"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:09:02 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
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I wonder if the OP's trees were deliberately budded or (unlikely?)
grafted
high up specifically to make specimen standards.

Hi. I was the OP. I do not think they were grafted anymore because
there is not a bulge like there is on say, an apple tree, which
grafted. Forgive my ignorance, I'm new to this, what is budding?

Prune the stock (The plant whose roots you want to utilise) right off.
Usually 1" or so above the ground in the case of a rose, and about 6" in
the
case of a citrus plant. Slice off a few healthy growing buds

Growth buds, not growing buds, idiot.

from the
desired plant, including a heel. Make "T" incisions in the bark of the
stock, gently peel back the bark and insert the bud. Repeat for as many
buds as you want to put in, and bandage the wound with raffia or
suchlike.
Make sure there are no growth buds of the stock left below the point at
which the desired buds were inserted.

In the case of roses, I have never discovered any horticultural reason for
budding, except that it means that on a commercial scale, you can produce
a
large number off budded plants from one mother plant. I have always had
reasonable success in propagating my roses from cuttings. This might mean
a
longer waiting time for first flowering, but it has the advantage that the
plants are on their own roots and there is no bother with unwanted growth
from below a bud or graft.

Franz

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:09:02 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:

I wonder if the OP's trees were deliberately budded or (unlikely?)
grafted
high up specifically to make specimen standards.

Hi. I was the OP. I do not think they were grafted anymore because
there is not a bulge like there is on say, an apple tree, which
grafted. Forgive my ignorance, I'm new to this, what is budding?

Prune the stock (The plant whose roots you want to utilise) right off.
Usually 1" or so above the ground in the case of a rose, and about 6" in
the
case of a citrus plant. Slice off a few healthy growing buds

Growth buds, not growing buds, idiot.

from the
desired plant, including a heel. Make "T" incisions in the bark of the
stock, gently peel back the bark and insert the bud. Repeat for as many
buds as you want to put in, and bandage the wound with raffia or
suchlike.
Make sure there are no growth buds of the stock left below the point at
which the desired buds were inserted.

In the case of roses, I have never discovered any horticultural reason for
budding, except that it means that on a commercial scale, you can produce
a
large number off budded plants from one mother plant. I have always had
reasonable success in propagating my roses from cuttings. This might mean
a
longer waiting time for first flowering, but it has the advantage that the
plants are on their own roots and there is no bother with unwanted growth
from below a bud or graft.

Franz

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:09:02 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:

I wonder if the OP's trees were deliberately budded or (unlikely?)
grafted
high up specifically to make specimen standards.

Hi. I was the OP. I do not think they were grafted anymore because
there is not a bulge like there is on say, an apple tree, which
grafted. Forgive my ignorance, I'm new to this, what is budding?

Prune the stock (The plant whose roots you want to utilise) right off.
Usually 1" or so above the ground in the case of a rose, and about 6" in
the
case of a citrus plant. Slice off a few healthy growing buds

Growth buds, not growing buds, idiot.

from the
desired plant, including a heel. Make "T" incisions in the bark of the
stock, gently peel back the bark and insert the bud. Repeat for as many
buds as you want to put in, and bandage the wound with raffia or
suchlike.
Make sure there are no growth buds of the stock left below the point at
which the desired buds were inserted.

In the case of roses, I have never discovered any horticultural reason for
budding, except that it means that on a commercial scale, you can produce
a
large number off budded plants from one mother plant. I have always had
reasonable success in propagating my roses from cuttings. This might mean
a
longer waiting time for first flowering, but it has the advantage that the
plants are on their own roots and there is no bother with unwanted growth
from below a bud or graft.

Franz

"David W.E. Roberts" wrote in message
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I wimped out and potted it into a smallish pot - when the roots fill the
pot
(if ever) I will pot it on.
Probably best in the short term as I nearly ruptured myself bringing in
the
Olive tree which I have just potted up in a large pot.

snip

I thought the poor little thing was sulking - it is inly a twig, really, but
with about three huge leaves.
It does make me wonder if it is just a cutting from a branch of a mature
tree.
The leaves are pretty big compared to the rest of the plant, and are all
connected directly to the main stem, not on side branches.

It suddenly burst into life about a week ago and is growing loads of thin
shoots at a remarkable rate from the axils of the leaves and from the scars
on the stem where leaves/side shoots have presumably been removed.

I presume I should rub out the lower ones if I want it to look like a tree
not a bush.

It does look very like a cutting, which suggests that there hasn't been
grafting - I don't think (but can't be sure) that the big leafed bit is
grafted onto the base.

I may post a picture for a second opinion if I get the time.

Still, it is growing.

Probably to small for lemons this year though :-)

Cheers
Dave R

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"David W.E. Roberts" wrote in message
...
I wimped out and potted it into a smallish pot - when the roots fill the
pot
(if ever) I will pot it on.
Probably best in the short term as I nearly ruptured myself bringing in
the
Olive tree which I have just potted up in a large pot.

snip

I thought the poor little thing was sulking - it is inly a twig, really, but
with about three huge leaves.
It does make me wonder if it is just a cutting from a branch of a mature
tree.
The leaves are pretty big compared to the rest of the plant, and are all
connected directly to the main stem, not on side branches.

