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Best position for a vegetable patch
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From: "Martin Sykes" Date: 17/03/2004 19:17 GMT Standard Time Message-id: "Kay Easton" wrote in message ... Eh? So why in summer is sunset later in scotland compared to SW? My 'guess' (and I may be completely wrong here) is that if you look at a map, Scotland is further west than most of England but we are in the same time zone. The further west you are, the later the sun will set so I'd expect that if you look at the figures closely, the sunset time in Scotland say for Glasgow, would be similar to that for Cornwall and both would be much later than sunset in Kent. It's the axial tilt of the earth. In summer, the farther north you go the longer the day is. If you reach the artic circle then it's light until winter. By the same standard in winter the farther north you go, the shorter the day length, one of the reasons for putting the clocks back in autumn is that if you didn't then some parts of the uk would see dawn until after 10am. -- Rhiannon http://www.livejournal.com/users/rhiannon_s/ "The trick is to commit crimes so confusing that police feel too stupid to even write a crime report about them." Aubrey on remaining at liberty www.somethingpositive.net |
Best position for a vegetable patch
Subject: Best position for a vegetable patch
From: "Martin Sykes" Date: 17/03/2004 19:17 GMT Standard Time Message-id: "Kay Easton" wrote in message ... Eh? So why in summer is sunset later in scotland compared to SW? My 'guess' (and I may be completely wrong here) is that if you look at a map, Scotland is further west than most of England but we are in the same time zone. The further west you are, the later the sun will set so I'd expect that if you look at the figures closely, the sunset time in Scotland say for Glasgow, would be similar to that for Cornwall and both would be much later than sunset in Kent. It's the axial tilt of the earth. In summer, the farther north you go the longer the day is. If you reach the artic circle then it's light until winter. By the same standard in winter the farther north you go, the shorter the day length, one of the reasons for putting the clocks back in autumn is that if you didn't then some parts of the uk would see dawn until after 10am. -- Rhiannon http://www.livejournal.com/users/rhiannon_s/ "The trick is to commit crimes so confusing that police feel too stupid to even write a crime report about them." Aubrey on remaining at liberty www.somethingpositive.net |
Best position for a vegetable patch
"Martin Sykes" wrote in message
... "Kay Easton" wrote in message ... Eh? So why in summer is sunset later in scotland compared to SW? My 'guess' (and I may be completely wrong here) is that if you look at a map, Scotland is further west than most of England but we are in the same time zone. The further west you are, the later the sun will set so I'd expect that if you look at the figures closely, the sunset time in Scotland say for Glasgow, would be similar to that for Cornwall and both would be much later than sunset in Kent. -- Martin & Anna Sykes ( Remove x's when replying ) http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~sykesm This site sort of confirms what i thought: http://www.worldtime.com On the following page it gives sunset and sunrise times for various cities. Edinburgh, Liverpool and Cardiff have about the same sunset. Coventry and Newcastle have the same slightly earlier sunset and they're all later than London. So, it's the east-west that affects the sunset time, and its the north-south that affects how strong the sunlight is. http://www.worldtime.com/cgi-bin/wt....2000#count ry -- Martin & Anna Sykes ( Remove x's when replying ) http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~sykesm |
Best position for a vegetable patch
"Martin Sykes" wrote in message
... "Kay Easton" wrote in message ... Eh? So why in summer is sunset later in scotland compared to SW? My 'guess' (and I may be completely wrong here) is that if you look at a map, Scotland is further west than most of England but we are in the same time zone. The further west you are, the later the sun will set so I'd expect that if you look at the figures closely, the sunset time in Scotland say for Glasgow, would be similar to that for Cornwall and both would be much later than sunset in Kent. -- Martin & Anna Sykes ( Remove x's when replying ) http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~sykesm This site sort of confirms what i thought: http://www.worldtime.com On the following page it gives sunset and sunrise times for various cities. Edinburgh, Liverpool and Cardiff have about the same sunset. Coventry and Newcastle have the same slightly earlier sunset and they're all later than London. So, it's the east-west that affects the sunset time, and its the north-south that affects how strong the sunlight is. http://www.worldtime.com/cgi-bin/wt....2000#count ry -- Martin & Anna Sykes ( Remove x's when replying ) http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~sykesm |
Best position for a vegetable patch
Subject: Best position for a vegetable patch
From: "Martin Sykes" Date: 17/03/2004 19:28 GMT Standard Time Message-id: This site sort of confirms what i thought: http://www.worldtime.com On the following page it gives sunset and sunrise times for various cities. Edinburgh, Liverpool and Cardiff have about the same sunset. Coventry and Newcastle have the same slightly earlier sunset and they're all later than London. So, it's the east-west that affects the sunset time, and its the north-south that affects how strong the sunlight is. http://www.worldtime.com/cgi-bin/wt....0795&diameter= 2000#country With all due respect, Latitude does play a part in day length. I refer to these websites http://www.synapses.co.uk/astro/planetil.html http://www.qpais.co.uk/modb-iec/dayleng.htm http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weathe...9/al99bjun.htm -- Rhiannon http://www.livejournal.com/users/rhiannon_s/ "The trick is to commit crimes so confusing that police feel too stupid to even write a crime report about them." Aubrey on remaining at liberty www.somethingpositive.net |
