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Eh? So why in summer is sunset later in scotland compared to SW?


My 'guess' (and I may be completely wrong here) is that if you look at a
map, Scotland is further west than most of England but we are in the same
time zone. The further west you are, the later the sun will set so I'd
expect that if you look at the figures closely, the sunset time in

Scotland
say for Glasgow, would be similar to that for Cornwall and both would be
much later than sunset in Kent.
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This site sort of confirms what i thought: http://www.worldtime.com

On the following page it gives sunset and sunrise times for various cities.
Edinburgh, Liverpool and Cardiff have about the same sunset. Coventry and
Newcastle have the same slightly earlier sunset and they're all later than
London. So, it's the east-west that affects the sunset time, and its the
north-south that affects how strong the sunlight is.

http://www.worldtime.com/cgi-bin/wt....2000#count ry

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"Martin Sykes" wrote in message
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Eh? So why in summer is sunset later in scotland compared to SW?


My 'guess' (and I may be completely wrong here) is that if you look at a
map, Scotland is further west than most of England but we are in the same
time zone. The further west you are, the later the sun will set so I'd
expect that if you look at the figures closely, the sunset time in

Scotland
say for Glasgow, would be similar to that for Cornwall and both would be
much later than sunset in Kent.
--
Martin & Anna Sykes
( Remove x's when replying )
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~sykesm



This site sort of confirms what i thought: http://www.worldtime.com

On the following page it gives sunset and sunrise times for various cities.
Edinburgh, Liverpool and Cardiff have about the same sunset. Coventry and
Newcastle have the same slightly earlier sunset and they're all later than
London. So, it's the east-west that affects the sunset time, and its the
north-south that affects how strong the sunlight is.

http://www.worldtime.com/cgi-bin/wt....2000#count ry

--
Martin & Anna Sykes
( Remove x's when replying )
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~sykesm


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This site sort of confirms what i thought:
http://www.worldtime.com

On the following page it gives sunset and sunrise times for various cities.
Edinburgh, Liverpool and Cardiff have about the same sunset. Coventry and
Newcastle have the same slightly earlier sunset and they're all later than
London. So, it's the east-west that affects the sunset time, and its the
north-south that affects how strong the sunlight is.


http://www.worldtime.com/cgi-bin/wt....0795&diameter=

2000#country


With all due respect, Latitude does play a part in day length. I refer to these
websites
http://www.synapses.co.uk/astro/planetil.html

http://www.qpais.co.uk/modb-iec/dayleng.htm

http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weathe...9/al99bjun.htm
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From: "Martin Sykes"
Date: 17/03/2004 19:28 GMT Standard Time
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This site sort of confirms what i thought:
http://www.worldtime.com

On the following page it gives sunset and sunrise times for various cities.
Edinburgh, Liverpool and Cardiff have about the same sunset. Coventry and
Newcastle have the same slightly earlier sunset and they're all later than
London. So, it's the east-west that affects the sunset time, and its the
north-south that affects how strong the sunlight is.


http://www.worldtime.com/cgi-bin/wt....0795&diameter=

2000#country


With all due respect, Latitude does play a part in day length. I refer to these
websites
http://www.synapses.co.uk/astro/planetil.html

http://www.qpais.co.uk/modb-iec/dayleng.htm

http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weathe...9/al99bjun.htm
--
Rhiannon
http://www.livejournal.com/users/rhiannon_s/
"The trick is to commit crimes so confusing that police feel too stupid to even
write a crime report about them."
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On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:28:02 GMT, Janet Baraclough..
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:33:42 +0100, "Jo Hall"
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As I mentioned in my reply to Jon, the nice south facing part of
our garden
is very open to the wind. I am not really sure what damages
plants mo
lack of sun or lots of wind!


Definitely lack of sun. Nearly all veg and herbs require "full sun"
which means at least 6 hrs/day of direct sunlight.


LOL. Have you visited the northern half of the UK, Frogleg? :-)


No. Just London. However, because it's darker there in winter,
there'll be *more* sun in summer, no?


No :-) If only!

I do stand by my advice -- the
more sun, the better.