It suddenly burst into life about a week ago and is growing loads of thin
shoots at a remarkable rate from the axils of the leaves and from the scars
on the stem where leaves/side shoots have presumably been removed.

I presume I should rub out the lower ones if I want it to look like a tree
not a bush.

It does look very like a cutting, which suggests that there hasn't been
grafting - I don't think (but can't be sure) that the big leafed bit is
grafted onto the base.

I may post a picture for a second opinion if I get the time.

Still, it is growing.

Probably to small for lemons this year though :-)

Cheers
Dave R

..

"David W.E. Roberts" wrote in message
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"David W.E. Roberts" wrote in message
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I wimped out and potted it into a smallish pot - when the roots fill the
pot
(if ever) I will pot it on.
snip
It suddenly burst into life about a week ago and is growing loads of thin
shoots at a remarkable rate from the axils of the leaves and from the
scars
on the stem where leaves/side shoots have presumably been removed.

I presume I should rub out the lower ones if I want it to look like a tree
not a bush.
snip
Just checked the packaging (which I kept for the interesting instructions).

This is from http://www.patioplant.nl and the pictures show:
it being potted up in a pot of around 10l,
a picture of a full sun and half sun/half shade,
watering can
secateurs crossed out (no pruning? why??)
Picture of a small tree with loads of lemons in a tub outside.
Patio Plant Fruit Citrus limon
Lemon symbols for months 9,10,11
Thermometer showing 0/+40C for months 1,2,3,4 and 11,12.

Fair enough.

Label from Range (the store where I bought it), says:
Patio Plant
Fruit Citrus Mix (say what?)
No direct sunlight (see comments about packaging pictures above)
Room temperature 15-24C (for a patio plant?)
Feed weekly
Water moderately

On balance I think I will believe the original packaging, not the stick on
label!

I presume the 'no direct sunlight' is for when indoors to avoid scorching
through glass, but I thought lemons loved direct sun? The waxy leaves don't
look particularly vulnerable.

Also, why no pruning?
I presume if I leave it 'as is' (although I have rubbed out the lowest shoot
which was more or less at soil level) then it will develop into a patio bush
instead of a tree.
Anyone think of another reason?

In general, impressed by the pictures on the box, but not by the label added
by the retailer.

If I could just get that gin&tonic plant to grow, I would be all set :-)

Cheers
Dave R

"David W.E. Roberts" wrote in message
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"David W.E. Roberts" wrote in message
...
I wimped out and potted it into a smallish pot - when the roots fill the
pot
(if ever) I will pot it on.
snip
It suddenly burst into life about a week ago and is growing loads of thin
shoots at a remarkable rate from the axils of the leaves and from the
scars
on the stem where leaves/side shoots have presumably been removed.

I presume I should rub out the lower ones if I want it to look like a tree
not a bush.
snip
Just checked the packaging (which I kept for the interesting instructions).

This is from http://www.patioplant.nl and the pictures show:
it being potted up in a pot of around 10l,
a picture of a full sun and half sun/half shade,
watering can
secateurs crossed out (no pruning? why??)
Picture of a small tree with loads of lemons in a tub outside.
Patio Plant Fruit Citrus limon
Lemon symbols for months 9,10,11
Thermometer showing 0/+40C for months 1,2,3,4 and 11,12.

Fair enough.

Label from Range (the store where I bought it), says:
Patio Plant
Fruit Citrus Mix (say what?)
No direct sunlight (see comments about packaging pictures above)
Room temperature 15-24C (for a patio plant?)
Feed weekly
Water moderately

On balance I think I will believe the original packaging, not the stick on
label!

I presume the 'no direct sunlight' is for when indoors to avoid scorching
through glass, but I thought lemons loved direct sun? The waxy leaves don't
look particularly vulnerable.

Also, why no pruning?
I presume if I leave it 'as is' (although I have rubbed out the lowest shoot
which was more or less at soil level) then it will develop into a patio bush
instead of a tree.
Anyone think of another reason?

In general, impressed by the pictures on the box, but not by the label added
by the retailer.

If I could just get that gin&tonic plant to grow, I would be all set :-)

Cheers
Dave R

The message
from "David W.E. Roberts" contains these words:

If I could just get that gin&tonic plant to grow, I would be all set :-)

I planted the pips of a lemon last spring and I have an array of ten or
so lemon trees now varying from about three inches high and with small
leaves, to two which are three feet high with leaves the size of goodly
rhododendrons. Some have no thorns, some have a few, and some have
wicked great long ones.

I'm told that if two separate trees grow from a single pip, one of them
will be genetically identical to the parent tree.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
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The message
from "David W.E. Roberts" contains these words:

If I could just get that gin&tonic plant to grow, I would be all set :-)

I planted the pips of a lemon last spring and I have an array of ten or
so lemon trees now varying from about three inches high and with small
leaves, to two which are three feet high with leaves the size of goodly
rhododendrons. Some have no thorns, some have a few, and some have
wicked great long ones.

I'm told that if two separate trees grow from a single pip, one of them
will be genetically identical to the parent tree.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/