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Lelandi problem (sort of!)
Wonder if anyone can help me here.
My next door neighbour moved in last year after the previous neighbour was evicted for various tenancy breaches. Just before the previous neighbour left, they planted what I can only imagine to be a leylandi shrub. That was last July, and now the shrub / tree is over 8 foot tall. Whilst the neighbour is fine, he doesn't want to cut the shrub (he reckons it looks spectacular!) and it looks like by the end of this summer it will be dwarfing our 4 foot fence by some considerable height! Apart from looking unsightly, the actual shrub / tree (what can you call it!) is no real problem BUT it's right next to where one of my washing lines are so any strong winds and the sheets get a good battering! I've stopped putting the washing there before anyone asks, but the branches are well and truly growing into my garden. My question is: without chopping the stem of his shrub, would it be illegal for me to chop the branches that are growing into my garden? For a start he wouldn't even notice I'd done this but I wonder if anything over my fence is "my property" And can anyone guess how tall this monster is going to grow (and can anyone guess what it might be?). Fortunately, as it grows taller the actual middle part is thickening so it's losing it's ability to reach my second washing line... I do worry about my fence though, will the branches at the bottom end (ie up to 4 foot) start to push tightly against the fence? I'd like to actually cut the thing in half but that's a no-go ;) As I say, it's no real problem, apart from it needs a good cutting but what about the bits that are now working their way into my garden? Cheers Robbie |
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"Robbie" wrote in message om... And can anyone guess how tall this monster is going to grow If it is C. Leylandii then depending on conditions it could grow to 70-80 feet. At about 3-4 feet a year. If the bleedin' monster in my garden is anything to go by. We've got a 10ft leylandii partway down the garden (which was about 20 ft until the weekend before last) and three of them right at the bottom of the garden which are about 50 ft - but since they shield us from a railway line I'm happy about keeping them. Another consideration is the roots the thing will be putting out - if it's next to your fence then the roots will extend under the fence and into your garden. |
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Philip11/5/04 9:08
(Robbie) wrote in message . com... Wonder if anyone can help me here. My next door neighbour moved in last year after the previous neighbour was evicted for various tenancy breaches. Just before the previous neighbour left, they planted what I can only imagine to be a leylandi shrub. That was last July, and now the shrub / tree is over 8 foot tall. Whilst the neighbour is fine, he doesn't want to cut the shrub (he reckons it looks spectacular!) and it looks like by the end of this summer it will be dwarfing our 4 foot fence by some considerable height! snip You might want to post this to uk.legal, or even just do a search on uk.legal because like the Elvis Costello sang some years ago "theres no such thing as an original sin". From memory I think you are allowed to cut off branches which over-hang your property, but you must be prepared to give them to your neighbour as they are his. I thought legislation had recently been brought in to restrict such high growing trees. Leylandii can go to 100' tall and heaven only knows what width. They should never be planted in small gardens, or even medium sized gardens, unless the owner plans to severely restrict their growth. -- Sacha (remove the weeds to email me) |
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"Sacha" wrote in message . uk... I thought legislation had recently been brought in to restrict such high growing trees. I was under that impression too - father-in-law is in despute with the family of his late neighbour about the height of a variety of trees in the next-door jungle. Deffo one for uk.legal + google. |
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"Robbie" wrote in message om... Wonder if anyone can help me here. My next door neighbour moved in last year after the previous neighbour was evicted for various tenancy breaches. Just before the previous neighbour left, they planted what I can only imagine to be a leylandi shrub. That was last July, and now the shrub / tree is over 8 foot tall. Whilst the neighbour is fine, he doesn't want to cut the shrub (he reckons it looks spectacular!) and it looks like by the end of this summer it will be dwarfing our 4 foot fence by some considerable height! Apart from looking unsightly, the actual shrub / tree (what can you call it!) is no real problem BUT it's right next to where one of my washing lines are so any strong winds and the sheets