Depends what you're growing and at what latitude. Jo is in France;
further south and warmer than the UK with less cloud cover, more sun,
and more intense light.

In some circumstances, afternoon shade and wind shelter could be preferable.
Hot afternoon sun and wind together is fine for herbs, maquis and
coastal plants with narrow/ hard/ silvery leaves etc but can be a deadly
combination for plants with large soft green leaves like tomatoes,
lettuce, beans or potatoes.

Janet



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The message
from Frogleg contains these words:

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:28:02 GMT, Janet Baraclough..
wrote:


The message
from Frogleg contains these words:

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:33:42 +0100, "Jo Hall"
wrote:


As I mentioned in my reply to Jon, the nice south facing part of
our garden
is very open to the wind. I am not really sure what damages
plants mo
lack of sun or lots of wind!


Definitely lack of sun. Nearly all veg and herbs require "full sun"
which means at least 6 hrs/day of direct sunlight.


LOL. Have you visited the northern half of the UK, Frogleg? :-)


No. Just London. However, because it's darker there in winter,
there'll be *more* sun in summer, no?


No :-) If only!

I do stand by my advice -- the
more sun, the better.


Depends what you're growing and at what latitude. Jo is in France;
further south and warmer than the UK with less cloud cover, more sun,
and more intense light.

In some circumstances, afternoon shade and wind shelter could be preferable.
Hot afternoon sun and wind together is fine for herbs, maquis and
coastal plants with narrow/ hard/ silvery leaves etc but can be a deadly
combination for plants with large soft green leaves like tomatoes,
lettuce, beans or potatoes.

Janet



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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:08:26 GMT, Janet Baraclough..
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from Frogleg contains these words:

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:28:02 GMT, Janet Baraclough..
wrote:


LOL. Have you visited the northern half of the UK, Frogleg? :-)


No. Just London. However, because it's darker there in winter,
there'll be *more* sun in summer, no?


No :-) If only!

I do stand by my advice -- the
more sun, the better.


Depends what you're growing and at what latitude. Jo is in France;
further south and warmer than the UK with less cloud cover, more sun,
and more intense light.

In some circumstances, afternoon shade and wind shelter could be preferable.
Hot afternoon sun and wind together is fine for herbs, maquis and
coastal plants with narrow/ hard/ silvery leaves etc but can be a deadly
combination for plants with large soft green leaves like tomatoes,
lettuce, beans or potatoes.


I'm going to have to draw some diagrams for myself. :-) I know that
the further north you (in the northern hemisphere), the longer the
summer day is. It may be true that the sunlight is less intense,
however. They certainly grow veg, incl. tomatoes in Fairbanks, which
is approx. 65N.

As to a combination of wind and sun, I have no personal experience
with a perpetually windy spot. The only places I know of where too
much sun is a hazard is in the desert SW of the US, and usually that's
a drought problem more than a sun one. It's plenty sunny here in
Virginia (and hot in summer, 'though frigid at the moment), and
sometimes early tomatoes and peppers (the fruit) suffer from 'sun
scald' before the foliage is mature, but I've never seen any damage to
leaves. Wind, however, is light and occasional. Except during storms
when the corn (maize) blows down. :-)
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:08:26 GMT, Janet Baraclough..
wrote:

from Frogleg contains these words:

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:28:02 GMT, Janet Baraclough..
wrote:


LOL. Have you visited the northern half of the UK, Frogleg? :-)


No. Just London. However, because it's darker there in winter,
there'll be *more* sun in summer, no?


No :-) If only!

I do stand by my advice -- the
more sun, the better.


Depends what you're growing and at what latitude. Jo is in France;
further south and warmer than the UK with less cloud cover, more sun,
and more intense light.

In some circumstances, afternoon shade and wind shelter could be preferable.
Hot afternoon sun and wind together is fine for herbs, maquis and
coastal plants with narrow/ hard/ silvery leaves etc but can be a deadly
combination for plants with large soft green leaves like tomatoes,
lettuce, beans or potatoes.


I'm going to have to draw some diagrams for myself. :-) I know that
the further north you (in the northern hemisphere), the longer the
summer day is. It may be true that the sunlight is less intense,
however. They certainly grow veg, incl. tomatoes in Fairbanks, which
is approx. 65N.