Best position for a vegetable patch
Subject: Best position for a vegetable patch
From: "Martin Sykes" Date: 17/03/2004 19:28 GMT Standard Time Message-id: This site sort of confirms what i thought: http://www.worldtime.com On the following page it gives sunset and sunrise times for various cities. Edinburgh, Liverpool and Cardiff have about the same sunset. Coventry and Newcastle have the same slightly earlier sunset and they're all later than London. So, it's the east-west that affects the sunset time, and its the north-south that affects how strong the sunlight is. http://www.worldtime.com/cgi-bin/wt....0795&diameter= 2000#country With all due respect, Latitude does play a part in day length. I refer to these websites http://www.synapses.co.uk/astro/planetil.html http://www.qpais.co.uk/modb-iec/dayleng.htm http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weathe...9/al99bjun.htm -- Rhiannon http://www.livejournal.com/users/rhiannon_s/ "The trick is to commit crimes so confusing that police feel too stupid to even write a crime report about them." Aubrey on remaining at liberty www.somethingpositive.net |
Best position for a vegetable patch
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from Frogleg contains these words: On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:28:02 GMT, Janet Baraclough.. wrote: The message from Frogleg contains these words: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:33:42 +0100, "Jo Hall" wrote: As I mentioned in my reply to Jon, the nice south facing part of our garden is very open to the wind. I am not really sure what damages plants mo lack of sun or lots of wind! Definitely lack of sun. Nearly all veg and herbs require "full sun" which means at least 6 hrs/day of direct sunlight. LOL. Have you visited the northern half of the UK, Frogleg? :-) No. Just London. However, because it's darker there in winter, there'll be *more* sun in summer, no? No :-) If only! I do stand by my advice -- the more sun, the better. Depends what you're growing and at what latitude. Jo is in France; further south and warmer than the UK with less cloud cover, more sun, and more intense light. In some circumstances, afternoon shade and wind shelter could be preferable. Hot afternoon sun and wind together is fine for herbs, maquis and coastal plants with narrow/ hard/ silvery leaves etc but can be a deadly combination for plants with large soft green leaves like tomatoes, lettuce, beans or potatoes. Janet |
Best position for a vegetable patch
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from Frogleg contains these words: On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:28:02 GMT, Janet Baraclough.. wrote: The message from Frogleg contains these words: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:33:42 +0100, "Jo Hall" wrote: As I mentioned in my reply to Jon, the nice south facing part of our garden is very open to the wind. I am not really sure what damages plants mo lack of sun or lots of wind! Definitely lack of sun. Nearly all veg and herbs require "full sun" which means at least 6 hrs/day of direct sunlight. LOL. Have you visited the northern half of the UK, Frogleg? :-) No. Just London. However, because it's darker there in winter, there'll be *more* sun in summer, no? No :-) If only! I do stand by my advice -- the more sun, the better. Depends what you're growing and at what latitude. Jo is in France; further south and warmer than the UK with less cloud cover, more sun, and more intense light. In some circumstances, afternoon shade and wind shelter could be preferable. Hot afternoon sun and wind together is fine for herbs, maquis and coastal plants with narrow/ hard/ silvery leaves etc but can be a deadly combination for plants with large soft green leaves like tomatoes, lettuce, beans or potatoes. Janet |
Best position for a vegetable patch
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:08:26 GMT, Janet Baraclough..
wrote: from Frogleg contains these words: On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:28:02 GMT, Janet Baraclough.. wrote: LOL. Have you visited the northern half of the UK, Frogleg? :-) No. Just London. However, because it's darker there in winter, there'll be *more* sun in summer, no? No :-) If only! I do stand by my advice -- the more sun, the better. Depends what you're growing and at what latitude. Jo is in France; further south and warmer than the UK with less cloud cover, more sun, and more intense light. In some circumstances, afternoon shade and wind shelter could be preferable. Hot afternoon sun and wind together is fine for herbs, maquis and coastal plants with narrow/ hard/ silvery leaves etc but can be a deadly combination for plants with large soft green leaves like tomatoes, lettuce, beans or potatoes. I'm going to have to draw some diagrams for myself. :-) I know that the further north you (in the northern hemisphere), the longer the summer day is. It may be true that the sunlight is less intense, however. They certainly grow veg, incl. tomatoes in Fairbanks, which is approx. 65N. As to a combination of wind and sun, I have no personal experience with a perpetually windy spot. The only places I know of where too much sun is a hazard is in the desert SW of the US, and usually that's a drought problem more than a sun one. It's plenty sunny here in Virginia (and hot in summer, 'though frigid at the moment), and sometimes early tomatoes and peppers (the fruit) suffer from 'sun scald' before the foliage is mature, but I've never seen any damage to leaves. Wind, however, is light and occasional. Except during storms when the corn (maize) blows down. :-) |
Best position for a vegetable patch
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:08:26 GMT, Janet Baraclough..
