"Nick Wagg" wrote in message
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"John" wrote in message
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In a Garden Centre in Ivybridge, Devon, one is greeted with 'piped'
bird song. Although it's only a recording, it is very effective.

They have it in Huntingdon GC too. I prefer the real thing but
it's better than nothing.

The reason I mention it is that the gardens around my home have
- during the past half a dozen years - become sterile of birds.

I'll not go into the reason for obvious reasons, but it occurs to me
that a poor second choice to true bird song, would be the mentioned
disced copy.

Does anyone know of a disc of British bird song? Not one
of those with musical background - or dreadful shrieking choir -
but genuine, honest to goodness birds singing their hearts out.

IIRC, the RSPB web site has some for sale.
--
Nick Wagg



There was a chap in London on one garden show, his whole roof was his garden
and he'd installed small speakers all over the place to pipe through bird
song. So I guess these things exists, just offering up a small glimmer of
hope.
Duncan

The message
from "Nick Wagg" contains these words:

Does anyone know of a disc of British bird song? Not one
of those with musical background - or dreadful shrieking choir -
but genuine, honest to goodness birds singing their hearts out.

IIRC, the RSPB web site has some for sale.

I have one recorded by Ludwig Koch, but it's not for sale.

And it is unlikely to be in the current releases. You could google for
one though.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:12:20 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from "Nick Wagg" contains these words:

Does anyone know of a disc of British bird song? Not one
of those with musical background - or dreadful shrieking choir -
but genuine, honest to goodness birds singing their hearts out.

IIRC, the RSPB web site has some for sale.

I have one recorded by Ludwig Koch, but it's not for sale.

For sound samples try here
http://www.bl.uk/collections/sound-archive/wildex.html


Despite having two cats, we have the real thing in our garden, perhaps
because we don't have Franz's music blaring over the wall :-)

Incidentally, I noticed that there were no sparrows here, at least a
year before I saw reports about their absence in the UK. They didn't
slowly decline, one year there were lots and the next they had all
gone. We have a sparrow that feeds in our garden at the moment, their
place has been taken by finches and tits.


And it is unlikely to be in the current releases. You could google for
one though.

What about Percy wotshis names bird imitations?

Long ago I went to a small village beer festival in Bavaria, in the
gents was an obese Bavarian in lederhosen standing in a stall doing
really good bird imitations, I reported this to the friends I was
with. One went to see for himself, he reported that the Bavarian was
still there but was doing good steam engine imitations. About half an
hour later, the Bavarian emerged from the bogs and climbed onto the
stage, where he did a performance of bird and steam engine imitations.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:06:08 +0100, martin wrote:

... the Bavarian emerged from the bogs and climbed onto the
stage, where he did a performance of bird and steam engine imitations.

You see, that's what happens to you after a lifetime of wine, women and
amateur dramatics. ;-)

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:03:10 GMT, Tim Challenger
"timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at" wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:06:08 +0100, martin wrote:

... the Bavarian emerged from the bogs and climbed onto the
stage, where he did a performance of bird and steam engine imitations.

You see, that's what happens to you after a lifetime of wine, women and
amateur dramatics. ;-)

LOL
It beats Gilbert and Sullivan and Gilbert O'Sullivan too, if it comes
to that.

I didn't mention it, but we were convinced he had a problem with his
bladder :-)

"John" wrote in message
...
In a Garden Centre in Ivybridge, Devon, one is greeted with 'piped'
bird song. Although it's only a recording, it is very effective.

The reason I mention it is that the gardens around my home have
- during the past half a dozen years - become sterile of birds.

I'll not go into the reason for obvious reasons, but it occurs to me
that a poor second choice to true bird song, would be the mentioned
disced copy.

Does anyone know of a disc of British bird song? Not one
of those with musical background - or dreadful shrieking choir -
but genuine, honest to goodness birds singing their hearts out.

Who knows, it may attract back the originals?