As to a combination of wind and sun, I have no personal experience
with a perpetually windy spot. The only places I know of where too
much sun is a hazard is in the desert SW of the US, and usually that's
a drought problem more than a sun one. It's plenty sunny here in
Virginia (and hot in summer, 'though frigid at the moment), and
sometimes early tomatoes and peppers (the fruit) suffer from 'sun
scald' before the foliage is mature, but I've never seen any damage to
leaves. Wind, however, is light and occasional. Except during storms
when the corn (maize) blows down. :-)


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Eh? So why in summer is sunset later in scotland compared to SW?


My 'guess' (and I may be completely wrong here) is that if you look at a
map, Scotland is further west than most of England but we are in the same
time zone. The further west you are, the later the sun will set so I'd
expect that if you look at the figures closely, the sunset time in Scotland
say for Glasgow, would be similar to that for Cornwall and both would be
much later than sunset in Kent.


You are completely wrong :-)

The far north of Scandinavia is called land of the midnight sun..the
nights hardly get dark at all. In midsummer, Scotland also gets very
short hours of darkness; much shorter than Cornwall.

In midwinter Scandinavian people get very little daylight and Scotland
is pretty dim too..a bare 7 hours. Much darker than Cornwall.
Janet (Scotland)
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"Kay Easton" wrote in message
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Eh? So why in summer is sunset later in scotland compared to SW?


My 'guess' (and I may be completely wrong here) is that if you look at a
map, Scotland is further west than most of England but we are in the same
time zone. The further west you are, the later the sun will set so I'd
expect that if you look at the figures closely, the sunset time in Scotland
say for Glasgow, would be similar to that for Cornwall and both would be
much later than sunset in Kent.


You are completely wrong :-)

The far north of Scandinavia is called land of the midnight sun..the
nights hardly get dark at all. In midsummer, Scotland also gets very
short hours of darkness; much shorter than Cornwall.

In midwinter Scandinavian people get very little daylight and Scotland
is pretty dim too..a bare 7 hours. Much darker than Cornwall.
Janet (Scotland)
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In article , Martin Sykes
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"Kay Easton" wrote in message
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Eh? So why in summer is sunset later in scotland compared to SW?


My 'guess' (and I may be completely wrong here) is that if you look at a
map, Scotland is further west than most of England but we are in the same
time zone.


That's why I specified the SW!

The further west you are, the later the sun will set so I'd
expect that if you look at the figures closely, the sunset time in Scotland
say for Glasgow, would be similar to that for Cornwall and both would be
much later than sunset in Kent.


No - Glasgow (or Edinburgh) is later than Cornwall, and in summer they
have longer days than the S of England.
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In article , Martin Sykes
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"Kay Easton" wrote in message
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Eh? So why in summer is sunset later in scotland compared to SW?


My 'guess' (and I may be completely wrong here) is that if you look at a
map, Scotland is further west than most of England but we are in the same
time zone.


That's why I specified the SW!

The further west you are, the later the sun will set so I'd
expect that if you look at the figures closely, the sunset time in Scotland
say for Glasgow, would be similar to that for Cornwall and both would be
much later than sunset in Kent.


No - Glasgow (or Edinburgh) is later than Cornwall, and in summer they
have longer days than the S of England.
--
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Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm
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In article , Martin Sykes
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This site sort of confirms what i thought: http://www.worldtime.com

On the following page it gives sunset and sunrise times for various cities.
Edinburgh, Liverpool and Cardiff have about the same sunset. Coventry and
Newcastle have the same slightly earlier sunset and they're all later than
London. So, it's the east-west that affects the sunset time, and its the
north-south that affects how strong the sunlight is.

Around the equinox (as we are now), north and south have similar length
days, but the latitude comes into play the further away we are from the
equinox roughly 8 mins for every 1 degree of latitude.

Think about it - at the equator, the day length in our midsummer is 12
hours; at the N pole the day length is 24 hours. So either there is a
line somewhere, N of which the day is 24 hours and S of which, 12 hours;
or the day gradually grown longer the further north you go.


--
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