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I did keep a posting from a long time ago giving the
places to look for cat FAQs but they0 come up blank using Google.
Is their anything else I can do to find all the tips I am looking for?

Look in the weekly post called abcfor newcomers to urg; it's got the
faqs url.


Janet

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:42:20 -0000, "Martin Sykes"
wrote:

"martin" wrote in message
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Our cats do roam around our garden. Why do people allow their dogs to
crap on the pavements?

But responsible dog owners clean up after their dogs and dispose of the mess
in the bin. I've never seen a cat owner doing the same...

Our cats are self cleaning, and there are far more dogs than
responsible owners.
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

In article , Martin Sykes
writes
"martin" wrote in message
.. .
Our cats do roam around our garden. Why do people allow their dogs to
crap on the pavements?

But responsible dog owners clean up after their dogs and dispose of the mess
in the bin. I've never seen a cat owner doing the same...

I have never seen a cat owner carefully scoop the crap into a plastic
bag, then hurl the whole lot into the nearest bush.

--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

"...........But responsible dog owners clean up after their dogs and dispose
of the mess in the bin. I've never seen a cat owner doing the
same............"

And whilst cats will dig a hole and then bury their mess if at all possible
I have yet to see a dog do more that scatter grass all over the area.It's
from catsthat we learned to make and use

Earth Closets.

The champion of the earth closet was the Reverend Henry Moule, vicar of
Fordington near Dorchester.
You can make an earth closet like his as follows:

1. Build a box from timber approximately 18" high. I made my framework from
2" x 1" softwood timber and both sides and top from 9mm plywood.

2. Make sure that the top covers all the sides and frame.

3. In the centre of the top cut a round hole approximately 10" in
diameter -make sure you sand around the edges!


4. You do not need to make a back for this box, or if you do make sure that
the back is hinged.

5. Underneath the hole place a bucket - I used an ordinary plastic bucket.

6. You then need dry earth. I collected this from the garden, put it in a
roasting tin, and dried it first in the sun, and then on top of the boiler
in the kitchen. I kept it beside the earth closet in an old nappy pale with
a close fitting lid - otherwise it can be dusty.

Each time I used the earth closet I took one small shovel full of earth -
say one or two cupfuls and covered my offering. This was plenty. I found I
could use the closet for about a week before the bucket needed emptying. I
then buried the remains in the garden and started again.

This was highly successful. There was no smell. The rest of the family
approved. The only problem is the collection and drying of the earth - this
does require a bit of effort.

You can learn more about the Rev Henry Moule here.



--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

The message
from contains these words:

I did keep a posting from a long time ago giving the
places to look for cat FAQs but they0 come up blank using Google.
Is their anything else I can do to find all the tips I am looking for?

Look in the weekly post called abcfor newcomers to urg; it's got the
faqs url.


Janet

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from contains these words:

We have a new neighbour in the close with two cats to add to the 4-5
already roaming around (why do cats never roam around their own
gardens?). I did keep a posting from a long time ago giving the
places to look for cat FAQs but they0 come up blank using Google.
Is their anything else I can do to find all the tips I am looking for?
Thank you,

This isn't a cat help group. Try rec.cats, rec.cats.misc,
alt.animals.cat and alt.pets.cats.

HTH

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from contains these words:

We have a new neighbour in the close with two cats to add to the 4-5
already roaming around (why do cats never roam around their own
gardens?). I did keep a posting from a long time ago giving the
places to look for cat FAQs but they0 come up blank using Google.
Is their anything else I can do to find all the tips I am looking for?
Thank you,

This isn't a cat help group. Try rec.cats, rec.cats.misc,
alt.animals.cat and alt.pets.cats.

HTH

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

"martin" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:42:20 -0000, "Martin Sykes"
wrote:

"martin" wrote in message
.. .
Our cats do roam around our garden. Why do people allow their dogs to
crap on the pavements?

But responsible dog owners clean up after their dogs and dispose of the
mess
in the bin. I've never seen a cat owner doing the same...

Our cats are self cleaning, and there are far more dogs than
responsible owners.
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

Digging up other people's plants and burrying the mess under 2mm of soil is
not my definition of self-cleaning.

--
Martin & Anna Sykes
( Remove x's when replying )
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~sykesm

"Kay Easton" wrote in message
...
I have never seen a cat owner carefully scoop the crap into a plastic
bag, then hurl the whole lot into the nearest bush.

....which I agree is disgusting behaviour but you'd complain even more if
people let their dogs wander around your garden crapping in your borders.
This really isn't about whether cat owners are better than dog owners (I am
personally neither), its about people expecting to enjoy their own gardens
without suffering due to other people's pets. But... A responsible dog owner
wouldn't dream of letting their dog crap in someone elses garden without
apologising and cleaning it up whereas many 'responsible' cat owners seem to
think the same behaviour from a cat is perfectly acceptable.