Thank you
==================================================

Hi Try the following link - CJ Birdfood have a number of cd's dvd's which
might fit the bill.
http://www.birdfood.co.uk/shop/index.htm

Chris S

The message
from John contains these words:

In a Garden Centre in Ivybridge, Devon, one is greeted with 'piped'
bird song. Although it's only a recording, it is very effective.

The reason I mention it is that the gardens around my home have
- during the past half a dozen years - become sterile of birds.

I'll not go into the reason for obvious reasons, but it occurs to me
that a poor second choice to true bird song, would be the mentioned
disced copy.

Does anyone know of a disc of British bird song? Not one
of those with musical background - or dreadful shrieking choir -
but genuine, honest to goodness birds singing their hearts out.

Who knows, it may attract back the originals?

Thank you
==================================================

Have you got a cd burner? Maybe the RSPB`s website has a few on there
that you can download and put onto a disc.

"John" wrote in message
...
In a Garden Centre in Ivybridge, Devon, one is greeted with 'piped'
bird song. Although it's only a recording, it is very effective.

The reason I mention it is that the gardens around my home have
- during the past half a dozen years - become sterile of birds.

I'll not go into the reason for obvious reasons, but it occurs to me
that a poor second choice to true bird song, would be the mentioned
disced copy.

Does anyone know of a disc of British bird song? Not one
of those with musical background - or dreadful shrieking choir -
but genuine, honest to goodness birds singing their hearts out.

Who knows, it may attract back the originals?

Thank you
==================================================

HI again,
plan B would be to go to
http://www.garden-birds.co.uk/
and listen and download to your heart's content. It drives my cats daft!
Chris S

The message
from martin contains these words:

Incidentally, I noticed that there were no sparrows here, at least a
year before I saw reports about their absence in the UK. They didn't
slowly decline, one year there were lots and the next they had all
gone. We have a sparrow that feeds in our garden at the moment, their
place has been taken by finches and tits.

There's a theory that they were hit by an epidemic of some sort, and
that it has nothing to do with human activity - after all, they are
known to have been associated with dwellings for centuries.

That isn't to deny though, that some new agricultural process couldn't
be to blame.


And it is unlikely to be in the current releases. You could google for
one though.

What about Percy wotshis names bird imitations?

Long ago I went to a small village beer festival in Bavaria, in the
gents was an obese Bavarian in lederhosen standing in a stall doing
really good bird imitations, I reported this to the friends I was
with. One went to see for himself, he reported that the Bavarian was
still there but was doing good steam engine imitations. About half an
hour later, the Bavarian emerged from the bogs and climbed onto the
stage, where he did a performance of bird and steam engine imitations.

Chough-chough-chough.........

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from martin contains these words:

Incidentally, I noticed that there were no sparrows here, at least a
year before I saw reports about their absence in the UK. They didn't
slowly decline, one year there were lots and the next they had all
gone. We have a sparrow that feeds in our garden at the moment, their
place has been taken by finches and tits.

There's a theory that they were hit by an epidemic of some sort, and
that it has nothing to do with human activity - after all, they are
known to have been associated with dwellings for centuries.

That isn't to deny though, that some new agricultural process couldn't
be to blame.


And it is unlikely to be in the current releases. You could google for
one though.

What about Percy wotshis names bird imitations?

Long ago I went to a small village beer festival in Bavaria, in the
gents was an obese Bavarian in lederhosen standing in a stall doing
really good bird imitations, I reported this to the friends I was
with. One went to see for himself, he reported that the Bavarian was
still there but was doing good steam engine imitations. About half an
hour later, the Bavarian emerged from the bogs and climbed onto the
stage, where he did a performance of bird and steam engine imitations.

Chough-chough-chough.........

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

Sorry this is a late reply and may look odd - the original thread's
vanished off my reader but I had to reply...

