http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3543295.stm

Beagle descent possibly too fast


A heat shield was designed to protect Beagle during descent
The Beagle 2 lander could have crashed into Mars because the
atmosphere on the planet was less dense than expected.
Mission scientists told a London meeting the probe may simply have
been going too fast for its parachute and airbags to bring about a soft
landing.

The Royal Society conference also heard photographic evidence had
found four bright spots, dubbed the "string of pearls", on the surface of
the planet.

Scientists are studying the images to see if they show the lander's
remains.

They want to know if the spots are the probe's airbags and chute or
are merely an artefact of the imaging process.

The Beagle team, led by Professor Colin Pillinger, told the society
the latter was probably the case.

Reduced density

Readings of the Martian atmosphere taken on the day Beagle 2 was due
to land were obtained by the Mars Express orbiter, using its Spicam
Ultraviolet and Infrared Atmospheric Spectrometer.

"The Spicam data shows that there was considerably reduced atmospheric
density at 30-40km above the surface," said Beagle 2 mission manager Dr Mark
Sims.

"We now need to find out where (on Mars) that measurement was taken.
If that was true of the Beagle 2 landing site we might have ended up with a
situation where we didn't turn the radar altimeter on."

This radar altimeter was supposed to prompt Beagle to deploy its
airbags once it reached 200m above the surface. But if Beagle was travelling
too fast, they might not have deployed.

The data shows that there was considerably reduced atmospheric
density at 30-40km above the surface

Dr Mark Sims, Beagle 2 mission manager
Without airbags to cushion the landing, Beagle 2 would simply have
crashed into the Martian dust.

However the Spicam data from Mars Express is contradicted by readings
from Nasa's Mars Odyssey spacecraft, which did not show greatly lowered
atmospheric density on Mars.

Dr Sims said that if Beagle's chute deployed properly it would have
been travelling towards the surface at 16m/s. A failure involving the
parachutes higher in the atmosphere might have meant Beagle approached Mars
at up to 6km/s.

Dr Sims said turbulence high in the atmosphere could also have caused
the craft problems as it approached the surface.

High velocity

Beagle 2 was targeted to land in a large lowland basin called Isidis
Planitia at 0254 GMT on 25 December.

It was designed to look for past or present life.

No signal has ever been detected from the craft to indicate it got
down safely, and all attempts to locate the probe with Mars obiters and
radio telescopes on Earth have failed.

The idea that Beagle may have had too high a velocity as it approached
the surface of Mars is not a huge surprise.

The US space agency also reported a less dense atmosphere than
expected on the entry of its first rover, Spirit.

This was explained by the dust storm activity on the planet at the
time which acted to warm the atmosphere.

The Nasa vehicle managed to get down safely thanks to its chute,
retro-rockets and robust airbag system.

Even so, the entry parameters for the second rover, Opportunity, were
changed as a result. This was deemed particularly important because
Opportunity was aimed at a higher altitude target.

The meeting was also told that an unidentified object could be seen in
the image taken immediately after Beagle was ejected from its mothership,
Mars Express, five days prior to the landing attempt.

Scientists said this needed further investigation.




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Andy Hunt wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3543295.stm

Beagle descent possibly too fast

In my experience, you should really keep all dogs out of your garden -
especially if they're prone to running about too fast.

Beagles do like to dig, so there's always the chance you'll go out in the
morning to find a large crater-like hole in your lawn...

Martin


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Andy Hunt wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3543295.stm

Beagle descent possibly too fast

In my experience, you should really keep all dogs out of your garden -
especially if they're prone to running about too fast.

Beagles do like to dig, so there's always the chance you'll go out in the
morning to find a large crater-like hole in your lawn...

Martin


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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:11:35 -0000, "Martin"
wrote:

Andy Hunt wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3543295.stm

Beagle descent possibly too fast

In my experience, you should really keep all dogs out of your garden -
especially if they're prone to running about too fast.

