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Sacha 12-04-2004 10:35 AM

Poisonous plants
 
This is an alphabetical listing of poisonous plants:
http://www.powen.freeserve.co.uk/Ref...ison%20a-m.htm

It runs to 7 pages. ;-)
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Sacha
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Sacha 12-04-2004 10:35 AM

Poisonous plants
 
Sacha12/4/04 10:11
net.co.uk

This is an alphabetical listing of poisonous plants:
http://www.powen.freeserve.co.uk/Ref...ison%20a-m.htm

It runs to 7 pages. ;-)


I got ahead of myself there - 7 pages is just A to M. A to Z is 12 pages!
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Sacha
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Neil Jones 13-04-2004 01:05 PM

Poisonous plants
 

"Sacha" wrote in message
o.uk...
Sacha12/4/04 10:11

6.fs
net.co.uk

This is an alphabetical listing of poisonous plants:

http://www.powen.freeserve.co.uk/Ref...ison%20a-m.htm

It runs to 7 pages. ;-)


I got ahead of myself there - 7 pages is just A to M. A to Z is 12

pages!
--

Sacha
(remove the weeds to email me)



A lot of these seem to be rated 1 ie non-toxic. How many pages is it if
you exclude these?



Nick Maclaren 13-04-2004 02:08 PM

Poisonous plants
 

In article ,
"Neil Jones" writes:
| "Sacha" wrote in message
| o.uk...
| Sacha12/4/04 10:11
|
| This is an alphabetical listing of poisonous plants:
|
| http://www.powen.freeserve.co.uk/Ref...ison%20a-m.htm
|
| It runs to 7 pages. ;-)
|
| I got ahead of myself there - 7 pages is just A to M. A to Z is 12
| pages!
|
| A lot of these seem to be rated 1 ie non-toxic. How many pages is it if
| you exclude these?

Dunno, but it is sufficiently incomplete that I wouldn't bother with
it. Try runner beans, flowering tobacco (nicotiana), bluebell,
common laurel and horse chestnut, to name but a few commonly-planted
decoratives.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Edwin Spector 13-04-2004 02:10 PM

Poisonous plants
 
Just how poisonous is an apple tree?
And forget-me-not, and grape hyacinth? Honeysuckle, marigold, peony, privet...

Edwin
Bath.

Kay Easton 13-04-2004 02:35 PM

Poisonous plants
 
In article , Edwin Spector
writes
Just how poisonous is an apple tree?


ISTR the pips contain minute amounts of cyanide ;-)
Not enough to do any harm unless you were to eat them in *vast* amounts,
but they are in the same family as bitter almonds and cherry laurel.

And forget-me-not, and grape hyacinth? Honeysuckle, marigold, peony, privet...


Honeysuckle berries and privet berries are both poisonous. Privet has a
violent purging effect and can be fatal to children.
--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

Sacha 13-04-2004 03:39 PM

Poisonous plants
 
Neil Jones13/4/04 1:02


"Sacha" wrote in message
o.uk...
Sacha12/4/04 10:11

6.fs
net.co.uk

This is an alphabetical listing of poisonous plants:

http://www.powen.freeserve.co.uk/Ref...ison%20a-m.htm

It runs to 7 pages. ;-)


I got ahead of myself there - 7 pages is just A to M. A to Z is 12

pages!
--

Sacha
(remove the weeds to email me)



A lot of these seem to be rated 1 ie non-toxic. How many pages is it if
you exclude these?


I'll leave you to explore that. I went to Google and typed in poisonous
plants, with a UK bias, of course. And that was the answer. This means
that to some extent, all those plants are toxic in varying degrees. And the
question most people ask is "are these plants toxic?" not "will these
plants kill my children, poison the dog or merely give us a severe skin
reaction?"
The RHS Encyclopedia gives some such details but not for all plants. If
people want a garden in which they can be certain that no smallest degree of
harm can come to anyone in it, they're going to find it problematic.
I know someone who nearly died of septicaemia after pricking his finger on a
rose thorn that had been sprayed by some nasty chemical. Few people ask if
such things will endanger their lives!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
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Nick Maclaren 13-04-2004 03:40 PM

Poisonous plants
 

In article ,
Sacha writes:
|
| The RHS Encyclopedia gives some such details but not for all plants. If
| people want a garden in which they can be certain that no smallest degree of
| harm can come to anyone in it, they're going to find it problematic.
| I know someone who nearly died of septicaemia after pricking his finger on a
| rose thorn that had been sprayed by some nasty chemical. Few people ask if
| such things will endanger their lives!

I once cut my head on the corner of an ill-placed safety cabinet.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Neil Jones 13-04-2004 03:41 PM

Poisonous plants
 

"Sacha" wrote in message
o.uk...
Neil Jones13/4/04 1:02


"Sacha" wrote in message
o.uk...
Sacha12/4/04 10:11



6.fs
net.co.uk

This is an alphabetical listing of poisonous plants:


http://www.powen.freeserve.co.uk/Ref...ison%20a-m.htm

It runs to 7 pages. ;-)

I got ahead of myself there - 7 pages is just A to M. A to Z is 12

pages!
--

Sacha
(remove the weeds to email me)



A lot of these seem to be rated 1 ie non-toxic. How many pages is it

if
you exclude these?


I'll leave you to explore that.


How kind.

I went to Google and typed in poisonous
plants, with a UK bias, of course. And that was the answer. This

means
that to some extent, all those plants are toxic in varying degrees.


My point is that according to the same site, toxicity of 1 means

"1. Non-toxic: These plants are not poisonous or there is no known
record of toxicity. Exposure to these plants is not expected to cause
any symptoms "

So the "varying degrees" seem to range from potentially fatal to totally
innocuous.

