the day. Cheers Franz! All the best Ruth Bubble wrap will produce condensation and that, in itself, could rot your plants. Note that I said that it should be taken off during the day. I doubt if the plants would rot if they were aired as regularly as that. Strictly I should have said the wrap should be removed during frost-free days. Why use a substitute instead of the real thing? -- Martin |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
"..........I have a couple of nice pineapple sage plants but from what I
have read they will need some frost protection....." I would go with Sacha, I have had pineapple sage in a cold glasshouse for the last 6 years with no problems, and a couple of plants in a polly tunnel for 2 winters, the main thing is the wet rather than the cold. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk ***2004 catalogue now available*** |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
Franz Heymann3/12/03 2:31
"Sacha" wrote in message .. . Ruth2/12/03 5:45 "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Ruth" wrote in message om... Hello there I have a couple of nice pineapple sage plants but from what I have read they will need some frost protection. I am wondering whether anyone has any suggestions as to what they can be insulated with - will I have to go and buy some horticultural fleece (which I haven't used before) or is there something that might do just as well? Any suggestions would be very handy! Kindest regards Bubble plastic packing material, but take it off during the day. Cheers Franz! All the best Ruth Bubble wrap will produce condensation and that, in itself, could rot your plants. Note that I said that it should be taken off during the day. I doubt if the plants would rot if they were aired as regularly as that. Strictly I should have said the wrap should be removed during frost-free days. [snip] Franz I'm trying to imagine someone going out every day to remove bubble wrap for a few hours and then going out again to replace it before e.g. 4 or 5 every afternoon. Even someone who isn't at work all day might have trouble following that routine. AND even more importantly, cold, wet roots will rot the plants away. This is a plant that is better brought into a frost free environment where it will have some light and be kept almost dry. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the 'x' to email me) |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
"martin" wrote in message ... On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:31:47 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message . .. Ruth2/12/03 5:45 "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Ruth" wrote in message om... Hello there I have a couple of nice pineapple sage plants but from what I have read they will need some frost protection. I am wondering whether anyone has any suggestions as to what they can be insulated with - will I have to go and buy some horticultural fleece (which I haven't used before) or is there something that might do just as well? Any suggestions would be very handy! Kindest regards Bubble plastic packing material, but take it off during the day. Cheers Franz! All the best Ruth Bubble wrap will produce condensation and that, in itself, could rot your plants. Note that I said that it should be taken off during the day. I doubt if the plants would rot if they were aired as regularly as that. Strictly I should have said the wrap should be removed during frost-free days. Why use a substitute instead of the real thing? Ah, that's another question. Franz |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
"Sacha" wrote in message .. . Franz Heymann3/12/03 2:31 "Sacha" wrote in message .. . Ruth2/12/03 5:45 "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Ruth" wrote in message om... Hello there I have a couple of nice pineapple sage plants but from what I have read they will need some frost protection. I am wondering whether anyone has any suggestions as to what they can be insulated with - will I have to go and buy some horticultural fleece (which I haven't used before) or is there something that might do just as well? Any suggestions would be very handy! Kindest regards Bubble plastic packing material, but take it off during the day. Cheers Franz! All the best Ruth Bubble wrap will produce condensation and that, in itself, could rot your plants. Note that I said that it should be taken off during the day. I doubt if the plants would rot if they were aired as regularly as that. Strictly I should have said the wrap should be removed during frost-free days. [snip] Franz I'm trying to imagine someone going out every day to remove bubble wrap for a few hours and then going out again to replace it before e.g. 4 or 5 every afternoon. Even someone who isn't at work all day might have trouble following that routine. AND even more importantly, cold, wet roots will rot the plants away. This is a plant that is better brought into a frost free environment where it will have some light and be kept almost dry. {:-)) Actually I agree. Franz |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
Franz Heymann3/12/03 7:26
"Sacha" wrote in message .. . snip I'm trying to imagine someone going out every day to remove bubble wrap for a few hours and then going out again to replace it before e.g. 4 or 5 every afternoon. Even someone who isn't at work all day might have trouble following that routine. AND even more importantly, cold, wet roots will rot the plants away. This is a plant that is better brought into a frost free environment where it will have some light and be kept almost dry. {:-)) Actually I agree. That's nice for me but it might have been more helpful if you had said all this to the OP, who is searching for good advice. Your reply to me seems to suggest that you have misled her. Shame if he or she follows your 'advice' and now loses those plants, don't you think? If they do follow your dictat, I hope you'll cough up for new plants next spring. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the 'x' to email me) |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
"Sacha" wrote in message .. . Franz Heymann3/12/03 7:26 "Sacha" wrote in message .. . snip I'm trying to imagine someone going out every day to remove bubble wrap for a few hours and then going out again to replace it before e.g. 4 or 5 every afternoon. Even someone who isn't at work all day might have trouble following that routine. AND even more importantly, cold, wet roots will rot the plants away. This is a plant that is better brought into a frost free environment where it will have some light and be kept almost dry. {:-)) Actually I agree. That's nice for me but it might have been more helpful if you had said all this to the OP, who is searching for good advice. Your reply to me seems to suggest that you have misled her. Shame if he or she follows your 'advice' and now loses those plants, don't you think? If they do follow your dictat, I hope you'll cough up for new plants next spring. Sacha, the OP asked for a substitute for fleece. I said bubble packing. I said take it off during the day. That was a valid answer to the OP's question. Your suggestion, which I agree to be better than using either fleece or bubble wrap, was not an answer to the question as put. Franz |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:57:21 +0000, Sacha
wrote: Franz Heymann3/12/03 7:26 $dc4$1@ti tan.btinternet.com "Sacha" wrote in message .. . snip I'm trying to imagine someone going out every day to remove bubble wrap for a few hours and then going out again to replace it before e.g. 4 or 5 every afternoon. Even someone who isn't at work all day might have trouble following that routine. AND even more importantly, cold, wet roots will rot the plants away. This is a plant that is better brought into a frost free environment where it will have some light and be kept almost dry. {:-)) Actually I agree. That's nice for me but it might have been more helpful if you had said all this to the OP, who is searching for good advice. Your reply to me seems to suggest that you have misled her. Shame if he or she follows your 'advice' and now loses those plants, don't you think? If they do follow your dictat, I hope you'll cough up for new plants next spring. Anything posted here is addressed to everybody. -- Martin |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
martin4/12/03 9:55
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:57:21 +0000, Sacha wrote: Franz Heymann3/12/03 7:26 "Sacha" wrote in message .. . snip I'm trying to imagine someone going out every day to remove bubble wrap for a few hours and then going out again to replace it before e.g. 4 or 5 every afternoon. Even someone who isn't at work all day might have trouble following that routine. AND even more importantly, cold, wet roots will rot the plants away. This is a plant that is better brought into a frost free environment where it will have some light and be kept almost dry. {:-)) Actually I agree. That's nice for me but it might have been more helpful if you had said all this to the OP, who is searching for good advice. Your reply to me seems to suggest that you have misled her. Shame if he or she follows your 'advice' and now loses those plants, don't you think? If they do follow your dictat, I hope you'll cough up for new plants next spring. Anything posted here is addressed to everybody. I haven't seen anyone saying that it isn't. -- Sacha (remove the 'x' to email me) |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
Franz Heymann4/12/03 9:38
"Sacha" wrote in message .. . Franz Heymann3/12/03 7:26 "Sacha" wrote in message .. . snip I'm trying to imagine someone going out every day to remove bubble wrap for a few hours and then going out again to replace it before e.g. 4 or 5 every afternoon. Even someone who isn't at work all day might have trouble following that routine. AND even more importantly, cold, wet roots will rot the plants away. This is a plant that is better brought into a frost free environment where it will have some light and be kept almost dry. {:-)) Actually I agree. That's nice for me but it might have been more helpful if you had said all this to the OP, who is searching for good advice. Your reply to me seems to suggest that you have misled her. Shame if he or she follows your 'advice' and now loses those plants, don't you think? If they do follow your dictat, I hope you'll cough up for new plants next spring. Sacha, the OP asked for a substitute for fleece. I said bubble packing. I said take it off during the day. That was a valid answer to the OP's question. Your suggestion, which I agree to be better than using either fleece or bubble wrap, was not an answer to the question as put. Franz I disagree with you. Bubblewrap is NOT a good substitute for horticultural fleece for the reasons I gave earlier. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the 'x' to email me) |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:46:55 +0000, Sacha
wrote: That's nice for me but it might have been more helpful if you had said all this to the OP, who is searching for good advice. Your reply to me seems to suggest that you have misled her. Shame if he or she follows your 'advice' and now loses those plants, don't you think? If they do follow your dictat, I hope you'll cough up for new plants next spring. Anything posted here is addressed to everybody. I haven't seen anyone saying that it isn't. "That's nice for me but it might have been more helpful if you had said all this to the OP, who is searching for good advice." So what dos that mean? -- Martin |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:47:54 +0000, Sacha
wrote: Franz Heymann4/12/03 9:38 $bht$1@sp arta.btinternet.com Sacha, the OP asked for a substitute for fleece. I said bubble packing. I said take it off during the day. That was a valid answer to the OP's question. Your suggestion, which I agree to be better than using either fleece or bubble wrap, was not an answer to the question as put. Franz I disagree with you. Bubblewrap is NOT a good substitute for horticultural fleece for the reasons I gave earlier. Franz didn't say it was a *good* substitute. He agreed with you. What more do you want? -- Martin |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
martin4/12/03 12:58
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:47:54 +0000, Sacha wrote: Franz Heymann4/12/03 9:38 Sacha, the OP asked for a substitute for fleece. I said bubble packing. I said take it off during the day. That was a valid answer to the OP's question. Your suggestion, which I agree to be better than using either fleece or bubble wrap, was not an answer to the question as put. Franz I disagree with you. Bubblewrap is NOT a good substitute for horticultural fleece for the reasons I gave earlier. Franz didn't say it was a *good* substitute. He agreed with you. What more do you want? While I haven't been posting much to the group lately, I have been reading it. One thing of which I have become very aware, is that in terms of prolonging a thread well past its sell-by date, you and Franz appear to be the equivalents of a newsgroup stump grinder. I'm really not interested in prolonging this with you, Martin, unless you have some means of giving the OP some useful and not potentially damaging, help, rather than choosing merely to pick a fight. However, if you think bubble wrap a substitute for horticultural fleece and you think this is good advice, by all means, go ahead and wrap everything tender in your garden in it. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the 'x' to email me) |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:52:21 +0000, Sacha
wrote: martin4/12/03 12:58 On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:47:54 +0000, Sacha wrote: Franz Heymann4/12/03 9:38 Sacha, the OP asked for a substitute for fleece. I said bubble packing. I said take it off during the day. That was a valid answer to the OP's question. Your suggestion, which I agree to be better than using either fleece or bubble wrap, was not an answer to the question as put. Franz I disagree with you. Bubblewrap is NOT a good substitute for horticultural fleece for the reasons I gave earlier. Franz didn't say it was a *good* substitute. He agreed with you. What more do you want? While I haven't been posting much to the group lately, I have been reading it. One thing of which I have become very aware, is that in terms of prolonging a thread well past its sell-by date, you and Franz appear to be the equivalents of a newsgroup stump grinder. Stand well back and take a good look at your own posts I'm really not interested in prolonging this with you, Martin, unless you have some means of giving the OP some useful and not potentially damaging, help, rather than choosing merely to pick a fight. I already gave my advice. However, if you think bubble wrap a substitute for horticultural fleece and you think this is good advice, by all means, go ahead and wrap everything tender in your garden in it. You just cannot resist misquoting people can you? I never suggested using bubble wrap or even using a substitute. If you were to actually read people's posts instead of constantly nit picking, you might have noticed that I asked some days ago why the OP didn't use horticultural fleece instead of a substitute. -- Martin |
Substitute for horticultural fleece?
"Sacha" wrote in message .. . martin4/12/03 12:58 On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:47:54 +0000, Sacha wrote: Franz Heymann4/12/03 9:38 Sacha, the OP asked for a substitute for fleece. I said bubble packing. I said take it off during the day. That was a valid answer to the OP's question. Your suggestion, which I agree to be better than using either fleece or bubble wrap, was not an answer to the question as put. Franz I disagree with you. Bubblewrap is NOT a good substitute for horticultural fleece for the reasons I gave earlier. Franz didn't say it was a *good* substitute. He agreed with you. What more do you want? While I haven't been posting much to the group lately, I have been reading it. One thing of which I have become very aware, is that in terms of prolonging a thread well past its sell-by date, you and Franz appear to be the equivalents of a newsgroup stump grinder. How about enjoying a good reread of your own posts? Has it occured to you that I might be as bored with reading your posts as you are with reading mine? Franz |
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