On 7 Jan 2004 21:13:39 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In article , Nick Maclaren
writes
You'll have to ask the EC.

Apparently, carrots are now fruit.....

That is only following a UK precedent. The Ministry of Food was
very keen on treating them as fruit in the 1940s.

The tale I heard was - jam is made from fruit, the Portuguese make
carrot jam, therefore carrot is a fruit.

That is what I heard, whether or not it is true.

What is not said by the people who quote it is that, until we joined
the EU, it was perfectly legal (in the UK) to describe a conserve made
out of turnips and woodchips and describe it as "100% natural raspberry
jam". It may even have been legal to describe it as "100% pure fruit
raspberry jam".

The nasty-minded EU infringed the liberty of people to do that. Quite
disgraceful.

However thanks to our politicians and vested interests in the brewing
and food industry they still allow
a mixture of brown gunge and sugar to be described as chocolate.
Vegetable fat and sugar as ice cream
lumps of mechanically recovered fat in a plastic condom as a sausage
bottles of fizzy chemical as beer
and so on.
--
Martin

On 7 Jan 2004 21:13:39 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In article , Nick Maclaren
writes
You'll have to ask the EC.

Apparently, carrots are now fruit.....

That is only following a UK precedent. The Ministry of Food was
very keen on treating them as fruit in the 1940s.

The tale I heard was - jam is made from fruit, the Portuguese make
carrot jam, therefore carrot is a fruit.

That is what I heard, whether or not it is true.

What is not said by the people who quote it is that, until we joined
the EU, it was perfectly legal (in the UK) to describe a conserve made
out of turnips and woodchips and describe it as "100% natural raspberry
jam". It may even have been legal to describe it as "100% pure fruit
raspberry jam".

The nasty-minded EU infringed the liberty of people to do that. Quite
disgraceful.

However thanks to our politicians and vested interests in the brewing
and food industry they still allow
a mixture of brown gunge and sugar to be described as chocolate.
Vegetable fat and sugar as ice cream
lumps of mechanically recovered fat in a plastic condom as a sausage
bottles of fizzy chemical as beer
and so on.
--
Martin

The message
from Anne Jackson contains these words:
The message
from Jaques d'Alltrades contains
these words:
The message
from Anne Jackson contains these words:

I have a redundant sunbed in the attic. Could the light problem be
overcome,
if I was to rig that up and bypass the automatic time control?

If you substituted daylight bulbs/tubes, I expect so. What are you
thinking of growing? Cacti? Olives? Merulas?

Texas Bluebonnets.

With a sunbed I would have believed rednecks.....

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
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The message
from Anne Jackson contains these words:
The message
from Jaques d'Alltrades contains
these words:
The message
from Anne Jackson contains these words:

I have a redundant sunbed in the attic. Could the light problem be
overcome,
if I was to rig that up and bypass the automatic time control?

If you substituted daylight bulbs/tubes, I expect so. What are you
thinking of growing? Cacti? Olives? Merulas?

Texas Bluebonnets.

With a sunbed I would have believed rednecks.....

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from Anne Jackson contains these words:
The message
from Jaques d'Alltrades contains
these words:
The message
from Anne Jackson contains these words:

I have a redundant sunbed in the attic. Could the light problem be
overcome,
if I was to rig that up and bypass the automatic time control?

If you substituted daylight bulbs/tubes, I expect so. What are you
thinking of growing? Cacti? Olives? Merulas?

Texas Bluebonnets.

With a sunbed I would have believed rednecks.....

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

In article ,
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message
from Anne Jackson contains these words:

I have a redundant sunbed in the attic. Could the light problem be
overcome,
if I was to rig that up and bypass the automatic time control?

If you substituted daylight bulbs/tubes, I expect so. What are you
thinking of growing? Cacti? Olives? Merulas?

Texas Bluebonnets.

With a sunbed I would have believed rednecks.....

But you use Texas Bluebonnets to avoid Texas Rednecks ....


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article ,
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message
from Anne Jackson contains these words:

I have a redundant sunbed in the attic. Could the light problem be
overcome,
if I was to rig that up and bypass the automatic time control?

If you substituted daylight bulbs/tubes, I expect so. What are you
thinking of growing? Cacti? Olives? Merulas?

Texas Bluebonnets.

With a sunbed I would have believed rednecks.....

But you use Texas Bluebonnets to avoid Texas Rednecks ....


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 7 Jan 2004 23:00:16 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

In article ,
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message
from Anne Jackson contains these words:

I have a redundant sunbed in the attic. Could the light problem be
overcome,
if I was to rig that up and bypass the automatic time control?

If you substituted daylight bulbs/tubes, I expect so. What are you
thinking of growing? Cacti? Olives? Merulas?

Texas Bluebonnets.

With a sunbed I would have believed rednecks.....

But you use Texas Bluebonnets to avoid Texas Rednecks ....

Don't be silly of course he doesn't.
--
Martin

On 7 Jan 2004 23:00:16 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

In article ,
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message
from Anne Jackson contains these words:

I have a redundant sunbed in the attic. Could the light problem be
overcome,
if I was to rig that up and bypass the automatic time control?

