|
How can I drain this bog?
I know it's been wet recently but for weeks water has been lying in
stagnant pools right across my lawn which is on clay soil. I don't know how thick the clay cap is but I would like to put in some DIY mini bore holes, maybe using perforated large bamboo canes, to take the surface water down at least 2 metres. Anyone had any success with something like this or any other workaround for bogs? I'm looking for a cheap and cheerful solution if possible rather than a proper and expensive soakaway. TIA. Stan |
How can I drain this bog?
In article , Stan The Man writes: | I know it's been wet recently but for weeks water has been lying in | stagnant pools right across my lawn which is on clay soil. I don't know | how thick the clay cap is but I would like to put in some DIY mini bore | holes, maybe using perforated large bamboo canes, to take the surface | water down at least 2 metres. Anyone had any success with something | like this or any other workaround for bogs? I'm looking for a cheap and | cheerful solution if possible rather than a proper and expensive | soakaway. TIA. Unless there is permeable soil below the clay, you will end up with a deep hole full of water. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
How can I drain this bog?
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Stan The Man writes: | I know it's been wet recently but for weeks water has been lying in | stagnant pools right across my lawn which is on clay soil. I don't know | how thick the clay cap is but I would like to put in some DIY mini bore | holes, maybe using perforated large bamboo canes, to take the surface | water down at least 2 metres. Anyone had any success with something | like this or any other workaround for bogs? I'm looking for a cheap and | cheerful solution if possible rather than a proper and expensive | soakaway. TIA. Unless there is permeable soil below the clay, you will end up with a deep hole full of water. .... also known as a pond. |
How can I drain this bog?
In article , "Neil Jones" writes: | "Nick Maclaren" wrote in message | ... | | In article , | Stan The Man writes: | | I know it's been wet recently but for weeks water has been lying in | | stagnant pools right across my lawn which is on clay soil. I don't | know | | how thick the clay cap is but I would like to put in some DIY mini | bore | | holes, maybe using perforated large bamboo canes, to take the | surface | | water down at least 2 metres. Anyone had any success with something | | like this or any other workaround for bogs? I'm looking for a cheap | and | | cheerful solution if possible rather than a proper and expensive | | soakaway. TIA. | | Unless there is permeable soil below the clay, you will end up with | a deep hole full of water. | | ... also known as a pond. 10 cm wide and 2 m deep is an unusual pond .... Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
How can I drain this bog?
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , "Neil Jones" writes: | "Nick Maclaren" wrote in message | ... | | In article , | Stan The Man writes: | | I know it's been wet recently but for weeks water has been lying in | | stagnant pools right across my lawn which is on clay soil. I don't | know | | how thick the clay cap is but I would like to put in some DIY mini | bore | | holes, maybe using perforated large bamboo canes, to take the | surface | | water down at least 2 metres. Anyone had any success with something | | like this or any other workaround for bogs? I'm looking for a cheap | and | | cheerful solution if possible rather than a proper and expensive | | soakaway. TIA. | | Unless there is permeable soil below the clay, you will end up with | a deep hole full of water. | | ... also known as a pond. 10 cm wide and 2 m deep is an unusual pond .... No need to stick with convention :-) |
How can I drain this bog?
"Stan The Man" wrote in message ... I know it's been wet recently but for weeks water has been lying in stagnant pools right across my lawn which is on clay soil. I don't know how thick the clay cap is but I would like to put in some DIY mini bore holes, maybe using perforated large bamboo canes, to take the surface water down at least 2 metres. Anyone had any success with something like this or any other workaround for bogs? I'm looking for a cheap and cheerful solution if possible rather than a proper and expensive soakaway. TIA. Stan Could not 'go with the flow' and make a bog garden instead? Jenny |
How can I drain this bog?
"Jane Ransom" wrote in message Do what has been suggested and turn it into a bog garden. We were down near Gloucester last year and saw a garden with a 'sunken' bog garden. It was wonderful. A large irregular hole in the ground with a peninsular out into it on which were a table and chairs. The edges were vertical and walled and there were steps down into it. The bottom was filled with various tall bog plants so that you just saw the flowers peeping up over the top. It was wonderful - I want one as well :)))))))) -- That sounds wonderful, was it a private garden Jane or open to the public? If so do you remember the name/whereabouts? -- Regards Bob Use a useful Screen Saver... http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ and find intelligent life amongst the stars |
How can I drain this bog?