The bottom line though is that I accept you can't control what a cat does. A
cat owner doesn't really own or have any control over a cat beyond what the
cat sees as in its immeditate best interests. So to all you cat owners out
there, your cats *are* a proven nuisance to others but there's nothing we
can practically/legally do about them so just shut up and let us moan - it's
your penance for inflicting your cats on us.

--
Martin & Anna Sykes
( Remove x's when replying )
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~sykesm

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:46:56 -0000, "Martin Sykes"
wrote:

Digging up other people's plants and burrying the mess under 2mm of soil is
not my definition of self-cleaning.

Who gives a toss about your definition?
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:56:45 -0000, "Martin Sykes"
wrote:



"Kay Easton" wrote in message
...
I have never seen a cat owner carefully scoop the crap into a plastic
bag, then hurl the whole lot into the nearest bush.

...which I agree is disgusting behaviour but you'd complain even more if
people let their dogs wander around your garden crapping in your borders.

but people do allow their dogs to do exactly that. I've seen dog
owners watch their dogs crapping in children's sand pits.

This really isn't about whether cat owners are better than dog owners (I am
personally neither), its about people expecting to enjoy their own gardens
without suffering due to other people's pets. But... A responsible dog owner
wouldn't dream of letting their dog crap in someone elses garden without
apologising and cleaning it up whereas many 'responsible' cat owners seem to
think the same behaviour from a cat is perfectly acceptable.

Responsible dog owners are a minority. Why do you think Europe's
pavements are covered in dog crap?


The bottom line though is that I accept you can't control what a cat does. A
cat owner doesn't really own or have any control over a cat beyond what the
cat sees as in its immeditate best interests. So to all you cat owners out
there, your cats *are* a proven nuisance to others but there's nothing we
can practically/legally do about them so just shut up and let us moan - it's
your penance for inflicting your cats on us.

Our cats crap in our garden.
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

"martin" wrote in message
...

but people do allow their dogs to do exactly that. I've seen dog
owners watch their dogs crapping in children's sand pits.
Responsible dog owners are a minority. Why do you think Europe's
pavements are covered in dog crap?

Fair enough. Then they are just as bad as the cat owners who allow their
cats to do the same. As I said, it's not about whether it's cats or dogs, it
about what they do and so far nobodys dog has crapped in my veg beds.

Our cats crap in our garden.

Then I congratulate you on training them so well and hope I can assume they
*only* crap in your garden and not anyone elses as that's the real issue.
Unfortunately, someones cat(s) is/are crapping in my garden and as I don't
have cats, I know it's not mine.

--
Martin & Anna Sykes
( Remove x's when replying )
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~sykesm

"martin" wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:46:56 -0000, "Martin Sykes"
wrote:

Digging up other people's plants and burrying the mess under 2mm of soil
is
not my definition of self-cleaning.

Who gives a toss about your definition?
--

Me. It's my definition, my plants and my garden. And in my garden, my
opinion is the only one that counts. :-P

--
Martin & Anna Sykes
( Remove x's when replying )
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~sykesm

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:46:56 -0000, "Martin Sykes"
wrote:

Digging up other people's plants and burrying the mess under 2mm of soil
is
not my definition of self-cleaning.

Who gives a toss about your definition?
--

Me. It's my definition, my plants and my garden. And in my garden, my
opinion is the only one that counts. :-P

--
Martin & Anna Sykes
( Remove x's when replying )
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~sykesm

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:03:12 -0000, "Martin Sykes"
wrote:

"martin" wrote in message
.. .

but people do allow their dogs to do exactly that. I've seen dog
owners watch their dogs crapping in children's sand pits.
Responsible dog owners are a minority. Why do you think Europe's
pavements are covered in dog crap?

Fair enough. Then they are just as bad as the cat owners who allow their
cats to do the same. As I said, it's not about whether it's cats or dogs, it
about what they do and so far nobodys dog has crapped in my veg beds.

Something to look forward to? :-)


Our cats crap in our garden.

Then I congratulate you on training them so well and hope I can assume they
*only* crap in your garden and not anyone elses as that's the real issue.

With the exception of the lady, who has completely covered her small
garden with inverted flower pots each with a sharpened bamboo stick
protruding from the hole, everybody in our block has cats.

Unfortunately, someones cat(s) is/are crapping in my garden and as I don't
have cats, I know it's not mine.

Our cats are too old and lazy to walk further than the nearest bit of
our garden that they can bury things in.
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad