A free education lesson for the simple pro hunt loons who appear to
find working a chore.



Animal sound solutions


Foxes


Although this predator can cause dissatisfaction by stealing chickens
or rabbits from out of hunting areas, we have to avow that the fox is
part of our fauna and plays an important role in nature. Foxes help
regulate the population of rabbits, birds and little rodents. The fact
that the fox population has recovered over the last years, is good
news. They can only survive if there is enough food (i.e. small
animals) to eat. The more small animals there are, the more foxes
there will be. Nature regulates itself. If the foxes eat too many
newborn rabbits in spring, there will be less grown rabbits the
following year, which means less food for the foxes, so their number
will decrease. That is what we call natural balance.



We must be aware that foxes actually live in the woods and must take
some precautions. A fox is a omnivore, this means that he eats
everything, even chickens. Chickens and ducks can be killed by a fox
if they are not protected. To protect chickens, build a good, solid
pen which can be closed at nights or put a fence around it. Beware
that a fox is very pliant; it is important that the fence is about 2 m
high. Best put some barbed wire before the fence. Also dig some wire
into the ground or put some concrete in the ground so the fox cannot
burrow a tunnel under the fence. To protect ducks, give them a large
pond. In case of danger, they can go to the middle of the pond and
cannot be caught.



It is often said that a fox is a very cruel animal. He goes into the
henhouse and kills all of the chickens without eating them or taking
them with him. This kind of slaughter is very difficult to understand.
This behaviour, which we call ‘surplus killing’, has, however, nothing
to do with a cruel, bloodthirsty character, but is an instinctive way
of surviving. When a predator gets in contact with a lot of prey in
panic and no way to escape, the predator’s instinct will be stimulated
and he will kill all the animals in his surroundings. In the wild,
such situations do not exist, because if one (or two) animal gets
caught, the others run away. The presence of a dog can also scare
foxes. The catching and/or killing of foxes is needless. When your
chickens are ‘easy to catch’, predator after predator will give it a
try!

http://home.pi.be/~nahuceop/foxes.htm

"Anonymous Sender" wrote in message
acolo.com...
A free education lesson for the simple pro hunt loons who appear to
find working a chore.



Animal sound solutions


Foxes


Although this predator can cause dissatisfaction by stealing chickens
or rabbits from out of hunting areas, we have to avow that the fox is
part of our fauna and plays an important role in nature. Foxes help
regulate the population of rabbits, birds and little rodents. The fact
that the fox population has recovered over the last years, is good
news. They can only survive if there is enough food (i.e. small
animals) to eat. The more small animals there are, the more foxes
there will be. Nature regulates itself. If the foxes eat too many
newborn rabbits in spring, there will be less grown rabbits the
following year, which means less food for the foxes, so their number
will decrease. That is what we call natural balance.

Unfortunately, the equation which determines the fox population as a
function of time is what mathematicians call a chaotic equation. The much
vaunted natural balance will not occur if there were only grass, rabbita and
foxs.

We must be aware that foxes actually live in the woods and must take
some precautions. A fox is a omnivore, this means that he eats
everything, even chickens. Chickens and ducks can be killed by a fox
if they are not protected. To protect chickens, build a good, solid
pen which can be closed at nights or put a fence around it. Beware
that a fox is very pliant; it is important that the fence is about 2 m
high. Best put some barbed wire before the fence. Also dig some wire
into the ground or put some concrete in the ground so the fox cannot
burrow a tunnel under the fence. To protect ducks, give them a large
pond. In case of danger, they can go to the middle of the pond and
cannot be caught.



It is often said that a fox is a very cruel animal. He goes into the
henhouse and kills all of the chickens without eating them or taking
them with him. This kind of slaughter is very difficult to understand.
This behaviour, which we call 'surplus killing', has, however, nothing
to do with a cruel, bloodthirsty character, but is an instinctive way
of surviving. When a predator gets in contact with a lot of prey in
panic and no way to escape, the predator's instinct will be stimulated
and he will kill all the animals in his surroundings. In the wild,
such situations do not exist, because if one (or two) animal gets
caught, the others run away. The presence of a dog can also scare
foxes. The catching and/or killing of foxes is needless. When your
chickens are 'easy to catch', predator after predator will give it a
try!

http://home.pi.be/~nahuceop/foxes.htm

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:03:26 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Anonymous Sender" wrote in message
tacolo.com...
A free education lesson for the simple pro hunt loons who appear to
find working a chore.



Animal sound solutions


Foxes


Although this predator can cause dissatisfaction by stealing chickens
or rabbits from out of hunting areas, we have to avow that the fox is
part of our fauna and plays an important role in nature. Foxes help
regulate the population of rabbits, birds and little rodents. The fact
that the fox population has recovered over the last years, is good
news. They can only survive if there is enough food (i.e. small
animals) to eat. The more small animals there are, the more foxes
there will be. Nature regulates itself. If the foxes eat too many
newborn rabbits in spring, there will be less grown rabbits the
following year, which means less food for the foxes, so their number
will decrease. That is what we call natural balance.

Unfortunately, the equation which determines the fox population as a
function of time is what mathematicians call a chaotic equation. The much
vaunted natural balance will not occur if there were only grass, rabbita and
foxs.

Try not to make your ignorance too obvious fritz, what comic did you
read that drivel from?

We must be aware that foxes actually live in the woods and must take
some precautions. A fox is a omnivore, this means that he eats
everything, even chickens. Chickens and ducks can be killed by a fox
if they are not protected. To protect chickens, build a good, solid
pen which can be closed at nights or put a fence around it. Beware
that a fox is very pliant; it is important that the fence is about 2 m
high. Best put some barbed wire before the fence. Also dig some wire
into the ground or put some concrete in the ground so the fox cannot
burrow a tunnel under the fence. To protect ducks, give them a large
pond. In case of danger, they can go to the middle of the pond and
cannot be caught.



It is often said that a fox is a very cruel animal. He goes into the
henhouse and kills all of the chickens without eating them or taking
them with him. This kind of slaughter is very difficult to understand.
This behaviour, which we call 'surplus killing', has, however, nothing
to do with a cruel, bloodthirsty character, but is an instinctive way
of surviving. When a predator gets in contact with a lot of prey in
panic and no way to escape, the predator's instinct will be stimulated
and he will kill all the animals in his surroundings. In the wild,
such situations do not exist, because if one (or two) animal gets
caught, the others run away. The presence of a dog can also scare
foxes. The catching and/or killing of foxes is needless. When your
chickens are 'easy to catch', predator after predator will give it a
try!

http://home.pi.be/~nahuceop/foxes.htm






**********************************************




'You can't win 'em all.'
Lord Haw Haw.

Since I stopped donating money to CONservation hooligan charities
Like the RSPB, Woodland Trust and all the other fat cat charities
I am in the top 0.801% richest people in the world.
There are 5,951,930,035 people poorer than me

If you're really interested I am the 48,069,965
richest person in the world.

And I'm keeping the bloody lot.

So sue me.

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

Newsgroup ettiquette

1) Tell everyone the Trolls don't bother you.
2) Say you've killfiled them, yet continue to respond.
3) Tell other people off who repsond despite doing so yourself.
4) Continually talk about Trolls while maintaining
they're having no effect.
5) Publicly post killfile rules so the Trolls know
how to avoid them.
6) Make lame legal threats and other barrel scraping
manoeuvres when your abuse reports are ignored.
7) Eat vast quantities of pies.
8) Forget to brush your teeth for several decades.
9) Help a demon.local poster with their email while
secretly reading it.
10) Pretend you're a hard ******* when in fact you're
as bent as a roundabout.
11) Become the laughing stock of Usenet like Mabbet
12) Die of old age
13) Keep paying Dr Chartham his fees and hope one day you
will have a penis the girls can see.

---------------------------------------

"If you would'nt talk to them in a bar, don't *uckin' vote for them"

"Australia was not *discovered* it was invaded"
The Big Yin.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:30:13 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous Sender wrote:

A free education lesson for the simple pro hunt loons who appear to
find working a chore.



Animal sound solutions


Foxes


Although this predator can cause dissatisfaction by stealing chickens
or rabbits from out of hunting areas, we have to avow that the fox is
part of our fauna and plays an important role in nature. Foxes help
regulate the population of rabbits, birds and little rodents. The fact
that the fox population has recovered over the last years, is good
news. They can only survive if there is enough food (i.e. small
animals) to eat. The more small animals there are, the more foxes
there will be. Nature regulates itself. If the foxes eat too many
newborn rabbits in spring, there will be less grown rabbits the
following year, which means less food for the foxes, so their number
will decrease. That is what we call natural balance.

Humans naturally kill foxes when the foxes kill their chickens
too. Many areas have leash laws now days to prevent dogs from
doing things like that. Why allow wild foxes to do what we have
laws preventing dogs from doing? If a fox is killing peoples' animals
on their property, the fox needs to be eliminated. If some people
are going to pretend to care about the foxes so much, then they
should volunteer to eliminate the fox problem, and do it in a way
they think best. Is anyone doing that?

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:49:30 GMT, wrote:


Humans naturally kill foxes when the foxes kill their chickens
too. Many areas have leash laws now days to prevent dogs from
doing things like that. Why allow wild foxes to do what we have
laws preventing dogs from doing? If a fox is killing peoples' animals
on their property, the fox needs to be eliminated. If some people
are going to pretend to care about the foxes so much, then they
should volunteer to eliminate the fox problem, and do it in a way
they think best. Is anyone doing that?

Is it o.k. to hunt and rip apart dogs that crap on the pavement?
--
Martin

The message
from martin contains these words:

Is it o.k. to hunt and rip apart dogs that crap on the pavement?

No. of course not. You apply that sanction to the owner.

--
Rusty Hinge http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm

Dark thoughts about the Wumpus concerto played with piano,
iron bar and two sledge hammers. (Wumpus, 15/11/03)

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:32:13 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from martin contains these words:

Is it o.k. to hunt and rip apart dogs that crap on the pavement?

No. of course not. You apply that sanction to the owner.

that goes without asking.

sharpens cats' claws and tortoise's beak
--
Martin

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:30:13 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous Sender wrote:

A free education lesson for the simple pro hunt loons who appear to
find working a chore.



Animal sound solutions

"sound solutions":

1. Nature regulates itself....so their number will decrease.
2. To protect chickens, build a good, solid pen...
3. To protect ducks, give them a large pond.
4. The presence of a dog can also scare foxes.
5. The catching and/or killing of foxes is needless.

Foxes


Although this predator can cause dissatisfaction by stealing chickens
or rabbits from out of hunting areas, we have to avow that the fox is
part of our fauna and plays an important role in nature. Foxes help
regulate the population of rabbits, birds and little rodents. The fact
that the fox population has recovered over the last years, is good
news. They can only survive if there is enough food (i.e. small
animals) to eat. The more small animals there are, the more foxes
there will be. Nature regulates itself. If the foxes eat too many
newborn rabbits in spring, there will be less grown rabbits the
following year, which means less food for the foxes, so their number
will decrease. That is what we call natural balance.

Do they starve to death, kill each other off, or both?

We must be aware that foxes actually live in the woods and must take
some precautions. A fox is a omnivore, this means that he eats
everything, even chickens. Chickens and ducks can be killed by a fox
if they are not protected. To protect chickens, build a good, solid
pen which can be closed at nights or put a fence around it. Beware
that a fox is very pliant; it is important that the fence is about 2 m
high. Best put some barbed wire before the fence. Also dig some wire
into the ground or put some concrete in the ground so the fox cannot
burrow a tunnel under the fence. To protect ducks, give them a large
pond. In case of danger, they can go to the middle of the pond and
cannot be caught.

What kind of advice is that? Suggesting that everyone who has
some ducks build a large pond for them. That might be tough on
people who don't have a large yard. But even if they did, and had
a creek, and the perfect area to dam up, and the equipment and
knowhow to do it...how many people would to go to that much effort
just to keep foxes off their ducks?

It is often said that a fox is a very cruel animal. He goes into the
henhouse and kills all of the chickens without eating them or taking
them with him. This kind of slaughter is very difficult to understand.
This behaviour, which we call ‘surplus killing’, has, however, nothing
to do with a cruel, bloodthirsty character, but is an instinctive way
of surviving. When a predator gets in contact with a lot of prey in
panic and no way to escape, the predator’s instinct will be stimulated
and he will kill all the animals in his surroundings. In the wild,
such situations do not exist, because if one (or two) animal gets
caught, the others run away. The presence of a dog can also scare
foxes. The catching and/or killing of foxes is needless.

That all depends on how well "what we call natural balance" is
working. It's absurd to think there are no cases in which foxes should
be removed, or killed, just as there are cases when dogs are removed
and killed.

When your
chickens are ‘easy to catch’, predator after predator will give it a
try!

http://home.pi.be/~nahuceop/foxes.htm

"LordSnooty" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:03:26 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Anonymous Sender" wrote in message
tacolo.com...
A free education lesson for the simple pro hunt loons who appear to
find working a chore.



Animal sound solutions


Foxes


Although this predator can cause dissatisfaction by stealing chickens
or rabbits from out of hunting areas, we have to avow that the fox is
part of our fauna and plays an important role in nature. Foxes help
regulate the population of rabbits, birds and little rodents. The fact
that the fox population has recovered over the last years, is good
news. They can only survive if there is enough food (i.e. small
animals) to eat. The more small animals there are, the more foxes
there will be. Nature regulates itself. If the foxes eat too many
newborn rabbits in spring, there will be less grown rabbits the
following year, which means less food for the foxes, so their number
will decrease. That is what we call natural balance.

Unfortunately, the equation which determines the fox population as a
function of time is what mathematicians call a chaotic equation. The
much
vaunted natural balance will not occur if there were only grass, rabbita
and
foxs.

Try not to make your ignorance too obvious fritz, what comic did you
read that drivel from?

Read any introductory book on the maths of chaotic systems. It is one of
the first equations usually used to illustrate the major features of a
chaos.

Try and remember not to speak from a position of ignorance. It shows.

Franz

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:59:18 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"LordSnooty" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:03:26 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Anonymous Sender" wrote in message
tacolo.com...
A free education lesson for the simple pro hunt loons who appear to
find working a chore.



Animal sound solutions


Foxes


Although this predator can cause dissatisfaction by stealing chickens
or rabbits from out of hunting areas, we have to avow that the fox is
part of our fauna and plays an important role in nature. Foxes help
regulate the population of rabbits, birds and little rodents. The fact
that the fox population has recovered over the last years, is good
news. They can only survive if there is enough food (i.e. small
animals) to eat. The more small animals there are, the more foxes
there will be. Nature regulates itself. If the foxes eat too many
newborn rabbits in spring, there will be less grown rabbits the
following year, which means less food for the foxes, so their number
will decrease. That is what we call natural balance.

Unfortunately, the equation which determines the fox population as a
function of time is what mathematicians call a chaotic equation. The
much
vaunted natural balance will not occur if there were only grass, rabbita
and
foxs.

Try not to make your ignorance too obvious fritz, what comic did you
read that drivel from?

Read any introductory book on the maths of chaotic systems. It is one of
the first equations usually used to illustrate the major features of a
chaos.

I know well enough what it is, it's your interpretation that was
laughable and nonsensical.




**********************************************




'You can't win 'em all.'
Lord Haw Haw.

Since I stopped donating money to CONservation hooligan charities
Like the RSPB, Woodland Trust and all the other fat cat charities
I am in the top 0.801% richest people in the world.
There are 5,951,930,035 people poorer than me

If you're really interested I am the 48,069,965
richest person in the world.

And I'm keeping the bloody lot.

So sue me.

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

Newsgroup ettiquette

1) Tell everyone the Trolls don't bother you.
2) Say you've killfiled them, yet continue to respond.
3) Tell other people off who repsond despite doing so yourself.
4) Continually talk about Trolls while maintaining
they're having no effect.
5) Publicly post killfile rules so the Trolls know
how to avoid them.
6) Make lame legal threats and other barrel scraping
manoeuvres when your abuse reports are ignored.
7) Eat vast quantities of pies.
8) Forget to brush your teeth for several decades.
9) Help a demon.local poster with their email while
secretly reading it.
10) Pretend you're a hard ******* when in fact you're
as bent as a roundabout.
11) Become the laughing stock of Usenet like Mabbet
12) Die of old age
13) Keep paying Dr Chartham his fees and hope one day you
will have a penis the girls can see.

---------------------------------------

"If you would'nt talk to them in a bar, don't *uckin' vote for them"

"Australia was not *discovered* it was invaded"
The Big Yin.

I posted an article here but forgot to add that I will not be around to
reply to responses till nearly Christmas.

--
Regards from Robert Seago : http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/rjseago

"LordSnooty" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:59:18 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"LordSnooty" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:03:26 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Anonymous Sender" wrote in message
tacolo.com...
A free education lesson for the simple pro hunt loons who appear to
find working a chore.



Animal sound solutions


Foxes


Although this predator can cause dissatisfaction by stealing
chickens
or rabbits from out of hunting areas, we have to avow that the fox
is
part of our fauna and plays an important role in nature. Foxes help
regulate the population of rabbits, birds and little rodents. The
fact
that the fox population has recovered over the last years, is good
news. They can only survive if there is enough food (i.e. small
animals) to eat. The more small animals there are, the more foxes
there will be. Nature regulates itself. If the foxes eat too many
newborn rabbits in spring, there will be less grown rabbits the
following year, which means less food for the foxes, so their number
will decrease. That is what we call natural balance.

Unfortunately, the equation which determines the fox population as a
function of time is what mathematicians call a chaotic equation. The
much
vaunted natural balance will not occur if there were only grass,
rabbita
and
foxs.

Try not to make your ignorance too obvious fritz, what comic did you
read that drivel from?

Read any introductory book on the maths of chaotic systems. It is one of
the first equations usually used to illustrate the major features of a
chaos.

I know well enough what it is, it's your interpretation that was
laughable and nonsensical.

You are a liar. I have studied the equations relating the fox population,
the rabbit population and the state of the grass and have solved them. I
have verified that they express the behaviour of a chaotic system, because
they are highly non-linear.

Franz

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:15:20 +0000 (GMT), Robert Seago
wrote:

I posted an article here but forgot to add that I will not be around to
reply to responses till nearly Christmas.

It is nearly Christmas.
--
Martin