And the
question most people ask is "are these plants toxic?" not "will these
plants kill my children, poison the dog or merely give us a severe

skin
reaction?"


I don't find it helpful to be told that Pachysandra terminalis is a
toxic plant, only to find that the it is rated as non-toxic. Maybe it's
just me, but if I see a list of poisonous plants, I expect them at least
to be poisonous to some degree.

The RHS Encyclopedia gives some such details but not for all plants.

If
people want a garden in which they can be certain that no smallest

degree of
harm can come to anyone in it, they're going to find it problematic.


Clearly such an expectation is misconceived.

I know someone who nearly died of septicaemia after pricking his

finger on a
rose thorn that had been sprayed by some nasty chemical. Few people

ask if
such things will endanger their lives!


So now you seem to be saying that this list is even less useful?



Sacha 13-04-2004 05:09 PM

Poisonous plants
 
Nick Maclaren13/4/04 3:20


In article ,
Sacha writes:
|
| The RHS Encyclopedia gives some such details but not for all plants. If
| people want a garden in which they can be certain that no smallest degree
of
| harm can come to anyone in it, they're going to find it problematic.
| I know someone who nearly died of septicaemia after pricking his finger on
a
| rose thorn that had been sprayed by some nasty chemical. Few people ask if
| such things will endanger their lives!

I once cut my head on the corner of an ill-placed safety cabinet.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.


Isn't it ROSPA that says 'most accidents happen in the home'? ;-)
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Sacha
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Sacha 13-04-2004 05:35 PM

Poisonous plants
 
Neil Jones13/4/04 3:25

snip

So now you seem to be saying that this list is even less useful?


No, Neil. I'm saying that the subject of poisonous plants came up in urg in
another thread and that there were varying claims as to the toxicity of
ornamental garden plants. So, out of curiosity, I did a very simple Google
search to see what would kick up. You have the result. How you use it is up
to you. If you wish to know more, then do your own Googling. If you wish
to buy a particular plant and want to know its toxicity you now have the
link for a site that might help you.

I think what you are missing here is the degree of variation possible in the
toxicity of plants depending on the size, age, general health etc. of those
afflicted by it - maybe. A 1yo child is going to have a much bigger
reaction to munching a daffodil bulb than a healthy 25 yo, and so on. Most
people are concerned about the effects upon children, IME.

For example, two days ago a customer asked me if Helleborus is toxic. New
question to me, so I looked it up in the RHS Encyclopedia and the answer was
that all parts of it may cause severe discomfort if ingested and the sap
might irritate the skin. Now - the customer got an honest answer but after
we had briefly discussed the likelihood of a 3 yo child chomping on a
Hellebore and that the description did NOT say "deadly to ankle-biters", she
decided to go ahead and buy it. Daffodil sap is toxic to some people,
Ricinus is deadly to most - there are plenty of grades in between. The
*whole point* is that it depends on what the individual means by 'toxic' -
skin rash, bellyache, vomiting, or death? Will rue just give you a nasty
skin rash or a woman an abortion if she chews the leaves?
For that reason, such a list has to be very inclusive.
Some people won't plant Oleander or Laburnum in case it poisons someone -
children are the usual worry - but few would think twice about planting
Hellebores, so clearly our customer's 'worry factor' was highly developed.
All I can say is that I don't think the RHS has reported one death from the
ingestion of poisonous plant parts in simply years. OTOH, a friend of ours
pulling out Giant Hogweed suffered horrible skin trouble for a long time but
he didn't die. IOW, for more info, explore further for your personal
need-to-know.
--

Sacha
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Janet Baraclough.. 13-04-2004 10:36 PM

Poisonous plants
 

There's an article on this topic in the current Gardener's World mag.
It says (abbreviated)

"the Horticultural Trades Association has worked in close ssociation
with the National Poisons Unit at Guy's and St Thomas Hospital Trust and
tha Royal Botanic gardens kew, to produce a list of recommended retail
practice...it includes a list of 120 potentially harmful plants...based
on medical case histories involving plants that have been identified as
being a significant hazard. The plants are divided into 3 categories of
hazard.

the full list can be obtained from the HTA tel 0118 930 8940, or at
www.gardenersworld.com."


I enjoyed "Capsicum annuum,chilli pepper..eating the fruits causes
sweating and a burning sensation".

Notta lotta people know that...

Janet




Jaques d'Alltrades 14-04-2004 04:34 AM

Poisonous plants
 
The message
from Edwin Spector contains these words:

Just how poisonous is an apple tree?


Never try to eat a whole tree all at once.

And forget-me-not, and grape hyacinth?


No idea.

Honeysuckle,


Not terribly toxic, but enough berries will make you very sick.

marigold,


Pot marigold, not at all AFAIK

peony, privet...


Dunno about paeony, but rivet berries are not good for you at all.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
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Rodger Whitlock 14-04-2004 08:03 AM

Poisonous plants
 
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:08:35 +0100, Sacha wrote:

I know someone who nearly died of septicaemia after pricking his finger on a
rose thorn that had been sprayed by some nasty chemical.


Rose thorns present a known hazard of this type. I doubt the
nasty chemical had anything to do with the resultant bacterial
infection.

Barberry thorns are even worse, however.


--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
[change "atlantic" to "pacific" and
"invalid" to "net" to reply by email]

Tim Challenger 14-04-2004 08:34 AM

Poisonous plants
 
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:16:01 +0100, Kay Easton wrote:

In article , Edwin Spector
writes
Just how poisonous is an apple tree?


ISTR the pips contain minute amounts of cyanide ;-)
Not enough to do any harm unless you were to eat them in *vast* amounts,
but they are in the same family as bitter almonds and cherry laurel.


So does clover, which we all have chewed in our childhood whilst lying on
our backs making shapes out of clouds.

--
Tim C.


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