"Stan The Man" wrote in message ... I know it's been wet recently but for weeks water has been lying in stagnant pools right across my lawn which is on clay soil. I don't know how thick the clay cap is but I would like to put in some DIY mini bore holes, maybe using perforated large bamboo canes, to take the surface water down at least 2 metres. Anyone had any success with something like this or any other workaround for bogs? I'm looking for a cheap and cheerful solution if possible rather than a proper and expensive soakaway. TIA. Stan Stan I don't know if this wet area is near a road, but if it is, I would talk to the BT Telephone Engineers with the lorry with the screw auger on it they use for drilling a Pole hole, technical jargon, "A Pole Erection Unit". A nice 'cuppa etc' and they could bore you a hole down to at least 3 metres. If you 'still' have clay at that depth, the only thing I can come up with is to go with it and make a bog garden, UNLESS, there is a way of channelling it out to a lower level which some one else has suggested. 'Drill and soak' or 'channel away' Mike -- Royal Naval Reunion Eastbourne May 7th - 10th H.M.S.Collingwood Association Reunion Bracklesham Bay May 21st - 24th Nat.Service (RAF) Assoc. Cosford Parade / Social Weekend 25th - 28th June British Pacific Fleet Reunion Birmingham September 17th - 20th |
How can I drain this bog?
|
How can I drain this bog?
Stan The Man5/5/04 12:51
I know it's been wet recently but for weeks water has been lying in stagnant pools right across my lawn which is on clay soil. I don't know how thick the clay cap is but I would like to put in some DIY mini bore holes, maybe using perforated large bamboo canes, to take the surface water down at least 2 metres. Anyone had any success with something like this or any other workaround for bogs? I'm looking for a cheap and cheerful solution if possible rather than a proper and expensive soakaway. TIA. Stan If it's boggy all year, I agree with the bog garden suggestion but, if like our lawn it eventually dries out, the bog garden is going to be a damned nuisance to keep boggy. ;-) Otherwise I wonder if Cormaic could help with the drainage queries. www.pavingexpert.com -- Sacha (remove the weeds to email me) |
How can I drain this bog?
In article , Sacha
wrote: Stan The Man5/5/04 12:51 I know it's been wet recently but for weeks water has been lying in stagnant pools right across my lawn which is on clay soil. I don't know how thick the clay cap is but I would like to put in some DIY mini bore holes, maybe using perforated large bamboo canes, to take the surface water down at least 2 metres. Anyone had any success with something like this or any other workaround for bogs? I'm looking for a cheap and cheerful solution if possible rather than a proper and expensive soakaway. TIA. Stan If it's boggy all year, I agree with the bog garden suggestion but, if like our lawn it eventually dries out, the bog garden is going to be a damned nuisance to keep boggy. ;-) Otherwise I wonder if Cormaic could help with the drainage queries. www.pavingexpert.com Thanks. I have discussed a related problem (septic tank soakaway) there and got lots of sympathy but no affordable answers. And yes, the lawn does dry out and will probably stay dry from June to Feb. Stan |
How can I drain this bog?
On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:51:52 +0100, Stan The Man
wrote: I know it's been wet recently but for weeks water has been lying in stagnant pools right across my lawn which is on clay soil. I don't know how thick the clay cap is but I would like to put in some DIY mini bore holes, maybe using perforated large bamboo canes, to take the surface water down at least 2 metres. Anyone had any success with something like this or any other workaround for bogs? I'm looking for a cheap and cheerful solution if possible rather than a proper and expensive soakaway. TIA. Stan Try to get a look at a surface geology map of your area. You should get an idea of the depth of your clay. If like us you've got several metres of boulder clay, then you've probably got the makings of a bog garden or pond. Rod Weed my email address to reply http://website.lineone.net/~rodcraddock/index.html |
How can I drain this bog?
"Jane Ransom" wrote in message ... In article , Stan The Man Do what has been suggested and turn it into a bog garden. We were down near Gloucester last year and saw a garden with a 'sunken' bog garden. It was wonderful. A large irregular hole in the ground with a peninsular out into it on which were a table and chairs. The edges were vertical and walled and there were steps down into it. The bottom was filled with various tall bog plants so that you just saw the flowers peeping up over the top. It was wonderful - I want one as well :)))))))) You are so right! The most impressive part of Middleton (formerly National Botanic Fiasco of Wales) is the bog garden. It is luscious all year round and absolutely buzzing with all kinds of wildlife. I could sit there all day and never stop finding something new and fascinating to look at. |
How can I drain this bog?