John ) wrote:

~In a Garden Centre in Ivybridge, Devon, one is greeted with 'piped'
~bird song. Although it's only a recording, it is very effective.
~
~The reason I mention it is that the gardens around my home have
~- during the past half a dozen years - become sterile of birds.
~
~I'll not go into the reason for obvious reasons, but it occurs to me
~that a poor second choice to true bird song, would be the mentioned
~disced copy.
~
~Does anyone know of a disc of British bird song? Not one
~of those with musical background - or dreadful shrieking choir -
~but genuine, honest to goodness birds singing their hearts out.
~
~Who knows, it may attract back the originals?
~
~Thank you

I was also met by a CD of birdsong a week ago at the gardens of
Heligan, and upon asking, found it was recorded in the gardens and
they have burned CDs to sell in their shop. There are some 51 minutes
of song, and though one long track, the insert has a key to main birds
heard in it by time.

It cost me £6 and is wonderfully relaxing and thankyou for alerting me
to these CDs. And they sell it online for £7 inc P&P

http://www.heliganshop.com/ShowDetails.asp?id=255

Hope this helps... (she says, listening to a particularly melodious
blackbird)


--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!

I was also met by a CD of birdsong a week ago at the gardens of
Heligan, and upon asking, found it was recorded in the gardens and
they have burned CDs to sell in their shop. There are some 51 minutes
of song, and though one long track, the insert has a key to main birds
heard in it by time.

It cost me £6 and is wonderfully relaxing and thankyou for alerting me
to these CDs. And they sell it online for £7 inc P&P

http://www.heliganshop.com/ShowDetails.asp?id=255

Hope this helps... (she says, listening to a particularly melodious
blackbird)


I have a CD of birdsong myself and have lent it to the primary school where
I work and where they have established a quiet room for relaxation and
general chilling out (teachers have been told they cannot escape there too
regularly as it is intended for use by pupils!). I bought it to attract
more birds back into my garden and it appears to work.

I once saw a TV report about a gardener in London who lived in a block of
flats and built a garden of pots on the roof of the flats. There was not a
bird in sight so he bought a tape and played it daily in the garden. Not
only did the other residents enjoy it but it definitely attracted real birds
into the garden and he no longer has any need to play his tape.

Vicky

With a large, relatively isolated, garden we had years and years of a
glorious dawn chorus and daily hundreds of visitors to various bird tables.
Then there were raptorial problems when two pairs of Buzzards moved in;
and remained. They breed every year but four remain ~~possibly not the same
individuals.
Not a single songbird remains. Even minute Wrens were pulled out of the
Ivy covered banks. They were so brazen that my wife was attacked till she
released a Fantail Dove she was protecting. All forty doves were taken in
four weeks.
I get no pleasure from seeing any bird of prey knowing that their prey
is/was our enjoyment. That they are protected is beyond my understanding. If
one of us wilfully killed numerous song birds on a daily basis we would
correctly face severe prosecution.
I even offered to pay the fine 'up front' to shoot them but this was
then changed to a threat of prison just because I had advised them in
advance!!.
Now a completely dead sky with not even a venturous flyover by any other
than the Buzzards..
Naively I had hoped that once all prey was consumed they would move on
but they remain with our garden as their base.
Best Wishes.
"jane" wrote in message
...
Sorry this is a late reply and may look odd - the original thread's
vanished off my reader but I had to reply...

John ) wrote:

~In a Garden Centre in Ivybridge, Devon, one is greeted with 'piped'
~bird song. Although it's only a recording, it is very effective.
~
~The reason I mention it is that the gardens around my home have
~- during the past half a dozen years - become sterile of birds.
~
~I'll not go into the reason for obvious reasons, but it occurs to me
~that a poor second choice to true bird song, would be the mentioned
~disced copy.
~
~Does anyone know of a disc of British bird song? Not one
~of those with musical background - or dreadful shrieking choir -
~but genuine, honest to goodness birds singing their hearts out.
~
~Who knows, it may attract back the originals?
~
~Thank you

I was also met by a CD of birdsong a week ago at the gardens of
Heligan, and upon asking, found it was recorded in the gardens and
they have burned CDs to sell in their shop. There are some 51 minutes
of song, and though one long track, the insert has a key to main birds
heard in it by time.

It cost me £6 and is wonderfully relaxing and thankyou for alerting me
to these CDs. And they sell it online for £7 inc P&P

http://www.heliganshop.com/ShowDetails.asp?id=255

Hope this helps... (she says, listening to a particularly melodious
blackbird)


--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:25:58 +0100, "Brian"
wrote:

With a large, relatively isolated, garden we had years and years of a
glorious dawn chorus and daily hundreds of visitors to various bird tables.
Then there were raptorial problems when two pairs of Buzzards moved in;
and remained. They breed every year but four remain ~~possibly not the same
individuals.
Not a single songbird remains. Even minute Wrens were pulled out of the
Ivy covered banks. They were so brazen that my wife was attacked till she
released a Fantail Dove she was protecting. All forty doves were taken in
four weeks.
I get no pleasure from seeing any bird of prey knowing that their prey
is/was our enjoyment. That they are protected is beyond my understanding. If
one of us wilfully killed numerous song birds on a daily basis we would
correctly face severe prosecution.
I even offered to pay the fine 'up front' to shoot them but this was
then changed to a threat of prison just because I had advised them in
advance!!.
Now a completely dead sky with not even a venturous flyover by any other
than the Buzzards..
Naively I had hoped that once all prey was consumed they would move on
but they remain with our garden as their base.
Best Wishes.
"jane" wrote in message
...
Sorry this is a late reply and may look odd - the original thread's
vanished off my reader but I had to reply...

John ) wrote:

~In a Garden Centre in Ivybridge, Devon, one is greeted with 'piped'
~bird song. Although it's only a recording, it is very effective.
~
~The reason I mention it is that the gardens around my home have
~- during the past half a dozen years - become sterile of birds.
~
~I'll not go into the reason for obvious reasons, but it occurs to me
~that a poor second choice to true bird song, would be the mentioned
~disced copy.
~
~Does anyone know of a disc of British bird song? Not one
~of those with musical background - or dreadful shrieking choir -
~but genuine, honest to goodness birds singing their hearts out.
~
~Who knows, it may attract back the originals?
~
~Thank you

I was also met by a CD of birdsong a week ago at the gardens of
Heligan, and upon asking, found it was recorded in the gardens and
they have burned CDs to sell in their shop. There are some 51 minutes
of song, and though one long track, the insert has a key to main birds
heard in it by time.

It cost me £6 and is wonderfully relaxing and thankyou for alerting me
to these CDs. And they sell it online for £7 inc P&P

http://www.heliganshop.com/ShowDetails.asp?id=255

Hope this helps... (she says, listening to a particularly melodious
blackbird)


--
jane
==============================
Jane.
Many thanks. I've had a look at Heligan's offer and from
its description it would appear to be very simple to that which
is to be offered -later this month- from ...
http://www.wildsong.co.uk/index.html
which address was also offered on/in? this site.

John
========================================

In article ,
says...

Then there were raptorial problems when two pairs of Buzzards moved in;
and remained. They breed every year but four remain ~~possibly not the same
individuals.
Not a single songbird remains. Even minute Wrens were pulled out of the
Ivy covered banks. They were so brazen that my wife was attacked till she
released a Fantail Dove she was protecting. All forty doves were taken in
four weeks.

It made me cross once when my mail to that group doing the sparrow
survey was poo-poohed. At my last home we had a little group of 6
sparrows that would briefly fly in and out of the garden. Then when we
read about their decline we decided to see what we could do so started
buying the recommended foods to supplement their insects, and grew a
ceanothus because the thick growth would give them cover.

Anyway those six had two broods in the final year, making over 50 at one
count in our garden. The last of the young were just losing their
yellow beaky bits when a sparrow hawk suddenly appeared for the first
time ever seen in our garden.

All the sparrows flew up into the ceanothus and the hawk started
crashing into it trying to dislodge them. Well so much for books that
say they use stealth and sneak up on them as they fly from tree to tree.

He wasn't even bothering to eat them and there were perfectly untouched
little bodies under the tree where they'd simply died of a heart attack
of something. We never saw another sparrow in that garden so we'd even
lost the long-term original six.

When I told the sparrow survey about this they said sparrow hawks don't
do this. I think they've already made up their mind it's a habitat
thing, so why bother with the questionnaires?