On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:04:19 +0000, Victoria Clare
wrote:

Frogleg wrote

I can understand dumping a sofa clandestinely, but lawn
clippings?!


Our dustbin men won't collect grass cuttings. If you don't want to compost
them, you have to take them to a refuse place yourself, and the nearest one
is quite a way away.

We are in a fairly rural area, and waste services are minimal - no
recycling collections, and you have to carry your bin bags out to a
collection point rather than the dustmen visiting each house.

We don't get bins provided either.

Ah. The light dawns. I'm sure there are many different arrangements.
My city's services are very generous, considering. The Big Trucks
will pick up even things like old rolls of carpet on Garbage Day.
About the only things that must be gotten rid of independently are
construction waste and various things like paint and oil and garden
chemicals. We put the wheely bins out at the curb, and they're
collected by 1-man trucks with automatic grabbing arms, rather than
individuals who empty bins or collect bags. The only non-mechanical
operation is collection of bagged lawn waste, where a couple of people
slit the bags and empty contents into the truck. The city next to
mine allows raking leaves to the edge of the road at certain times to
be swept/vacuumed up by special equipment. That city offers compost
and mulch for sale.

"Frogleg" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:25:38 -0000, "shazzbat"
wrote:

"Frogleg" wrote

I take it that fly-tipping is what we call 'illegal dumping', but
don't you have rubbish collection?

Yes it is what you call illegal dumping, but the situation in UK is very
inconsistent. Different councils have their own policy about what can or
cannot be collected with the weekly (in my area) domestic waste
collection,
which may be by means of bin bags, wheely bins or bulk bins which are
often
used for block of flats (apts).

I just looked up images of "wheely bins" and they look pretty much the
same ('though mine are a bit shorter and fatter) as my waste bins. But
still, why would anyone load a bin into their car/truck to dump on
another's property? Our trash pickup was a 'free' part of municipal
services until 10-15 yrs ago. When they changed, there was a lot of
discussion about charging for licensed rubbish bags and/or levying a
per-bag charge. The problem of fly-tipping was a very real
expectation. However, the bins and flat-rate fee pretty much took care
of that. I can understand dumping a sofa clandestinely, but lawn
clippings?!

Apart from anything else, how many people "just happen to have" a load of
lawn clippings in the back of the car to dump on impulse??

"Frogleg" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:25:38 -0000, "shazzbat"
wrote:

"Frogleg" wrote

I take it that fly-tipping is what we call 'illegal dumping', but
don't you have rubbish collection?

Yes it is what you call illegal dumping, but the situation in UK is very
inconsistent. Different councils have their own policy about what can or
cannot be collected with the weekly (in my area) domestic waste
collection,
which may be by means of bin bags, wheely bins or bulk bins which are
often
used for block of flats (apts).

I just looked up images of "wheely bins" and they look pretty much the
same ('though mine are a bit shorter and fatter) as my waste bins. But
still, why would anyone load a bin into their car/truck to dump on
another's property? Our trash pickup was a 'free' part of municipal
services until 10-15 yrs ago. When they changed, there was a lot of
discussion about charging for licensed rubbish bags and/or levying a
per-bag charge. The problem of fly-tipping was a very real
expectation. However, the bins and flat-rate fee pretty much took care
of that. I can understand dumping a sofa clandestinely, but lawn
clippings?!

Apart from anything else, how many people "just happen to have" a load of
lawn clippings in the back of the car to dump on impulse??

Frogleg wrote in
:

We put the wheely bins out at the curb, and they're
collected by 1-man trucks with automatic grabbing arms, rather than
individuals who empty bins or collect bags.

Living in a city has some compensations then!

I don't think that would work in our narrow, steep and winding cornish
lanes, where every house is a different distance from the road, and there
is certainly no curb (or for that matter, pavement).

The houses are quite widely separated too, and I think one reason the
collection service is so limited is that running collection services over a
long distance for each house is relatively expensive.

Your grabbing trucks might be able to pick up rubbish for 10 houses in, say
200 yards : our binmen might have to travel half a mile or more to do the
same number of houses.

Victoria

Frogleg wrote in
:

We put the wheely bins out at the curb, and they're
collected by 1-man trucks with automatic grabbing arms, rather than
individuals who empty bins or collect bags.

Living in a city has some compensations then!

I don't think that would work in our narrow, steep and winding cornish
lanes, where every house is a different distance from the road, and there
is certainly no curb (or for that matter, pavement).

The houses are quite widely separated too, and I think one reason the
collection service is so limited is that running collection services over a
long distance for each house is relatively expensive.

Your grabbing trucks might be able to pick up rubbish for 10 houses in, say
200 yards : our binmen might have to travel half a mile or more to do the
same number of houses.

Victoria

On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:22:34 +0000, Victoria Clare
wrote:

Frogleg wrote

We put the wheely bins out at the curb, and they're
collected by 1-man trucks with automatic grabbing arms,

I don't think that would work in our narrow, steep and winding cornish
lanes, where every house is a different distance from the road, and there
is certainly no curb (or for that matter, pavement).

Oh, but I've seen the Ground Force van in some mighty tight
situations. :-)

The houses are quite widely separated too, and I think one reason the
collection service is so limited is that running collection services over a
long distance for each house is relatively expensive.

Your grabbing trucks might be able to pick up rubbish for 10 houses in, say
200 yards : our binmen might have to travel half a mile or more to do the
same number of houses.

Let's see: 200 yards is 600 feet; the minimum lot width is 50 feet; so
10 houses in 200 yards is a very good estimate. (Cross-streets take up
the extra footage. ) And it's flat, flat with predominantly
retangular street layout. Now I'm wondering how (or if) *we* do rural
or semi-rural rubbish collection. The rich people along the
waterside are more widely separated, of course, but this road is also
flat and they put their bins out to the edge of the road same as I do.

On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:22:34 +0000, Victoria Clare
wrote:


The houses are quite widely separated too, and I think one reason the
collection service is so limited is that running collection services over a
long distance for each house is relatively expensive.

Your grabbing trucks might be able to pick up rubbish for 10 houses in, say
200 yards : our binmen might have to travel half a mile or more to do the
same number of houses.

It's not that easy we have to position our bins in a row of other
bins, in an exact place marked on a pavement. The same appears to be
true in more rural spots, the householders have to deliver their bins
to a specified location.
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:22:34 +0000, Victoria Clare
wrote:

Frogleg wrote

We put the wheely bins out at the curb, and they're
collected by 1-man trucks with automatic grabbing arms,

I don't think that would work in our narrow, steep and winding cornish
lanes, where every house is a different distance from the road, and there
is certainly no curb (or for that matter, pavement).

Oh, but I've seen the Ground Force van in some mighty tight
situations. :-)

The houses are quite widely separated too, and I think one reason the
collection service is so limited is that running collection services over a
long distance for each house is relatively expensive.

Your grabbing trucks might be able to pick up rubbish for 10 houses in, say
200 yards : our binmen might have to travel half a mile or more to do the
same number of houses.

Let's see: 200 yards is 600 feet; the minimum lot width is 50 feet; so
10 houses in 200 yards is a very good estimate. (Cross-streets take up
the extra footage. ) And it's flat, flat with predominantly
retangular street layout. Now I'm wondering how (or if) *we* do rural
or semi-rural rubbish collection. The rich people along the
waterside are more widely separated, of course, but this road is also
flat and they put their bins out to the edge of the road same as I do.

On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:22:34 +0000, Victoria Clare
wrote:

Frogleg wrote

We put the wheely bins out at the curb, and they're
collected by 1-man trucks with automatic grabbing arms,

I don't think that would work in our narrow, steep and winding cornish
lanes, where every house is a different distance from the road, and there
is certainly no curb (or for that matter, pavement).

Oh, but I've seen the Ground Force van in some mighty tight
situations. :-)

The houses are quite widely separated too, and I think one reason the
collection service is so limited is that running collection services over a
long distance for each house is relatively expensive.

