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Jaques d'Alltrades 24-03-2004 05:42 PM

hose in hose?
 
The message
from "David Hill" contains these
words:

I can find no other ref. to Gallgaskins.


Try looking under 'galligaskins'.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
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Jaques d'Alltrades 24-03-2004 05:42 PM

hose in hose?
 
The message
from "David Hill" contains these
words:

I can find no other ref. to Gallgaskins.


Try looking under 'galligaskins'.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

Jaques d'Alltrades 24-03-2004 05:42 PM

hose in hose?
 
The message
from "David Hill" contains these
words:

I can find no other ref. to Gallgaskins.


Try looking under 'galligaskins'.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

jane 24-03-2004 05:48 PM

hose in hose?
 
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:38:54 +0000, Janet Tweedy
wrote:

~In article , jane
writes
~
~An RHS webpage I found said these folk have them:
~
~ Three Counties Nursery
~Marshwood, Bridport, Dorset DT6 5QJ
~Tel: 01297 678257
~Hybrid and old fashioned garden pinks (mail order only).
~
~Hope this gives you a few starting points
~

~I'd already got those thanks but they aren't Primula specialists so
~won't have a lot of choice. I know there was one 'proper' nursery in
~Leics. or might have been Lincs. they specialised in Auriculas and
~primulas but can't find the name:)

OK have found the RHS Garden article on hose-in-hose I remembered (March
2003 p172) and sadly they only quote what has already been noted - only UK
suppliers are Three Counties Nurseries and Barnhaven seeds over in St
Sebastien, France. (www.barnhavenprimroses.com)

Colours were initially silver, cream, yellow, gold, red, purple and rose.
More experimental colours are also available (sky blue, gentian blue, pink,
salmon and bright red). They said availability would get better after last
June.

sorry - I haven't any more clues :-(


--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!

Rod 24-03-2004 05:49 PM

hose in hose?
 
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:12:27 +0000, Janet Tweedy
wrote:


Anyone recommend a supplier of hose in hose? I've been meaning to get a
couple of plants for some time but never found anywhere that grew them.
Now a friend has also expressed a desire to buy some so I ought to start
looking again
janet


Barnhaven are the usual suspects.


Rod

Weed my email address to reply
http://website.lineone.net/~rodcraddock/index.html

Janet Tweedy 24-03-2004 05:49 PM

hose in hose?
 
In article , Mark Warren
writes
"Chris Stewart" wrote in message
...

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...

Anyone recommend a supplier of hose in hose? I've been meaning to get a
couple of plants for some time but never found anywhere that grew them.
Now a friend has also expressed a desire to buy some so I ought to start
looking again
janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk


Hose in hose? I'm not familiar with this - any more clues as to what it

is -
animal, vegetable or mineral? :-)
Chris S


A quick google suggests possibly azalea, possibly primrose.

If it is primrose
http://www.barnhavenprimroses.com/plants/Enthusiast's%20primroses.htm have
seeds. Never used them just found it on google. Also
http://www.mr-fothergills.co.uk.

Mark




It is a Primula it has outer and inner sort of leaves where the flowers
are. 'Wanda' is one named variety. You can also get other plants called
hose in hose but generally it's always alluded to the Primula.
janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Janet Tweedy 24-03-2004 05:49 PM

hose in hose?
 
In article , jane
writes

They were recently rejuvenated by a breeder who has managed to
stabilise the strain so they come almost true from seed (before it was
very random).

Now all I have to do is remember who it was...




Have you remembered yet?

I know that Three counties nurseries won a silver at the recent RHS show
but don't know of any main suppliers.
janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Janet Tweedy 24-03-2004 05:49 PM

hose in hose?
 
In article , jane
writes

An RHS webpage I found said these folk have them:

Three Counties Nursery
Marshwood, Bridport, Dorset DT6 5QJ
Tel: 01297 678257
Hybrid and old fashioned garden pinks (mail order only).

Hope this gives you a few starting points




I'd already got those thanks but they aren't Primula specialists so
won't have a lot of choice. I know there was one 'proper' nursery in
Leics. or might have been Lincs. they specialised in Auriculas and
primulas but can't find the name:)
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Rodger Whitlock 24-03-2004 05:50 PM

hose in hose?
 
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:35:28 +0000, Janet Tweedy wrote:

[Hose-in-hose] is a Primula it has outer and inner sort of leaves where the flowers
are. 'Wanda' is one named variety. You can also get other plants called
hose in hose but generally it's always alluded to the Primula.


"Hose-in-hose" refers to a form of doubling where one complete
flower is nested inside another. The primulas with a ruff of
leaves behind the petals are called "jack in the greens".