Beagles do like to dig, so there's always the chance you'll go out in the
morning to find a large crater-like hole in your lawn...

and Worzel Gummidge guarding it?
--

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Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:11:35 -0000, "Martin"
wrote:

Andy Hunt wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3543295.stm

Beagle descent possibly too fast

In my experience, you should really keep all dogs out of your garden -
especially if they're prone to running about too fast.

Beagles do like to dig, so there's always the chance you'll go out in the
morning to find a large crater-like hole in your lawn...

and Worzel Gummidge guarding it?
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

"Andy Hunt" wrote in message
news:Fe43c.2391$m56.284@newsfe1-win...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3543295.stm


Why are there four attachments to your post? What do they contain? Do you
really think I am going to open them? Why don't you post them to a *.bin
newsgroup and draw our attention to them?

Franz

Why are there four attachments to your post? What do they contain? Do you
really think I am going to open them? Why don't you post them to a *.bin
newsgroup and draw our attention to them?

Apologies . . . they are just pictures from the BBC page.

I won't post anything quite so OT again . . . it was a silly idea. I suppose
I was just trying to compete with some of the wackier posts in the
irrelevance stakes (and it was an interesting article!)

Slapped wrists . . . shan't do it again.

Andrew

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:51:16 -0000, "Andy Hunt"
wrote:




Why are there four attachments to your post? What do they contain? Do you
really think I am going to open them? Why don't you post them to a *.bin
newsgroup and draw our attention to them?

Apologies . . . they are just pictures from the BBC page.

I won't post anything quite so OT again . . . it was a silly idea. I suppose
I was just trying to compete with some of the wackier posts in the
irrelevance stakes (and it was an interesting article!)

Slapped wrists . . . shan't do it again.

Attachments are removed from non binary groups by good ISPs
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Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

"Andy Hunt" wrote in message
news:Sxg3c.2540$m56.534@newsfe1-win...



Why are there four attachments to your post? What do they contain? Do
you
really think I am going to open them? Why don't you post them to a
*.bin
newsgroup and draw our attention to them?

Apologies . . . they are just pictures from the BBC page.

I won't post anything quite so OT again . . . it was a silly idea. I
suppose
I was just trying to compete with some of the wackier posts in the
irrelevance stakes (and it was an interesting article!)

Slapped wrists . . . shan't do it again.

Andy, it is not the fact that they are OT which is the sin. This is
supposed to be a text-only newsgroup, and most servers simply snip the
attachments anyway, so you would have missed out 95% of the readership.

Franz

"Andy Hunt" wrote in message
news:Sxg3c.2540$m56.534@newsfe1-win...



Why are there four attachments to your post? What do they contain? Do
you
really think I am going to open them? Why don't you post them to a
*.bin
newsgroup and draw our attention to them?

Apologies . . . they are just pictures from the BBC page.

I won't post anything quite so OT again . . . it was a silly idea. I
suppose
I was just trying to compete with some of the wackier posts in the
irrelevance stakes (and it was an interesting article!)

Slapped wrists . . . shan't do it again.

Andy, it is not the fact that they are OT which is the sin. This is
supposed to be a text-only newsgroup, and most servers simply snip the
attachments anyway, so you would have missed out 95% of the readership.

Franz

"Andy Hunt" wrote in message
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Why are there four attachments to your post? What do they contain? Do
you
really think I am going to open them? Why don't you post them to a
*.bin
newsgroup and draw our attention to them?

Apologies . . . they are just pictures from the BBC page.

I won't post anything quite so OT again . . . it was a silly idea. I
suppose
I was just trying to compete with some of the wackier posts in the
irrelevance stakes (and it was an interesting article!)

Slapped wrists . . . shan't do it again.

Andy, it is not the fact that they are OT which is the sin. This is
supposed to be a text-only newsgroup, and most servers simply snip the
attachments anyway, so you would have missed out 95% of the readership.

Franz

Apologies . . . they are just pictures from the BBC page.