get a good battering! I've stopped putting the washing there before anyone asks, but the branches are well and truly growing into my garden. My question is: without chopping the stem of his shrub, would it be illegal for me to chop the branches that are growing into my garden? For a start he wouldn't even notice I'd done this but I wonder if anything over my fence is "my property" And can anyone guess how tall this monster is going to grow (and can anyone guess what it might be?). Fortunately, as it grows taller the actual middle part is thickening so it's losing it's ability to reach my second washing line... I do worry about my fence though, will the branches at the bottom end (ie up to 4 foot) start to push tightly against the fence? I'd like to actually cut the thing in half but that's a no-go ;) As I say, it's no real problem, apart from it needs a good cutting but what about the bits that are now working their way into my garden? Cheers Robbie You are well within your rights to cut back roots and branches right back to the boundary Technically you cannot cut behind the fence as this would be trespass .........but if its your fence you can remove the panel cut back to the boundary and replace the panel Best bet is to dig the boundary ......cut off the roots and slam in old paving slabs on their sides to block furthur root encroachment If you cut branches back beyond the growing point they will not regrow .........so you will have bare sticks but thats better than the constant growth of leylandi monsters look at www.hedgeline.org for more info on high hedge law which might frighten your neighbour into cutting the monster it will be in a very short space of time |
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Sacha wrote in
. uk: (Robbie) wrote in message . com... they planted what I can only imagine to be a leylandi shrub. That was last July, and now the shrub / tree is over 8 foot tall. Whilst the neighbour is fine, he doesn't want to cut the shrub (he reckons it looks spectacular!) and it looks like by the end of this summer it will be dwarfing our 4 foot fence by some considerable height! I thought legislation had recently been brought in to restrict such high growing trees. Leylandii can go to 100' tall and heaven only knows what width. They should never be planted in small gardens, or even medium sized gardens, unless the owner plans to severely restrict their growth. I think the legislation is on hedges, not individual trees. My neighbours' neighbours (if you see what I mean) have 3 very large ones, (and a hedge too!). The hedge is kept down to a reasonable height, but the three big trees cut out a lot of light from the surrounding gardens (luckily not mine!) The owners are now moving, and the one question everyone wants to ask the new owners is 'Please, please, can we get rid of those trees?' Assuming Robbie's planning to stay in his house long-term, I think he might want to take his new neighbour out for a drink, then take him to a garden centre and buy him something else as a replacement, and help him take down the old tree (to be sure it happens!). Well worth the money & time to have a garden not permanently shaded by the Tree of Doom. Victoria -- gardening on a north-facing hill in South-East Cornwall -- |
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"nambucca" wrote in message
... Just before the previous neighbour left, they planted what I can only imagine to be a leylandi shrub. That was last July, and now the shrub / tree is over 8 foot tall. Whilst the neighbour is fine, he doesn't want to cut the shrub (he reckons it looks spectacular!) and it looks like by the end of this summer it will be dwarfing our 4 foot fence by some considerable height! You are well within your rights to cut back roots and branches right back to the boundary But, AFAIK, if you cut back the roots or branches which results in damage to your neighbour's trees, then you're liable for that damage. Also, I believe the new "anti-social" legislation says that an evergreen hedge (defined as 3 or more trees in a row) cannot be higher than 2 metres, however, I don't know if that applies to evergreen hedges that are already in existance. I believe that you're entitled to cut back any branches that overhang your property and you're supposed to "offer" the branches back to the tree's owner (but the owner doesn't have to accept them). |
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In article , Sacha