Wanda is neither a h-i-h nor a j-i-t-g, but there is a very
similar plant, originally bred in Seattle, which is a j-i-t-g. It
is called 'Julie Jack' or 'Jay Jay' depending on which side of
the 49th parallel you're on.

There are some dreadful h-i-h forms on the market this spring, in
garish colors and oversized flowers. I prefer my little yellow
hose-in-hose oxlip. (Or is it a cowslip?)


--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
[change "atlantic" to "pacific" and
"invalid" to "net" to reply by email]

David Hill 24-03-2004 05:51 PM

hose in hose?
 

I have always understood that "hose in Hose" referred to flowers that had
one flower growing from the centre of another, most commonly Primula wanda
"Hose in Hose", Mimulus naiandinus "Hose in hose".
The plant finder list 5 nurseries with the primula, unfortunately I lost
mine 3 or 4 years ago, and I think I lost my mimulus this last summer
through neglect.
Oxslip was always said to be a cross between primrose and cowslip, though
P.elatior was supposed to be the "true" oxslip.
In passing.my "Bible" (probably printed around 1920) says
"The double flowered Primroses,white, yellow, mauve, red. etc, etc. are
"Antiques" of exceptional charm, whilst other interesting old Primroses are
Jack in the green, Gallgaskins, Hose in Hose etc".
I can find no other ref. to Gallgaskins.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk





jane 24-03-2004 05:51 PM

hose in hose?
 
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:38:54 +0000, Janet Tweedy
wrote:

~In article , jane
writes
~
~An RHS webpage I found said these folk have them:
~
~ Three Counties Nursery
~Marshwood, Bridport, Dorset DT6 5QJ
~Tel: 01297 678257
~Hybrid and old fashioned garden pinks (mail order only).
~
~Hope this gives you a few starting points
~

~I'd already got those thanks but they aren't Primula specialists so
~won't have a lot of choice. I know there was one 'proper' nursery in
~Leics. or might have been Lincs. they specialised in Auriculas and
~primulas but can't find the name:)

OK have found the RHS Garden article on hose-in-hose I remembered (March
2003 p172) and sadly they only quote what has already been noted - only UK
suppliers are Three Counties Nurseries and Barnhaven seeds over in St
Sebastien, France. (www.barnhavenprimroses.com)

Colours were initially silver, cream, yellow, gold, red, purple and rose.
More experimental colours are also available (sky blue, gentian blue, pink,
salmon and bright red). They said availability would get better after last
June.

sorry - I haven't any more clues :-(


--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!

Rodger Whitlock 24-03-2004 05:53 PM

hose in hose?
 
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:35:28 +0000, Janet Tweedy wrote:

[Hose-in-hose] is a Primula it has outer and inner sort of leaves where the flowers
are. 'Wanda' is one named variety. You can also get other plants called
hose in hose but generally it's always alluded to the Primula.


"Hose-in-hose" refers to a form of doubling where one complete
flower is nested inside another. The primulas with a ruff of
leaves behind the petals are called "jack in the greens".

Wanda is neither a h-i-h nor a j-i-t-g, but there is a very
similar plant, originally bred in Seattle, which is a j-i-t-g. It
is called 'Julie Jack' or 'Jay Jay' depending on which side of
the 49th parallel you're on.

There are some dreadful h-i-h forms on the market this spring, in
garish colors and oversized flowers. I prefer my little yellow
hose-in-hose oxlip. (Or is it a cowslip?)


--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
[change "atlantic" to "pacific" and
"invalid" to "net" to reply by email]

David Hill 24-03-2004 05:54 PM

hose in hose?
 

I have always understood that "hose in Hose" referred to flowers that had
one flower growing from the centre of another, most commonly Primula wanda
"Hose in Hose", Mimulus naiandinus "Hose in hose".
The plant finder list 5 nurseries with the primula, unfortunately I lost
mine 3 or 4 years ago, and I think I lost my mimulus this last summer
through neglect.
Oxslip was always said to be a cross between primrose and cowslip, though
P.elatior was supposed to be the "true" oxslip.
In passing.my "Bible" (probably printed around 1920) says
"The double flowered Primroses,white, yellow, mauve, red. etc, etc. are
"Antiques" of exceptional charm, whilst other interesting old Primroses are
Jack in the green, Gallgaskins, Hose in Hose etc".
I can find no other ref. to Gallgaskins.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk





Jaques d'Alltrades 24-03-2004 05:55 PM

hose in hose?
 
The message
from "David Hill" contains these
words:

I can find no other ref. to Gallgaskins.


Try looking under 'galligaskins'.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

Jaques d'Alltrades 24-03-2004 05:58 PM

hose in hose?
 
