On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:17:56 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message om
from "Dave Liquorice" contains these words:

Serious internal bleeding in humans is certainly painful.

Not warfarin-induced bleeding. Painful conditiond might have bleeding as
a side-effect, but bleeding of itself is not painful.

Oh dear me! the troll is on a roll, ignore him folks he is trying to
get your backs up.

No one can really be that stupid.

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:23:15 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:17:56 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message om
from "Dave Liquorice" contains these words:

Serious internal bleeding in humans is certainly painful.

Not warfarin-induced bleeding. Painful conditiond might have bleeding as
a side-effect, but bleeding of itself is not painful.

Oh dear me! the troll is on a roll, ignore him folks he is trying to
get your backs up.

No one can really be that stupid.

You are right
PLONK!
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:51:14 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

From personal experience, no there is *no* physical pain involved, as I
have
now stated at least three times.

But you haven't consumed enough to kill you ...

From Franz's last post I would guess that he has.

Now that's a pair of boobs we have, guess you now qualify as a couple
of tits?

Dozy Franz would have consumed a tiny fraction compared to the amount
a rodent would consume and die from., we are talking platefuls of the
stuff in comparison, so much so there simply is no comparison, no
matter how delusional the trolls are!

Now get lost you arseholes.

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:31:23 +0100, martin wrote:

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:23:15 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:17:56 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message om
from "Dave Liquorice" contains these words:

Serious internal bleeding in humans is certainly painful.

Not warfarin-induced bleeding. Painful conditiond might have bleeding as
a side-effect, but bleeding of itself is not painful.

Oh dear me! the troll is on a roll, ignore him folks he is trying to
get your backs up.

No one can really be that stupid.

You are right
PLONK!

How totally original and so scarey. This of course explains why the
village idiots really are so dumb!

Do you have one of those electronic zappers that make the bomb sounds,
on your tricycle to blast anyone who gets in your way? my two year old
does, imagine what fun he'll have when he discovers the dreaded PLONK
to eliminate the world of nasty people!

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:08:21 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved.

How do you know?

Plenty of people have died, or been poisoned as a result of ingesting
Warfarin, and they have been able to describe the effects.

ANd where did you see that?

Indeed, it is used in medicine in small doses to thin the blood in
certain conditions. My mother took it after having a stroke.

How does the village idiot relate that to the amount needed to kill a
rodent in three or four days?

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:08:21 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved.

How do you know?

Plenty of people have died, or been poisoned as a result of ingesting
Warfarin, and they have been able to describe the effects.

ANd where did you see that?

Indeed, it is used in medicine in small doses to thin the blood in
certain conditions. My mother took it after having a stroke.

How does the village idiot relate that to the amount needed to kill a
rodent in three or four days?

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
et...


If
you
fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain?

Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to
death
from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used
very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to
kill
something.

Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that was
known.
It seems now that there IS pain involved.

From personal experience, no there is *no* physical pain involved, as I
have
now stated at least three times.

But you haven't consumed enough to kill you ...

I had reached the verge of a coma without feeling any physical pain. Had I
actually become comatose, I would no longer have been able to feel any
further pain. {:-((

[snip]

Franz

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
et...


If
you
fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain?

Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to
death
from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used
very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to
kill
something.

Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that was
known.
It seems now that there IS pain involved.

From personal experience, no there is *no* physical pain involved, as I
have
now stated at least three times.

But you haven't consumed enough to kill you ...

I had reached the verge of a coma without feeling any physical pain. Had I
actually become comatose, I would no longer have been able to feel any
further pain. {:-((

[snip]

Franz

"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:37:15 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote
in
message
.. .


Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The
victims
just
get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma.

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the
passage
of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to
allow
nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and
the
animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no
pain
involved.

How do you know?

because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent.

The village idiot mentality is astounding!

That sounds like the voice of experience.

Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill.
If
you
fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain?

Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to
death
from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used
very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to
kill
something.

Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that waas
known.
It seems now that there IS pain involved.

Precisely.

Now who's the idiot?

The one who thinks there is no pain involved because grandad uses it
to ease a heart condition!

It does not "ease a heart condition" and I have not ever heard it being
used
for that. *I*, not my granddad, have been using warfarin daily for more
than a dozen years. *I* did once, by mistake, overuse it suffiently to
be
able to state categorically that there is no physical pain involved
before a
coma sets in.

I just don't believe the dummies coming out of the woodwork on this.
Why in the world do you think your medicine dosage of warfarin has any
connection at all with the dosage that kills rodents in the most
horrendous manner imaginable?
You alone have taken village idiots to
new heights of ignorance! sheesh......

Repeating nonsense ad inf does not convert it into a truth.
I have provided you with the evidence that I experience no physical pain
when I had taken enough Warfarin to take me to the verge of a coma. Had I
had any more, the most likely outcome would have been that I would have
become comatose quite soon, and would have died of brain haemorrage quite
soon after that. At what time would I have experienced this horrendously
painful death of which you keep talking?

Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills
rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable"

Franz

"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:37:15 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote
in
message
.. .


Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The
victims
just
get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma.

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the
passage
of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to
allow
nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and
the
animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no
pain
involved.

How do you know?

because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent.

The village idiot mentality is astounding!

That sounds like the voice of experience.

Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill.
If
you
fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain?

Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to
death
from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used
very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to
kill
something.

Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that waas
known.
It seems now that there IS pain involved.

Precisely.

Now who's the idiot?

The one who thinks there is no pain involved because grandad uses it
to ease a heart condition!

It does not "ease a heart condition" and I have not ever heard it being
used
for that. *I*, not my granddad, have been using warfarin daily for more
than a dozen years. *I* did once, by mistake, overuse it suffiently to
be
able to state categorically that there is no physical pain involved
before a
coma sets in.

I just don't believe the dummies coming out of the woodwork on this.
Why in the world do you think your medicine dosage of warfarin has any
connection at all with the dosage that kills rodents in the most
horrendous manner imaginable?
You alone have taken village idiots to
new heights of ignorance! sheesh......

Repeating nonsense ad inf does not convert it into a truth.
I have provided you with the evidence that I experience no physical pain
when I had taken enough Warfarin to take me to the verge of a coma. Had I
had any more, the most likely outcome would have been that I would have
become comatose quite soon, and would have died of brain haemorrage quite
soon after that. At what time would I have experienced this horrendously
painful death of which you keep talking?

Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills
rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable"

Franz

"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these
words:

(Always set mousetraps facing the wall too.)

Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one
hell
of a lot less damage than cats.

I've had a box of rare books trashed by the little *******s......

They spread crap everywhere and thereby, diseases.

You're still alive ...

Mary

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
et...


If
you
fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain?

Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to
death
from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used
very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to
kill
something.

Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that was
known.
It seems now that there IS pain involved.

From personal experience, no there is *no* physical pain involved, as I
have
now stated at least three times.

But you haven't consumed enough to kill you ...

I had reached the verge of a coma without feeling any physical pain. Had I
actually become comatose, I would no longer have been able to feel any
further pain. {:-((

[snip]

Franz

"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:37:15 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote
in
message
.. .


Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The
victims
just
get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma.

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the
passage
of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to
allow
nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and
the
animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no
pain
involved.

How do you know?

because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent.

The village idiot mentality is astounding!

That sounds like the voice of experience.

Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill.
If
you
fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain?

Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to
death
from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used
very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to
kill
something.

Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that waas
known.
It seems now that there IS pain involved.

Precisely.

Now who's the idiot?

The one who thinks there is no pain involved because grandad uses it
to ease a heart condition!

It does not "ease a heart condition" and I have not ever heard it being
used
for that. *I*, not my granddad, have been using warfarin daily for more
than a dozen years. *I* did once, by mistake, overuse it suffiently to
be
able to state categorically that there is no physical pain involved
before a
coma sets in.

I just don't believe the dummies coming out of the woodwork on this.
Why in the world do you think your medicine dosage of warfarin has any
connection at all with the dosage that kills rodents in the most
horrendous manner imaginable?
You alone have taken village idiots to
new heights of ignorance! sheesh......

Repeating nonsense ad inf does not convert it into a truth.
I have provided you with the evidence that I experience no physical pain
when I had taken enough Warfarin to take me to the verge of a coma. Had I
had any more, the most likely outcome would have been that I would have
become comatose quite soon, and would have died of brain haemorrage quite
soon after that. At what time would I have experienced this horrendously
painful death of which you keep talking?

Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills
rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable"

Franz

"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these
words:

(Always set mousetraps facing the wall too.)

Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one
hell
of a lot less damage than cats.

I've had a box of rare books trashed by the little *******s......

They spread crap everywhere and thereby, diseases.

You're still alive ...

Mary

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow
nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain
involved.

How do you know?

Plenty of people have died, or been poisoned as a result of ingesting
Warfarin, and they have been able to describe the effects.

Good Heavens!

Voices from the dead!

Mary

Indeed, it is used in medicine in small doses to thin the blood in
certain conditions. My mother took it after having a stroke.

You don't say.

Mary

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/