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"Bob" wrote in
: Anyway it is a project that will take me a number of years and no doubt the plans will change many times as they have so far, what I have tried to do is to finish the first area before moving on but winter is the best time for jungle clearance (no leaves to get in the way). Well it certainly makes a really interesting read! I hope you will keep us up to date on your future discoveries and plans. Victoria -- gardening on a north-facing hill in South-East Cornwall -- |
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"Martin Sykes" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Disposing of unrottable PVC in this way is just as irresponsible. I doubt very much if it is legal to do so. Franz I'm not sure this would count as 'disposing of it'. It's just being used as a surface to ride horses on. I don't think it's any different that putting down tarmac or concrete. As long as at the end of its life it is removed and disposed of properly then what's the problem? People use broken CDs as decorative mulch. Bob Flowerdew uses old carpets. As long as that's not it's final resting place it should be fine. Do you really think anyone is going to sort the PVC from the rottable stuff when the time comes? Franz |
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"Martin Sykes" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Disposing of unrottable PVC in this way is just as irresponsible. I doubt very much if it is legal to do so. Franz I'm not sure this would count as 'disposing of it'. It's just being used as a surface to ride horses on. I don't think it's any different that putting down tarmac or concrete. As long as at the end of its life it is removed and disposed of properly then what's the problem? People use broken CDs as decorative mulch. Bob Flowerdew uses old carpets. As long as that's not it's final resting place it should be fine. Do you really think anyone is going to sort the PVC from the rottable stuff when the time comes? Franz |
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"Martin Sykes" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Disposing of unrottable PVC in this way is just as irresponsible. I doubt very much if it is legal to do so. Franz I'm not sure this would count as 'disposing of it'. It's just being used as a surface to ride horses on. I don't think it's any different that putting down tarmac or concrete. As long as at the end of its life it is removed and disposed of properly then what's the problem? People use broken CDs as decorative mulch. Bob Flowerdew uses old carpets. As long as that's not it's final resting place it should be fine. Do you really think anyone is going to sort the PVC from the rottable stuff when the time comes? Franz |
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Do you have plans for what you want to achieve with your garden? It sounds as if you will be able to create a few different distinct areas within your garden. I did have a plan but as I have discovered things I am modifying it. Basically the land is on a slight slope and runs exactly east - west with the bottom of the slope being in the east. My first part of the project was to build a conservatory which meant that we were left with a steep slope for the first 10 yards or so, I have now terraced this with a wide set of steps - in the centre of these is a ramp to get a wheel barrow up. I have built a wooden ram which pits into slots in the brickwork to allow other things up including a mini digger so far - this ramp is normally stored in my workshop. The beds withing the terrace are to be used for annuals as it will give a good lot of colour in the summer and they are easy to clear each year to allow me to keep the beds clean. Next will be a patio area with a 20 foot by 10 foot pond along the north side, I have excavated it (hence the digger) but it will be finished in the spring when the fibre glass will set properly, along the north side is an eight foot high wall at which ends at a small outbuilding which has the filtration equipment in it. From the front of the outbuilding across the garden I planned a frame to hold climbers and to effectively separate the 'room part of the garden from the rest. The winds are predominately west to east so breaking up the garden into rooms will soften the impact of the wind, also as the run north south they do not cread a massive shadow problem. After that my plans were a broad path winding between shrubs followed by another break this is now going to change as I will have the greenhouse on the site of the old one with a smaller area of perennials and small shrubs between the first divider and the greenhouse. Then comes the raised beds - they look like a 12 month project on their own to get right - the raised beds run north south and the greenhouse is on the same orientation. So far there will be no grass at all, the paths will be brick paving to the point of the end of the raised beds. After that I do want to have an orchard and I still want my path winding through shrubs but I will have to see what else I find. Of course I still have about 400 feet of garden to plan so any thoughts are welcome. The soil, it is pretty exhaused because of all the treens but it is good quality but faily light, I only know about some parts but when I excavated the pond the soil was a good 18 inches deep before the subsoil, I suspect it is shallower further up the slope which might explain the raised beds. On thing about the beds is that they have a pretty substansial woden frame down the centre of each one which must have supported something. I have retialed the trunks of the very large leylandii, they didn't have a single trunk and I have about 300 of these stacked in the garden - I plan to use them to create the frams form my climbers. Yes I am taking photographs and so is my wife, including the one of me trying to stop the water when I cut into the pipe, the ground is white over with frost and she finds it amusing to show everybody. Anyway it is a project that will take me a number of years and no doubt the plans will change many times as they have so far, what I have tried to do is to finish the first area before moving on but winter is the best time for jungle clearance (no leaves to get in the way). Bob |
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Do you have plans for what you want to achieve with your garden? It sounds as if you will be able to create a few different distinct areas within your garden. I did have a plan but as I have discovered things I am modifying it. Basically the land is on a slight slope and runs exactly east - west with the bottom of the slope being in the east. My first part of the project was to build a conservatory which meant that we were left with a steep slope for the first 10 yards or so, I have now terraced this with a wide set of steps - in the centre of these is a ramp to get a wheel barrow up. I have built a wooden ram which pits into slots in the brickwork to allow other things up including a mini digger so far - this ramp is normally stored in my workshop. The beds withing the terrace are to be used for annuals as it will give a good lot of colour in the summer and they are easy to clear each year to allow me to keep the beds clean. Next will be a patio area with a 20 foot by 10 foot pond along the north side, I have excavated it (hence the digger) but it will be finished in the spring when the fibre glass will set properly, along the north side is an eight foot high wall at which ends at a small outbuilding which has the filtration equipment in it. From the front of the outbuilding across the garden I planned a frame to hold climbers and to effectively separate the 'room part of the garden from the rest. The winds are predominately west to east so breaking up the garden into rooms will soften the impact of the wind, also as the run north south they do not cread a massive shadow problem. After that my plans were a broad path winding between shrubs followed by another break this is now going to change as I will have the greenhouse on the site of the old one with a smaller area of perennials and small shrubs between the first divider and the greenhouse. Then comes the raised beds - they look like a 12 month project on their own to get right - the raised beds run north south and the greenhouse is on the same orientation. So far there will be no grass at all, the paths will be brick paving to the point of the end of the raised beds. After that I do want to have an orchard and I still want my path winding through shrubs but I will have to see what else I find. Of course I still have about 400 feet of garden to plan so any thoughts are welcome. The soil, it is pretty exhaused because of all the treens but it is good quality but faily light, I only know about some parts but when I excavated the pond the soil was a good 18 inches deep before the subsoil, I suspect it is shallower further up the slope which might explain the raised beds. On thing about the beds is that they have a pretty substansial woden frame down the centre of each one which must have supported something. I have retialed the trunks of the very large leylandii, they didn't have a single trunk and I have about 300 of these stacked in the garden - I plan to use them to create the frams form my climbers. Yes I am taking photographs and so is my wife, including the one of me trying to stop the water when I cut into the pipe, the ground is white over with frost and she finds it amusing to show everybody. Anyway it is a project that will take me a number of years and no doubt the plans will change many times as they have so far, what I have tried to do is to finish the first area before moving on but winter is the best time for jungle clearance (no leaves to get in the way). Bob |
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Do you have plans for what you want to achieve with your garden? It sounds as if you will be able to create a few different distinct areas within your garden. I did have a plan but as I have discovered things I am modifying it. Basically the land is on a slight slope and runs exactly east - west with the bottom of the slope being in the east. My first part of the project was to build a conservatory which meant that we were left with a steep slope for the first 10 yards or so, I have now terraced this with a wide set of steps - in the centre of these is a ramp to get a wheel barrow up. I have built a wooden ram which pits into slots in the brickwork to allow other things up including a mini digger so far - this ramp is normally stored in my workshop. The beds withing the terrace are to be used for annuals as it will give a good lot of colour in the summer and they are easy to clear each year to allow me to keep the beds clean. Next will be a patio area with a 20 foot by 10 foot pond along the north side, I have excavated it (hence the digger) but it will be finished in the spring when the fibre glass will set properly, along the north side is an eight foot high wall at which ends at a small outbuilding which has the filtration equipment in it. From the front of the outbuilding across the garden I planned a frame to hold climbers and to effectively separate the 'room part of the garden from the rest. The winds are predominately west to east so breaking up the garden into rooms will soften the impact of the wind, also as the run north south they do not cread a massive shadow problem. After that my plans were a broad