I won't post anything quite so OT again . . . it was a silly idea. I
suppose
I was just trying to compete with some of the wackier posts in the
irrelevance stakes (and it was an interesting article!)

Slapped wrists . . . shan't do it again.

Andy, it is not the fact that they are OT which is the sin. This is
supposed to be a text-only newsgroup, and most servers simply snip the
attachments anyway, so you would have missed out 95% of the readership.

I live and learn! I must admit, I was expecting the server to remove the
pictures. Other NG's I'm on automatically convert HTML posts to pure text,
and I thought that this one would do the same. The pictures weren't
essential to the post, and I expected them to disappear before the post
appeared on here. I was quite surprised to see them there! Another NG I'm on
started allowing attachments for a while inexplicably, and then stopped
allowing them again, so maybe it's some sort of temporary error.

But the post WAS a bit silly, and did deserve a slap on the wrist! :-) Pure
gardening from now on!!!!!

Andy

Apologies . . . they are just pictures from the BBC page.

I won't post anything quite so OT again . . . it was a silly idea. I
suppose
I was just trying to compete with some of the wackier posts in the
irrelevance stakes (and it was an interesting article!)

Slapped wrists . . . shan't do it again.

Andy, it is not the fact that they are OT which is the sin. This is
supposed to be a text-only newsgroup, and most servers simply snip the
attachments anyway, so you would have missed out 95% of the readership.

I live and learn! I must admit, I was expecting the server to remove the
pictures. Other NG's I'm on automatically convert HTML posts to pure text,
and I thought that this one would do the same. The pictures weren't
essential to the post, and I expected them to disappear before the post
appeared on here. I was quite surprised to see them there! Another NG I'm on
started allowing attachments for a while inexplicably, and then stopped
allowing them again, so maybe it's some sort of temporary error.

But the post WAS a bit silly, and did deserve a slap on the wrist! :-) Pure
gardening from now on!!!!!

Andy

Apologies . . . they are just pictures from the BBC page.

I won't post anything quite so OT again . . . it was a silly idea. I
suppose
I was just trying to compete with some of the wackier posts in the
irrelevance stakes (and it was an interesting article!)

Slapped wrists . . . shan't do it again.

Andy, it is not the fact that they are OT which is the sin. This is
supposed to be a text-only newsgroup, and most servers simply snip the
attachments anyway, so you would have missed out 95% of the readership.

I live and learn! I must admit, I was expecting the server to remove the
pictures. Other NG's I'm on automatically convert HTML posts to pure text,
and I thought that this one would do the same. The pictures weren't
essential to the post, and I expected them to disappear before the post
appeared on here. I was quite surprised to see them there! Another NG I'm on
started allowing attachments for a while inexplicably, and then stopped
allowing them again, so maybe it's some sort of temporary error.

But the post WAS a bit silly, and did deserve a slap on the wrist! :-) Pure
gardening from now on!!!!!

Andy

"Andy Hunt" wrote in message
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Apologies . . . they are just pictures from the BBC page.

I won't post anything quite so OT again . . . it was a silly idea. I
suppose
I was just trying to compete with some of the wackier posts in the
irrelevance stakes (and it was an interesting article!)

Slapped wrists . . . shan't do it again.

Andy, it is not the fact that they are OT which is the sin. This is
supposed to be a text-only newsgroup, and most servers simply snip the
attachments anyway, so you would have missed out 95% of the readership.

I live and learn! I must admit, I was expecting the server to remove the
pictures. Other NG's I'm on automatically convert HTML posts to pure text,
and I thought that this one would do the same. The pictures weren't
essential to the post, and I expected them to disappear before the post
appeared on here. I was quite surprised to see them there! Another NG I'm
on
started allowing attachments for a while inexplicably, and then stopped
allowing them again, so maybe it's some sort of temporary error.

But the post WAS a bit silly, and did deserve a slap on the wrist! :-)
Pure
gardening from now on!!!!!

Fine, as long as you leaven your gardening contributions with a little
silliness now and again

Franz