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from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

That sounds like a pretty irresponsible thing to do! Are they really
distributing small cut up pieces of copper and PVC all over the place? It
sounds like the proverbial kicking the shit around till it is lost. Do they
have a licence to do so? Does the local authority condone it?

No problem with PVC - it acts in the same way as stones in soil, but is
lighter. Copper might be a problem, but I would guess that this is
removed before the chopping is done. Clean copper is worth saving.

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from martin contains these words:

they still shouldn't be disposing of the sheath in this manner.

Put forward one good reason why not?

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Just a guess but they probably recycle the copper as it's useful and just
chop up the plastic sheath?

Disposing of unrottable PVC in this way is just as irresponsible. I doubt
very much if it is legal to do so.

Someone tell The Good Lord that all the sand and stones he left on the
bedrock might get Him into trouble.......

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Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message
from martin contains these words:

they still shouldn't be disposing of the sheath in this manner.

Put forward one good reason why not?

I believe that the plasticisers are toxic and can leach.

It also means that, if the earth is burnt for any reason, the fumes
are seriously toxic.

That's two. Neither are as ecologically serious as is sometimes made
out, but PVC isn't a nice substance.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:24:11 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from martin contains these words:

they still shouldn't be disposing of the sheath in this manner.

Put forward one good reason why not?

because the world is not man's dustbin
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...
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Do you really think anyone is going to sort the PVC from the rottable
stuff
when the time comes?

No. I expect they will clear the whole lot and dump it in a landfill. I'm
not saying I like that as a solution but if it is going to go in landfilll
anyway as there doesn't seem to be any other way of disposing of it, then
what does it matter if it is used for something useful first? I don't see a
lot of complaints when Alan Titchmarsh uses expanded polystyrene as drainage
in his pots. I bet that doesn't get untangled from the roots and soil at the
end of its life either.

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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...
snip
Do you really think anyone is going to sort the PVC from the rottable
stuff
when the time comes?

No. I expect they will clear the whole lot and dump it in a landfill. I'm
not saying I like that as a solution but if it is going to go in landfilll
anyway as there doesn't seem to be any other way of disposing of it, then
what does it matter if it is used for something useful first? I don't see a
lot of complaints when Alan Titchmarsh uses expanded polystyrene as drainage
in his pots. I bet that doesn't get untangled from the roots and soil at the
end of its life either.

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from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

Do you really think anyone is going to sort the PVC from the rottable stuff
when the time comes?

When you dig your garden, do you take all the non-organic matter out?
There is a local authority somewhere oop North (can't unforget where)
which pioneered recycling of household and industrial waste.

One of the operations was to compost anything organic, separate soil,
dust etc, comminute plastics and mix the lot together as soil
conditioner/potting compost.

The plastic pieces acted in the same way as stones in soil: they helped
to retain moisture while facilitating drainage. As a side-benefit, the
compost was much lighter than soil-based ones.

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The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

Do you really think anyone is going to sort the PVC from the rottable stuff
when the time comes?

When you dig your garden, do you take all the non-organic matter out?
There is a local authority somewhere oop North (can't unforget where)
which pioneered recycling of household and industrial waste.

One of the operations was to compost anything organic, separate soil,
dust etc, comminute plastics and mix the lot together as soil
conditioner/potting compost.

The plastic pieces acted in the same way as stones in soil: they helped
to retain moisture while facilitating drainage. As a side-benefit, the
compost was much lighter than soil-based ones.

--
Rusty
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The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

Do you really think anyone is going to sort the PVC from the rottable stuff
when the time comes?

When you dig your garden, do you take all the non-organic matter out?
There is a local authority somewhere oop North (can't unforget where)
which pioneered recycling of household and industrial waste.

One of the operations was to compost anything organic, separate soil,
dust etc, comminute plastics and mix the lot together as soil
conditioner/potting compost.

The plastic pieces acted in the same way as stones in soil: they helped
to retain moisture while facilitating drainage. As a side-benefit, the
compost was much lighter than soil-based ones.

--
Rusty
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from martin contains these words:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:24:11 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:
The message
from martin contains these words:

they still shouldn't be disposing of the sheath in this manner.

Put forward one good reason why not?

because the world is not man's dustbin

Empirical evidence suggests otherwise - however, sensible re-use of
materials is not the same as dumping.

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The message
from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:
In article ,
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message
from martin contains these words:

they still shouldn't be disposing of the sheath in this manner.

Put forward one good reason why not?

I believe that the plasticisers are toxic and can leach.

If they do, it will be at a very minor level - PVC is one of the more
stable plastics.

It also means that, if the earth is burnt for any reason, the fumes
are seriously toxic.

That could present problems, granted, but the chances of a large
volume/area being burnt is rather low, especially as most of it will
melt and seal in the rest.

That's two. Neither are as ecologically serious as is sometimes made
out, but PVC isn't a nice substance.

Not finely sliced and mixed with your tobacco, granted, but as plastics
go - er - it doesn't go fast enough.

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The message
from martin contains these words:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:24:11 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:
The message
from martin contains these words:

they still shouldn't be disposing of the sheath in this manner.

Put forward one good reason why not?

because the world is not man's dustbin

Empirical evidence suggests otherwise - however, sensible re-use of
materials is not the same as dumping.

--
Rusty
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The message
from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:
In article ,
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message
from martin contains these words:

they still shouldn't be disposing of the sheath in this manner.

Put forward one good reason why not?

I believe that the plasticisers are toxic and can leach.

If they do, it will be at a very minor level - PVC is one of the more
stable plastics.

It also means that, if the earth is burnt for any reason, the fumes
are seriously toxic.

That could present problems, granted, but the chances of a large
volume/area being burnt is rather low, especially as most of it will
melt and seal in the rest.

That's two. Neither are as ecologically serious as is sometimes made
out, but PVC isn't a nice substance.

Not finely sliced and mixed with your tobacco, granted, but as plastics
go - er - it doesn't go fast enough.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message
...
The message
from martin contains these words:

they still shouldn't be disposing of the sheath in this manner.

Put forward one good reason why not?

Because if it eventually ends up in compost, a lot of garden soil is going
to get poisoned when the plasticiser leaches out.

Franz