Stan The Man5/5/04 5:37
In article , Sacha wrote: Stan The Man5/5/04 12:51 I know it's been wet recently but for weeks water has been lying in stagnant pools right across my lawn which is on clay soil. I don't know how thick the clay cap is but I would like to put in some DIY mini bore holes, maybe using perforated large bamboo canes, to take the surface water down at least 2 metres. Anyone had any success with something like this or any other workaround for bogs? I'm looking for a cheap and cheerful solution if possible rather than a proper and expensive soakaway. TIA. Stan If it's boggy all year, I agree with the bog garden suggestion but, if like our lawn it eventually dries out, the bog garden is going to be a damned nuisance to keep boggy. ;-) Otherwise I wonder if Cormaic could help with the drainage queries. www.pavingexpert.com Thanks. I have discussed a related problem (septic tank soakaway) there and got lots of sympathy but no affordable answers. And yes, the lawn does dry out and will probably stay dry from June to Feb. Stan This sounds very like our biggest lawn. At times in winter we just have to stay off it. We don't get a bog exactly but we do leave great huge sliddy footprints where we walk on it and the water squelches up round our boots as if we'd trampled on an over soaked sponge. Later in the year and in prolonged dry weather, we can have fissures deep enough to plunge your arm into up to the shoulder. I don't know the size of your garden but given that the worst of the wet seems to be when most of us don't spend a lot of time outside, can you simply let it be? I mean, can you just ignore it and avoid it in the wettest months? It is beginning to sound to me as if this might not be something worth tackling if it's just a brief seasonal problem, as long as it doesn't prevent you venturing out of the house, of course! -- Sacha (remove the weeds to email me) |
How can I drain this bog?
In article , Rod
wrote: On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:51:52 +0100, Stan The Man wrote: I know it's been wet recently but for weeks water has been lying in stagnant pools right across my lawn which is on clay soil. I don't know how thick the clay cap is but I would like to put in some DIY mini bore holes, maybe using perforated large bamboo canes, to take the surface water down at least 2 metres. Anyone had any success with something like this or any other workaround for bogs? I'm looking for a cheap and cheerful solution if possible rather than a proper and expensive soakaway. TIA. Stan Try to get a look at a surface geology map of your area. You should get an idea of the depth of your clay. If like us you've got several metres of boulder clay, then you've probably got the makings of a bog garden or pond. Rod I've been looking all over the net for such a map. Do you know where I might find one? Stan |
How can I drain this bog?
In article , Sacha
wrote: Stan The Man5/5/04 5:37 In article , Sacha wrote: Stan The Man5/5/04 12:51 I know it's been wet recently but for weeks water has been lying in stagnant pools right across my lawn which is on clay soil. I don't know how thick the clay cap is but I would like to put in some DIY mini bore holes, maybe using perforated large bamboo canes, to take the surface water down at least 2 metres. Anyone had any success with something like this or any other workaround for bogs? I'm looking for a cheap and cheerful solution if possible rather than a proper and expensive soakaway. TIA. Stan If it's boggy all year, I agree with the bog garden suggestion but, if like our lawn it eventually dries out, the bog garden is going to be a damned nuisance to keep boggy. ;-) Otherwise I wonder if Cormaic could help with the drainage queries. www.pavingexpert.com Thanks. I have discussed a related problem (septic tank soakaway) there and got lots of sympathy but no affordable answers. And yes, the lawn does dry out and will probably stay dry from June to Feb. Stan This sounds very like our biggest lawn. At times in winter we just have to stay off it. We don't get a bog exactly but we do leave great huge sliddy footprints where we walk on it and the water squelches up round our boots as if we'd trampled on an over soaked sponge. Later in the year and in prolonged dry weather, we can have fissures deep enough to plunge your arm into up to the shoulder. I don't know the size of your garden but given that the worst of the wet seems to be when most of us don't spend a lot of time outside, can you simply let it be? I mean, can you just ignore it and avoid it in the wettest months? It is beginning to sound to me as if this might not be something worth tackling if it's just a brief seasonal problem, as long as it doesn't prevent you venturing out of the house, of course! I would be more than happy to ignore it if it were not accompanied by a malfunctioning septic tank soakaway. If "grey" water isn't being absorbed into the ground it could present a hazard so I need to fix it one way or another -- and thought I might also try to fix the worst-draining sections of the lawn at the same time. Another problem is that the grass in the boggy areas of the lawn is growing at 100mph at this time of year and I can't cut it until I can get a machine over the surface. I tried strimming and the mess was intolerable - something like the fan blades of an Everglades hovercraft. Stan |
How can I drain this bog?
