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Old 22-02-2004, 03:04 PM
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Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one

hell
of a lot less damage than cats.


Quite.

Mary

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Old 22-02-2004, 03:11 PM
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"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in

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Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims

just
get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma.

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow

nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain

involved.

How do you know?


because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent.


The village idiot mentality is astounding!


That sounds like the voice of experience.

Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you
fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain?

Mary




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Old 22-02-2004, 03:11 PM
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:45:54 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one

hell
of a lot less damage than cats.


Quite.


It depends on how many mice do you intend to feed.
If the females reproduce every six weeks you could be feeding
thousands within a few years.
The mice that got into our house caused quite a lot of damage.
The cats sorted then out eventually.
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Old 22-02-2004, 03:16 PM
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
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"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in

message
.. .


Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims

just
get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma.

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow

nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain

involved.

How do you know?

because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent.


The village idiot mentality is astounding!


That sounds like the voice of experience.

Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you
fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain?


http://www.mycustompak.com/healthNot...g/Warfarin.htm
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Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad
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Old 22-02-2004, 03:16 PM
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one

hell
of a lot less damage than cats.


Quite.

Mary

Franz






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Old 22-02-2004, 03:21 PM
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"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in

message
.. .


Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims

just
get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma.

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow

nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain

involved.

How do you know?


because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent.


The village idiot mentality is astounding!


That sounds like the voice of experience.

Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you
fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain?

Mary




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Old 22-02-2004, 03:22 PM
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:45:54 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one

hell
of a lot less damage than cats.


Quite.


It depends on how many mice do you intend to feed.
If the females reproduce every six weeks you could be feeding
thousands within a few years.
The mice that got into our house caused quite a lot of damage.
The cats sorted then out eventually.
--

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Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad
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Old 22-02-2004, 03:27 PM
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in

message
.. .


Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims

just
get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma.

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow

nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain

involved.

How do you know?

because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent.


The village idiot mentality is astounding!


That sounds like the voice of experience.

Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you
fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain?


http://www.mycustompak.com/healthNot...g/Warfarin.htm
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad
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Old 22-02-2004, 03:38 PM
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:40:49 +0100, martin wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:32:53 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message
.. .


Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just
get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma.

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved.

How do you know?

because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent.


The village idiot mentality is astounding!


eh?


See what I mean!
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Old 22-02-2004, 03:43 PM
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in

message
.. .


Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims

just
get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma.

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow

nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain

involved.

How do you know?

because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent.


The village idiot mentality is astounding!


That sounds like the voice of experience.

Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you
fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain?


No mention of pain in ...
http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic872.htm

Mortality/Morbidity: Bleeding is the primary adverse effect of
coumadin and superwarfarin toxicity and is related to the intensity of
anticoagulation, length of therapy, the patient's underlying clinical
state, and use of other drugs that may affect hemostasis or interfere
with warfarin metabolism. Fatal or nonfatal hemorrhage may occur from
any tissue or organ.

* Bleeding complications may be minor, including mucous membranes,
subconjunctival hemorrhage, hematuria, epistaxis, and ecchymoses.

* Bleeding complications can be major, including GI tract,
intracranial bleeding, and retroperitoneal bleeding. Massive
hemorrhage usually involves the GI tract but may involve the spinal
cord or cerebral, pericardial, pulmonary, adrenal, or hepatic sites.
Although rare, massive intraocular hemorrhage has been reported in
patients with preexisting disciform macular degeneration.

* Hypercoagulable presentations are theoretically possible.

Race: Racial predilection does not appear to exist for this type of
toxicity.

Sex: No significant difference between sexes is apparent for this
toxicity.

Age: Warfarin exposures, acute and chronic, are more common in adults
than in children. Single exposures to superwarfarins are more common
in children than in adults and generally are accidental ingestions.
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Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad


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Old 22-02-2004, 03:43 PM
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:40:49 +0100, martin wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:32:53 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message
.. .


Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just
get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma.

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved.

How do you know?

because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent.


The village idiot mentality is astounding!


eh?


See what I mean!
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Old 22-02-2004, 03:48 PM
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in

message
.. .


Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims

just
get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma.

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow

nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain

involved.

How do you know?

because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent.


The village idiot mentality is astounding!


That sounds like the voice of experience.

Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you
fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain?


No mention of pain in ...
http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic872.htm

Mortality/Morbidity: Bleeding is the primary adverse effect of
coumadin and superwarfarin toxicity and is related to the intensity of
anticoagulation, length of therapy, the patient's underlying clinical
state, and use of other drugs that may affect hemostasis or interfere
with warfarin metabolism. Fatal or nonfatal hemorrhage may occur from
any tissue or organ.

* Bleeding complications may be minor, including mucous membranes,
subconjunctival hemorrhage, hematuria, epistaxis, and ecchymoses.

* Bleeding complications can be major, including GI tract,
intracranial bleeding, and retroperitoneal bleeding. Massive
hemorrhage usually involves the GI tract but may involve the spinal
cord or cerebral, pericardial, pulmonary, adrenal, or hepatic sites.
Although rare, massive intraocular hemorrhage has been reported in
patients with preexisting disciform macular degeneration.

* Hypercoagulable presentations are theoretically possible.

Race: Racial predilection does not appear to exist for this type of
toxicity.

Sex: No significant difference between sexes is apparent for this
toxicity.

Age: Warfarin exposures, acute and chronic, are more common in adults
than in children. Single exposures to superwarfarins are more common
in children than in adults and generally are accidental ingestions.
--

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Old 22-02-2004, 03:52 PM
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in

message
.. .


Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims

just
get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma.

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow

nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain

involved.

How do you know?

because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent.


The village idiot mentality is astounding!


That sounds like the voice of experience.

Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you
fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain?


Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death
from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used
very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill
something.


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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:10:42 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:40:49 +0100, martin wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:32:53 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message
. ..


Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just
get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma.

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved.

How do you know?

because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent.

The village idiot mentality is astounding!


eh?


See what I mean!


That you are a village idiot? Perhaps.
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Old 22-02-2004, 04:22 PM
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:12:58 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jack Hammer" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in

message
.. .


Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims

just
get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma.

The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of
food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow

nutrients
to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal
loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain

involved.

How do you know?

because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent.

The village idiot mentality is astounding!


That sounds like the voice of experience.

Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you
fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain?


Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death
from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used
very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill
something.


Do a google search and find a site that gives pain as a symptom of
warfarin poisoning. I did before I posted my first reply.
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