If you substituted daylight bulbs/tubes, I expect so. What are you
thinking of growing? Cacti? Olives? Merulas?

Texas Bluebonnets.

With a sunbed I would have believed rednecks.....

But you use Texas Bluebonnets to avoid Texas Rednecks ....

Don't be silly of course he doesn't.
--
Martin

The message
from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:
In article ,
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message
from "Martin Sykes" contains
these words:

PS. I always forget, is a tomato a vegetable or a fruit?

You'll have to ask the EC.

Apparently, carrots are now fruit.....

That is only following a UK precedent. The Ministry of Food was
very keen on treating them as fruit in the 1940s.

As I understand it, either the Dutch or the Belgians make jam from
carrots, and you aren't allowed to call anything jam (or confiture?)
unless it's made from fruit, which upset the poor nationals in the same
way that Cadbury's and Co were miffed when they were threatened with a
ban on calling their products 'chocolate'.

Nonsense has prevailed as usual.

I notice that Jacob's still make cream crackers.......

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from Stewart Robert Hinsley contains these words:

That is only following a UK precedent. The Ministry of Food was
very keen on treating them as fruit in the 1940s.

The tale I heard was - jam is made from fruit, the Portuguese make
carrot jam, therefore carrot is a fruit.

Ah, so it's the Portugese - I had an idea it was the Belgians, but I
knew it was *SOMEONE*!

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:

The tale I heard was - jam is made from fruit, the Portuguese make
carrot jam, therefore carrot is a fruit.

That is what I heard, whether or not it is true.

What is not said by the people who quote it is that, until we joined
the EU, it was perfectly legal (in the UK) to describe a conserve made
out of turnips and woodchips and describe it as "100% natural raspberry
jam". It may even have been legal to describe it as "100% pure fruit
raspberry jam".

I think that practice was knocked on the head in the '50s. I bought a
table-top plate warmer with two nightlights under a pressed plate. The
box said it had a nickel plate. After a while, some steel crept in under
the nickel and began to rust.......

Around the early 'fifties, my mother, a physioterrorist, had a new
patient on an industrial injury scheme. She asked him the usual
questions: name, address, name of doctor, firm etc. Occupation?
"Pipper."

"What's a pipper?"

"Oh, I make the pips we put in raspberry jam."

He worked a machine which made pips out of wood. The rest of the jam was
mangolds, sugar, flavouring and colour.

The nasty-minded EU infringed the liberty of people to do that. Quite
disgraceful.

ICBA to google for it, but I'd guess that the Trades Descriptons Act
probably predated any Common market rule to that effect, and it predated
the EU by a very long time.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:
In article ,
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message
from "Martin Sykes" contains
these words:

PS. I always forget, is a tomato a vegetable or a fruit?

You'll have to ask the EC.

Apparently, carrots are now fruit.....

That is only following a UK precedent. The Ministry of Food was
very keen on treating them as fruit in the 1940s.

As I understand it, either the Dutch or the Belgians make jam from
carrots, and you aren't allowed to call anything jam (or confiture?)
unless it's made from fruit, which upset the poor nationals in the same
way that Cadbury's and Co were miffed when they were threatened with a
ban on calling their products 'chocolate'.

Nonsense has prevailed as usual.

I notice that Jacob's still make cream crackers.......

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from Stewart Robert Hinsley contains these words:

That is only following a UK precedent. The Ministry of Food was
very keen on treating them as fruit in the 1940s.

The tale I heard was - jam is made from fruit, the Portuguese make
carrot jam, therefore carrot is a fruit.

Ah, so it's the Portugese - I had an idea it was the Belgians, but I
knew it was *SOMEONE*!

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:

The tale I heard was - jam is made from fruit, the Portuguese make
carrot jam, therefore carrot is a fruit.

That is what I heard, whether or not it is true.

What is not said by the people who quote it is that, until we joined
the EU, it was perfectly legal (in the UK) to describe a conserve made
out of turnips and woodchips and describe it as "100% natural raspberry
jam". It may even have been legal to describe it as "100% pure fruit
raspberry jam".

I think that practice was knocked on the head in the '50s. I bought a
table-top plate warmer with two nightlights under a pressed plate. The
box said it had a nickel plate. After a while, some steel crept in under
the nickel and began to rust.......

Around the early 'fifties, my mother, a physioterrorist, had a new
patient on an industrial injury scheme. She asked him the usual
questions: name, address, name of doctor, firm etc. Occupation?
"Pipper."

"What's a pipper?"

"Oh, I make the pips we put in raspberry jam."

He worked a machine which made pips out of wood. The rest of the jam was
mangolds, sugar, flavouring and colour.

The nasty-minded EU infringed the liberty of people to do that. Quite
disgraceful.

ICBA to google for it, but I'd guess that the Trades Descriptons Act
probably predated any Common market rule to that effect, and it predated
the EU by a very long time.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/