wrote: from Frogleg contains these words: On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:28:02 GMT, Janet Baraclough.. wrote: LOL. Have you visited the northern half of the UK, Frogleg? :-) No. Just London. However, because it's darker there in winter, there'll be *more* sun in summer, no? No :-) If only! I do stand by my advice -- the more sun, the better. Depends what you're growing and at what latitude. Jo is in France; further south and warmer than the UK with less cloud cover, more sun, and more intense light. In some circumstances, afternoon shade and wind shelter could be preferable. Hot afternoon sun and wind together is fine for herbs, maquis and coastal plants with narrow/ hard/ silvery leaves etc but can be a deadly combination for plants with large soft green leaves like tomatoes, lettuce, beans or potatoes. I'm going to have to draw some diagrams for myself. :-) I know that the further north you (in the northern hemisphere), the longer the summer day is. It may be true that the sunlight is less intense, however. They certainly grow veg, incl. tomatoes in Fairbanks, which is approx. 65N. As to a combination of wind and sun, I have no personal experience with a perpetually windy spot. The only places I know of where too much sun is a hazard is in the desert SW of the US, and usually that's a drought problem more than a sun one. It's plenty sunny here in Virginia (and hot in summer, 'though frigid at the moment), and sometimes early tomatoes and peppers (the fruit) suffer from 'sun scald' before the foliage is mature, but I've never seen any damage to leaves. Wind, however, is light and occasional. Except during storms when the corn (maize) blows down. :-) |
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from "Martin Sykes" contains these words: "Kay Easton" wrote in message ... Eh? So why in summer is sunset later in scotland compared to SW? My 'guess' (and I may be completely wrong here) is that if you look at a map, Scotland is further west than most of England but we are in the same time zone. The further west you are, the later the sun will set so I'd expect that if you look at the figures closely, the sunset time in Scotland say for Glasgow, would be similar to that for Cornwall and both would be much later than sunset in Kent. You are completely wrong :-) The far north of Scandinavia is called land of the midnight sun..the nights hardly get dark at all. In midsummer, Scotland also gets very short hours of darkness; much shorter than Cornwall. In midwinter Scandinavian people get very little daylight and Scotland is pretty dim too..a bare 7 hours. Much darker than Cornwall. Janet (Scotland) |
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from "Martin Sykes" contains these words: "Kay Easton" wrote in message ... Eh? So why in summer is sunset later in scotland compared to SW? My 'guess' (and I may be completely wrong here) is that if you look at a map, Scotland is further west than most of England but we are in the same time zone. The further west you are, the later the sun will set so I'd expect that if you look at the figures closely, the sunset time in Scotland say for Glasgow, would be similar to that for Cornwall and both would be much later than sunset in Kent. You are completely wrong :-) The far north of Scandinavia is called land of the midnight sun..the nights hardly get dark at all. In midsummer, Scotland also gets very short hours of darkness; much shorter than Cornwall. In midwinter Scandinavian people get very little daylight and Scotland is pretty dim too..a bare 7 hours. Much darker than Cornwall. Janet (Scotland) |
Best position for a vegetable patch
In article , Martin Sykes
writes "Kay Easton" wrote in message ... Eh? So why in summer is sunset later in scotland compared to SW? My 'guess' (and I may be completely wrong here) is that if you look at a map, Scotland is further west than most of England but we are in the same time zone. That's why I specified the SW! The further west you are, the later the sun will set so I'd expect that if you look at the figures closely, the sunset time in Scotland say for Glasgow, would be similar to that for Cornwall and both would be much later than sunset in Kent. No - Glasgow (or Edinburgh) is later than Cornwall, and in summer they have longer days than the S of England. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Best position for a vegetable patch
In article , Martin Sykes
writes "Kay Easton" wrote in message ... Eh? So why in summer is sunset later in scotland compared to SW? My 'guess' (and I may be completely wrong here) is that if you look at a map, Scotland is further west than most of England but we are in the same time zone. That's why I specified the SW! The further west you are, the later the sun will set so I'd expect that if you look at the figures closely, the sunset time in Scotland say for Glasgow, would be similar to that for Cornwall and both would be much later than sunset in Kent. No - Glasgow (or Edinburgh) is later than Cornwall, and in summer they have longer days than the S of England. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Best position for a vegetable patch
In article , Martin Sykes
writes This site sort of confirms what i thought: http://www.worldtime.com On the following page it gives sunset and sunrise times for various cities. Edinburgh, Liverpool and Cardiff have about the same sunset. Coventry and Newcastle have the same slightly earlier sunset and they're all later than London. So, it's the east-west that affects the sunset time, and its the north-south that affects how strong the sunlight is. Around the equinox (as we are now), north and south have similar length days, but the latitude comes into play the further away we are from the equinox roughly 8 mins for every 1 degree of latitude. Think about it - at the equator, the day length in our midsummer is 12 hours; at the N pole the day length is 24 hours. So either there is a line somewhere, N of which the day is 24 hours and S of which, 12 hours; or the day gradually grown longer the further north you go. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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