Stan The Man5/5/04 11:09
snip I would be more than happy to ignore it if it were not accompanied by a malfunctioning septic tank soakaway. If "grey" water isn't being absorbed into the ground it could present a hazard so I need to fix it one way or another -- and thought I might also try to fix the worst-draining sections of the lawn at the same time. Another problem is that the grass in the boggy areas of the lawn is growing at 100mph at this time of year and I can't cut it until I can get a machine over the surface. I tried strimming and the mess was intolerable - something like the fan blades of an Everglades hovercraft. Stan Hate to say this, Stan but given the combined problems, I think you're looking at a new septic tank/soakaway. I have no expert knowledge at all but I would suggest not messing about with this too long because Environmental Health can slap orders on you. Again - just my guess but I'd be concerned that anything you do that doesn't deal with the problem in a radical way will lead you to spend more money later along the line and even involve you (perhaps) in legal issues with regard to polluting water courses etc. -- Sacha (remove the weeds to email me) |
How can I drain this bog?
In article , Sacha
wrote: Stan The Man5/5/04 11:09 snip I would be more than happy to ignore it if it were not accompanied by a malfunctioning septic tank soakaway. If "grey" water isn't being absorbed into the ground it could present a hazard so I need to fix it one way or another -- and thought I might also try to fix the worst-draining sections of the lawn at the same time. Another problem is that the grass in the boggy areas of the lawn is growing at 100mph at this time of year and I can't cut it until I can get a machine over the surface. I tried strimming and the mess was intolerable - something like the fan blades of an Everglades hovercraft. Stan Hate to say this, Stan but given the combined problems, I think you're looking at a new septic tank/soakaway. I have no expert knowledge at all but I would suggest not messing about with this too long because Environmental Health can slap orders on you. Again - just my guess but I'd be concerned that anything you do that doesn't deal with the problem in a radical way will lead you to spend more money later along the line and even involve you (perhaps) in legal issues with regard to polluting water courses etc. I bought this property 6 months ago and have already spent £1500 on bringing the septic tank up to perfect working order. The problem is not the tank itself but the soakaway, which I can't see and know nothing about. Nor do I know how deep the clay cap is - although I will be getting a test trench dug shortly to find out. If, as I suspect, the clay is 3m thick, then no soakaway should ever have been built on top of it - and no new soakaway is going to work for very long either, unless I can perhaps combine it with an industrial bore hole to take the grey water down below the clay cap. The only other alternative I have been offered is a new private sewage plant costing well into 5 figures... which I simply don't have. Methinks there should be Govt Grants for this kind of thing. Stan |
How can I drain this bog?
"Stan The Man" wrote in message
... In article , Rod wrote: Try to get a look at a surface geology map of your area. You should get an idea of the depth of your clay. If like us you've got several metres of boulder clay, then you've probably got the makings of a bog garden or pond. Rod I've been looking all over the net for such a map. Do you know where I might find one? http://www.geopubs.co.uk/section2/bgs.html#geological -- Nick Wagg |
How can I drain this bog?
In article , Nick Wagg
wrote: "Stan The Man" wrote in message ... In article , Rod wrote: Try to get a look at a surface geology map of your area. You should get an idea of the depth of your clay. If like us you've got several metres of boulder clay, then you've probably got the makings of a bog garden or pond. Rod I've been looking all over the net for such a map. Do you know where I might find one? http://www.geopubs.co.uk/section2/bgs.html#geological Thanks for this. I don't think these maps will do it. Like most of the maps I have found so far, they give lots of plan information but little or no sectional information except for the big, deep layers of rock or whatever. The top 10 metres or so doesn't rate a mention. And at approx 1in per mile, I would have difficulty pin-pointing my property in an area which is right on the borders of adjoining clay, chalk, gravel and Reading beds deposits. Stan |
How can I drain this bog?
"Stan The Man" wrote in message ... In article , Nick Wagg wrote: Thanks for this. I don't think these maps will do it. Like most of the maps I have found so far, they give lots of plan information but little or no sectional information except for the big, deep layers of rock or whatever. The top 10 metres or so doesn't rate a mention. And at approx 1in per mile, I would have difficulty pin-pointing my property in an area which is right on the borders of adjoining clay, chalk, gravel and Reading beds deposits. Stan Have you had a look at what the British Geological Survey (http://www.bgs.ac.uk) has to offer? Some of the more comprehensive reports are quite expensive, but in the context of your problem, may be worth getting hold of. As far as free information goes, I have found the 'Geology of Brtain' (http://www.bgs.ac.uk/magazine/geology/home.html) interactive map quite interesting. Neil |
How can I drain this bog?