The message
from "David Hill" contains these
words:

I can find no other ref. to Gallgaskins.


Try looking under 'galligaskins'.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

Janet Tweedy 24-03-2004 10:16 PM

hose in hose?
 
In article , Rodger Whitlock
writes

Wanda is neither a h-i-h nor a j-i-t-g,


Well in the RHS Garden magazine they have Wanda listed as a hose in hose
winning a prize etc ! Perhaps they meant something else?

Janet

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Janet Tweedy 24-03-2004 10:16 PM

hose in hose?
 
In article , David Hill
writes

I have always understood that "hose in Hose" referred to flowers that had
one flower growing from the centre of another, most commonly Primula wanda
"Hose in Hose",



That's the one I thought it was David. I assumed the outer petals were
modified leaves but then I'm not too up on primulas :)
Definitely thought Wanda was a H-i-H perhaps Roger is thinking of
another variety?

janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Janet Tweedy 24-03-2004 10:16 PM

hose in hose?
 
In article , jane
writes

OK have found the RHS Garden article on hose-in-hose I remembered (March
2003 p172)


Yes thanks Jane, I have the copy, I needed to source different ones if I
could. Never mind, I shall continue my search
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Janet Tweedy 24-03-2004 10:25 PM

hose in hose?
 
In article , Rodger Whitlock
writes

Wanda is neither a h-i-h nor a j-i-t-g,


Well in the RHS Garden magazine they have Wanda listed as a hose in hose
winning a prize etc ! Perhaps they meant something else?

Janet

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Janet Tweedy 24-03-2004 10:25 PM

hose in hose?
 
In article , David Hill
writes

I have always understood that "hose in Hose" referred to flowers that had
one flower growing from the centre of another, most commonly Primula wanda
"Hose in Hose",



That's the one I thought it was David. I assumed the outer petals were
modified leaves but then I'm not too up on primulas :)
Definitely thought Wanda was a H-i-H perhaps Roger is thinking of
another variety?

janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Janet Tweedy 24-03-2004 10:25 PM

hose in hose?
 
In article , jane
writes

OK have found the RHS Garden article on hose-in-hose I remembered (March
2003 p172)


Yes thanks Jane, I have the copy, I needed to source different ones if I
could. Never mind, I shall continue my search
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Rodger Whitlock 25-03-2004 02:59 PM

hose in hose?
 
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:54:35 +0000, Janet Tweedy wrote:

In article , Rodger Whitlock
writes

Wanda is neither a h-i-h nor a j-i-t-g,


Well in the RHS Garden magazine they have Wanda listed as a hose in hose
winning a prize etc ! Perhaps they meant something else?


After checking my stash of primula books, I can report back that
there is such a thing as "Wanda hose", a hose-in-hose version of
Wanda. Whether it is a sport of Wanda or a seedling or a cousin
is not stated.

That it is distinguished from Wanda proper implies that W.p. is
not hose-in-hose -- in agreement with the vast sheets of Wanda
that ornament local gardens at this time of year.

The latest Plantfinder in my possession, 1998-99, lists, in
addition to Wanda proper, both 'Wanda Hose in Hose' and 'Wanda
Jack in the Green' which in a way confirms that these are
distinct from Wanda proper.

I rather wonder if 'Wanda Jack in the Green' is the cultivar
known here as 'Julie Jack', as the latter is very similar to
Wanda, though redder in color.


--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
[change "atlantic" to "pacific" and
"invalid" to "net" to reply by email]

Rodger Whitlock 25-03-2004 03:00 PM

hose in hose?
 
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:54:35 +0000, Janet Tweedy wrote:

In article , Rodger Whitlock
writes

Wanda is neither a h-i-h nor a j-i-t-g,


Well in the RHS Garden magazine they have Wanda listed as a hose in hose
winning a prize etc ! Perhaps they meant something else?


After checking my stash of primula books, I can report back that
there is such a thing as "Wanda hose", a hose-in-hose version of
Wanda. Whether it is a sport of Wanda or a seedling or a cousin
is not stated.

That it is distinguished from Wanda proper implies that W.p. is
not hose-in-hose -- in agreement with the vast sheets of Wanda
that ornament local gardens at this time of year.

The latest Plantfinder in my possession, 1998-99, lists, in
addition to Wanda proper, both 'Wanda Hose in Hose' and 'Wanda
Jack in the Green' which in a way confirms that these are
distinct from Wanda proper.

I rather wonder if 'Wanda Jack in the Green' is the cultivar
known here as 'Julie Jack', as the latter is very similar to
Wanda, though redder in color.


--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
[change "atlantic" to "pacific" and
"invalid" to "net" to reply by email]


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