path winding between shrubs followed by another break this is now going to change as I will have the greenhouse on the site of the old one with a smaller area of perennials and small shrubs between the first divider and the greenhouse. Then comes the raised beds - they look like a 12 month project on their own to get right - the raised beds run north south and the greenhouse is on the same orientation. So far there will be no grass at all, the paths will be brick paving to the point of the end of the raised beds. After that I do want to have an orchard and I still want my path winding through shrubs but I will have to see what else I find. Of course I still have about 400 feet of garden to plan so any thoughts are welcome. The soil, it is pretty exhaused because of all the treens but it is good quality but faily light, I only know about some parts but when I excavated the pond the soil was a good 18 inches deep before the subsoil, I suspect it is shallower further up the slope which might explain the raised beds. On thing about the beds is that they have a pretty substansial woden frame down the centre of each one which must have supported something. I have retialed the trunks of the very large leylandii, they didn't have a single trunk and I have about 300 of these stacked in the garden - I plan to use them to create the frams form my climbers. Yes I am taking photographs and so is my wife, including the one of me trying to stop the water when I cut into the pipe, the ground is white over with frost and she finds it amusing to show everybody. Anyway it is a project that will take me a number of years and no doubt the plans will change many times as they have so far, what I have tried to do is to finish the first area before moving on but winter is the best time for jungle clearance (no leaves to get in the way). Bob |
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"Bob" wrote in
: Anyway it is a project that will take me a number of years and no doubt the plans will change many times as they have so far, what I have tried to do is to finish the first area before moving on but winter is the best time for jungle clearance (no leaves to get in the way). Well it certainly makes a really interesting read! I hope you will keep us up to date on your future discoveries and plans. Victoria -- gardening on a north-facing hill in South-East Cornwall -- |
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"Bob" wrote in
: Anyway it is a project that will take me a number of years and no doubt the plans will change many times as they have so far, what I have tried to do is to finish the first area before moving on but winter is the best time for jungle clearance (no leaves to get in the way). Well it certainly makes a really interesting read! I hope you will keep us up to date on your future discoveries and plans. Victoria -- gardening on a north-facing hill in South-East Cornwall -- |
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"Bob" wrote in
: Anyway it is a project that will take me a number of years and no doubt the plans will change many times as they have so far, what I have tried to do is to finish the first area before moving on but winter is the best time for jungle clearance (no leaves to get in the way). Well it certainly makes a really interesting read! I hope you will keep us up to date on your future discoveries and plans. Victoria -- gardening on a north-facing hill in South-East Cornwall -- |
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from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: That sounds like a pretty irresponsible thing to do! Are they really distributing small cut up pieces of copper and PVC all over the place? It sounds like the proverbial kicking the shit around till it is lost. Do they have a licence to do so? Does the local authority condone it? No problem with PVC - it acts in the same way as stones in soil, but is lighter. Copper might be a problem, but I would guess that this is removed before the chopping is done. Clean copper is worth saving. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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from martin contains these words: they still shouldn't be disposing of the sheath in this manner. Put forward one good reason why not? -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: Just a guess but they probably recycle the copper as it's useful and just chop up the plastic sheath? Disposing of unrottable PVC in this way is just as irresponsible. I doubt very much if it is legal to do so. Someone tell The Good Lord that all the sand and stones he left on the bedrock might get Him into trouble....... -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: The message from martin contains these words: they still shouldn't be disposing of the sheath in this manner. Put forward one good reason why not? I believe that the plasticisers are toxic and can leach. It also means that, if the earth is burnt for any reason, the fumes are seriously toxic. That's two. Neither are as ecologically serious as is sometimes made out, but PVC isn't a nice substance. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: That sounds like a pretty irresponsible thing to do! Are they really distributing small cut up pieces of copper and PVC all over the place? It sounds like the proverbial kicking the shit around till it is lost. Do they have a licence to do so? Does the local authority condone it? No problem with PVC - it acts in the same way as stones in soil, but is lighter. Copper might be a problem, but I would guess that this is removed before the chopping is done. Clean copper is worth saving. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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