On Thu, 06 May 2004 13:35:12 +0100, Stan The Man
wrote: In article , Nick Wagg wrote: "Stan The Man" wrote in message ... In article , Rod wrote: Try to get a look at a surface geology map of your area. You should get an idea of the depth of your clay. If like us you've got several metres of boulder clay, then you've probably got the makings of a bog garden or pond. Rod I've been looking all over the net for such a map. Do you know where I might find one? http://www.geopubs.co.uk/section2/bgs.html#geological Thanks for this. I don't think these maps will do it. Like most of the maps I have found so far, they give lots of plan information but little or no sectional information except for the big, deep layers of rock or whatever. The top 10 metres or so doesn't rate a mention. And at approx 1in per mile, I would have difficulty pin-pointing my property in an area which is right on the borders of adjoining clay, chalk, gravel and Reading beds deposits. What does www.undermystreet.co.uk say? |
How can I drain this bog?
On Thu, 06 May 2004 17:05:37 +0200, martin wrote:
On Thu, 06 May 2004 13:35:12 +0100, Stan The Man wrote: I've been looking all over the net for such a map. Do you know where I might find one? http://www.geopubs.co.uk/section2/bgs.html#geological Thanks for this. I don't think these maps will do it. Like most of the maps I have found so far, they give lots of plan information but little or no sectional information except for the big, deep layers of rock or whatever. The top 10 metres or so doesn't rate a mention. And at approx 1in per mile, I would have difficulty pin-pointing my property in an area which is right on the borders of adjoining clay, chalk, gravel and Reading beds deposits. What does www.undermystreet.co.uk say? whoops sorry! It doesn't exist anymore. |
How can I drain this bog?
In article , Neil Jones
wrote: "Stan The Man" wrote in message ... In article , Nick Wagg wrote: Thanks for this. I don't think these maps will do it. Like most of the maps I have found so far, they give lots of plan information but little or no sectional information except for the big, deep layers of rock or whatever. The top 10 metres or so doesn't rate a mention. And at approx 1in per mile, I would have difficulty pin-pointing my property in an area which is right on the borders of adjoining clay, chalk, gravel and Reading beds deposits. Stan Have you had a look at what the British Geological Survey (http://www.bgs.ac.uk) has to offer? Some of the more comprehensive reports are quite expensive, but in the context of your problem, may be worth getting hold of. Yes, I have already ordered one on the advice of the saleslady but I'm ready to be disappointed by it. As far as free information goes, I have found the 'Geology of Brtain' (http://www.bgs.ac.uk/magazine/geology/home.html) interactive map quite interesting. Unfortnately the Java on that site doesn't seem to work too well with Apple's favour of Java so I can't get as far as I would like - probably I need to pay a visit to the Natural History Museum instead. Neil Simon |
How can I drain this bog?
On Thu, 06 May 2004 23:38:41 +0100, Stan The Man
wrote: In article , Neil Jones wrote: "Stan The Man" wrote in message ... In article , Nick Wagg wrote: Thanks for this. I don't think these maps will do it. Like most of the maps I have found so far, they give lots of plan information but little or no sectional information except for the big, deep layers of rock or whatever. The top 10 metres or so doesn't rate a mention. And at approx 1in per mile, I would have difficulty pin-pointing my property in an area which is right on the borders of adjoining clay, chalk, gravel and Reading beds deposits. Stan Have you had a look at what the British Geological Survey (http://www.bgs.ac.uk) has to offer? Some of the more comprehensive reports are quite expensive, but in the context of your problem, may be worth getting hold of. Yes, I have already ordered one on the advice of the saleslady but I'm ready to be disappointed by it. As far as free information goes, I have found the 'Geology of Brtain' (http://www.bgs.ac.uk/magazine/geology/home.html) interactive map quite interesting. Unfortnately the Java on that site doesn't seem to work too well with Apple's favour of Java so I can't get as far as I would like It doesn't have sufficient resolution and is not fantastic. I entered locations well known for fossils on the N Yorks coastline and it knew nothing of them. - probably I need to pay a visit to the Natural History Museum instead. Java man is in the Dutch National Natural History Museum in Leiden :-) |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:01 AM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
GardenBanter