writes Philip11/5/04 9:08 (Robbie) wrote in message . com... Wonder if anyone can help me here. My next door neighbour moved in last year after the previous neighbour was evicted for various tenancy breaches. Just before the previous neighbour left, they planted what I can only imagine to be a leylandi shrub. That was last July, and now the shrub / tree is over 8 foot tall. Whilst the neighbour is fine, he doesn't want to cut the shrub (he reckons it looks spectacular!) and it looks like by the end of this summer it will be dwarfing our 4 foot fence by some considerable height! snip You might want to post this to uk.legal, or even just do a search on uk.legal because like the Elvis Costello sang some years ago "theres no such thing as an original sin". From memory I think you are allowed to cut off branches which over-hang your property, but you must be prepared to give them to your neighbour as they are his. I thought legislation had recently been brought in to restrict such high growing trees. Leylandii can go to 100' tall and heaven only knows what width. They should never be planted in small gardens, or even medium sized gardens, unless the owner plans to severely restrict their growth. Isn't that only for hedges though Sacha? which is why its called the high hedges bill. I'm not sure if this will be a Leylandii though, the impression is that this has grown a lot since last July, not the normal behaviour of a newly planted Leylandii as I know from trying to infill with them. -- David |
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11/5/04 11:28
snip Isn't that only for hedges though Sacha? which is why its called the high hedges bill. I'm not sure if this will be a Leylandii though, the impression is that this has grown a lot since last July, not the normal behaviour of a newly planted Leylandii as I know from trying to infill with them. You may be right with regard to hedges - if so, there's a glaring loophole right away. Even one monster tree can overshadow a neighbour's garden badly. I'm not sure why you think it's not a leylandii - you mean it's grown too fast? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
Lelandi problem (sort of!)
"Robbie" wrote in message om... Wonder if anyone can help me here. My next door neighbour moved in last year after the previous neighbour was evicted for various tenancy breaches. Just before the previous neighbour left, they planted what I can only imagine to be a leylandi shrub. That was last July, and now the shrub / tree is over 8 foot tall. Whilst the neighbour is fine, he doesn't want to cut the shrub (he reckons it looks spectacular!) and it looks like by the end of this summer it will be dwarfing our 4 foot fence by some considerable height! Apart from looking unsightly, the actual shrub / tree (what can you call it!) is no real problem BUT it's right next to where one of my washing lines are so any strong winds and the sheets get a good battering! I've stopped putting the washing there before anyone asks, but the branches are well and truly growing into my garden. My question is: without chopping the stem of his shrub, would it be illegal for me to chop the branches that are growing into my garden? For a start he wouldn't even notice I'd done this but I wonder if anything over my fence is "my property" And can anyone guess how tall this monster is going to grow (and can anyone guess what it might be?). Fortunately, as it grows taller the actual middle part is thickening so it's losing it's ability to reach my second washing line... I do worry about my fence though, will the branches at the bottom end (ie up to 4 foot) start to push tightly against the fence? I'd like to actually cut the thing in half but that's a no-go ;) As I say, it's no real problem, apart from it needs a good cutting but what about the bits that are now working their way into my garden? My understanding is that any branches overhanging into your garden may be shortened with impunity right up to the fence. But you have to offer the pruned material to the neighbour, as they are his property. It is said that one way of dealing with the problem, if one can reach the stem surreptitiously, is to drill a half inch hole into it to a depth of about an inch. Pack the hole with sodium chlorate and cover the wound, disguising its presence as best one can. This is, of course, quite illegal and should not be attempted, but it is nevertheless said to do the trick. Franz |
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In article , Sacha
writes /5/04 11:28 +JA6qKoAFwbc@c hapelhouse.demon.co.uk snip Isn't that only for hedges though Sacha? which is why its called the high hedges bill. I'm not sure if this will be a Leylandii though, the impression is that this has grown a lot since last July, not the normal behaviour of a newly planted Leylandii as I know from trying to infill with them. You may be right with regard to hedges - if so, there's a glaring loophole right away. Even one monster tree can overshadow a neighbour's garden badly. I'm not sure why you think it's not a leylandii - you mean it's grown too fast? Am I the only person who likes trees in towns? It's OK for you country dwellers with your huge or isolated gardens, but however much any of us would like to live in the country, the majority of jobs are in the towns, and so most of us live in towns. And towns can so easily be walls, roofs, walls