Your grabbing trucks might be able to pick up rubbish for 10 houses in, say
200 yards : our binmen might have to travel half a mile or more to do the
same number of houses.

Let's see: 200 yards is 600 feet; the minimum lot width is 50 feet; so
10 houses in 200 yards is a very good estimate. (Cross-streets take up
the extra footage. ) And it's flat, flat with predominantly
retangular street layout. Now I'm wondering how (or if) *we* do rural
or semi-rural rubbish collection. The rich people along the
waterside are more widely separated, of course, but this road is also
flat and they put their bins out to the edge of the road same as I do.

On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:22:34 +0000, Victoria Clare
wrote:


The houses are quite widely separated too, and I think one reason the
collection service is so limited is that running collection services over a
long distance for each house is relatively expensive.

Your grabbing trucks might be able to pick up rubbish for 10 houses in, say
200 yards : our binmen might have to travel half a mile or more to do the
same number of houses.

It's not that easy we have to position our bins in a row of other
bins, in an exact place marked on a pavement. The same appears to be
true in more rural spots, the householders have to deliver their bins
to a specified location.
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:22:34 +0000, Victoria Clare
wrote:


The houses are quite widely separated too, and I think one reason the
collection service is so limited is that running collection services over a
long distance for each house is relatively expensive.

Your grabbing trucks might be able to pick up rubbish for 10 houses in, say
200 yards : our binmen might have to travel half a mile or more to do the
same number of houses.

It's not that easy we have to position our bins in a row of other
bins, in an exact place marked on a pavement. The same appears to be
true in more rural spots, the householders have to deliver their bins
to a specified location.
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

Frogleg wrote in
:

I don't think that would work in our narrow, steep and winding cornish
lanes, where every house is a different distance from the road, and
there is certainly no curb (or for that matter, pavement).

Oh, but I've seen the Ground Force van in some mighty tight
situations. :-)

You do see remarkably large things proceeding along lanes with seemingly
about half an inch of clearance either side. And you should see the milk
float go up the steep unsurfaced lane by our house! It makes a hell of a
noise, but somehow it does it :-)

I meant the grabbing arm thing really - it probably relies on the rubbish
being roughly the same distance from the truck, and on having a wheely bin
handle to grab. And for that you need to be able to wheel your bin out (no
steps) and have somewhere flat to leave it.

Victoria

On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:22:34 +0000, Victoria Clare
wrote:


The houses are quite widely separated too, and I think one reason the
collection service is so limited is that running collection services over a
long distance for each house is relatively expensive.

Your grabbing trucks might be able to pick up rubbish for 10 houses in, say
200 yards : our binmen might have to travel half a mile or more to do the
same number of houses.

It's not that easy we have to position our bins in a row of other
bins, in an exact place marked on a pavement. The same appears to be
true in more rural spots, the householders have to deliver their bins
to a specified location.
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:22:34 +0000, Victoria Clare
wrote:


The houses are quite widely separated too, and I think one reason the
collection service is so limited is that running collection services over a
long distance for each house is relatively expensive.

Your grabbing trucks might be able to pick up rubbish for 10 houses in, say
200 yards : our binmen might have to travel half a mile or more to do the
same number of houses.

It's not that easy we have to position our bins in a row of other
bins, in an exact place marked on a pavement. The same appears to be
true in more rural spots, the householders have to deliver their bins
to a specified location.
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

Frogleg wrote in
:

I don't think that would work in our narrow, steep and winding cornish
lanes, where every house is a different distance from the road, and
there is certainly no curb (or for that matter, pavement).

Oh, but I've seen the Ground Force van in some mighty tight
situations. :-)

You do see remarkably large things proceeding along lanes with seemingly
about half an inch of clearance either side. And you should see the milk
float go up the steep unsurfaced lane by our house! It makes a hell of a
noise, but somehow it does it :-)

I meant the grabbing arm thing really - it probably relies on the rubbish
being roughly the same distance from the truck, and on having a wheely bin
handle to grab. And for that you need to be able to wheel your bin out (no
steps) and have somewhere flat to leave it.

Victoria