and more walls, with no greenery above eye level. Next door to us is a church car park, which at one time was surrounded by mature flowering cherries - but old age helped by severe pruning has disposed of them. Opposite is a park edged with mature horse chestnuts - a picture during flowering season, and a haven for bird life - but local tree-hater is campaigning for them to be felled and replaced by a traffic roundabout. I would not like to see a situation where plants in towns are limited to 2 metres, the view from one's back window is an uncluttered panorama of other people's back windows as far as the eye can see, wildlife is decreased dramatically, and people who want to see any form of nature or greenery head out to the countryside in their cars. (OK - I'm not arguing for beech trees in back gardens, but if we were to get to a situation where you were not allowed to grow anything that would cast shade on a neighbour's garden is IMO taking things a little too far, with a detriment to the urban environment as a whole). Oh, and Sacha - I'm not having a go at you - your post was just a convenient hook for a frustration that's been welling up in me all through this thread. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article k31oc.271$wB.111@newsfe1-win, Joanne
writes "nambucca" wrote in message ... Just before the previous neighbour left, they planted what I can only imagine to be a leylandi shrub. That was last July, and now the shrub / tree is over 8 foot tall. Whilst the neighbour is fine, he doesn't want to cut the shrub (he reckons it looks spectacular!) and it looks like by the end of this summer it will be dwarfing our 4 foot fence by some considerable height! You are well within your rights to cut back roots and branches right back to the boundary But, AFAIK, if you cut back the roots or branches which results in damage to your neighbour's trees, then you're liable for that damage. Also, I believe the new "anti-social" legislation says that an evergreen hedge (defined as 3 or more trees in a row) cannot be higher than 2 metres, however, I don't know if that applies to evergreen hedges that are already in existance. I believe that you're entitled to cut back any branches that overhang your property and you're supposed to "offer" the branches back to the tree's owner (but the owner doesn't have to accept them). I think you're right Joanne, as well as damage to the tree itself the previous poster is irresponsible for suggesting a course of action that could well cause it to become unstable and then you run the risk of being sued for any damage caused -- David |
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Kay Easton wrote in
: Am I the only person who likes trees in towns? It's OK for you country dwellers with your huge or isolated gardens, but however much any of us would like to live in the country, the majority of jobs are in the towns, and so most of us live in towns. And towns can so easily be walls, roofs, walls and more walls, with no greenery above eye level. You are quite right - and town trees should be grown and kept, even if at some inconvenience. But I do think evergreens are often particularly hated because they cut out the light so completely, and all year round. I was thinking a nice ornamental crabapple instead might be just the job ? (To balance my earlier leylandii tale, we have a big holly right on the south border of our north-sloping garden, but it's so nice I have no desire to get rid of it. And an old oak that could be said by a philistine to block our view at the front - but I'm very fond of it). Victoria |
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In article , Sacha
writes /5/04 11:28 +JA6qKoAFwbc@c hapelhouse.demon.co.uk snip Isn't that only for hedges though Sacha? which is why its called the high hedges bill. I'm not sure if this will be a Leylandii though, the impression is that this has grown a lot since last July, not the normal behaviour of a newly planted Leylandii as I know from trying to infill with them. You may be right with regard to hedges - if so, there's a glaring loophole right away. Even one monster tree can overshadow a neighbour's garden badly. I'm not sure why you think it's not a leylandii - you mean it's grown too fast? Yes exactly, small ones certainly are very slow for 18mths to 2yrs and then they grow like you would expect them to, the medium size specimens I have put in have also been very sluggish for the first year or two. -- David |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 14:07:17 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: It is said that one way of dealing with the problem, if one can reach the stem surreptitiously, is to drill a half inch hole into it to a depth of about an inch. Pack the hole with sodium chlorate and cover the wound, disguising its presence as best one can. This is, of course, quite illegal and should not be attempted, but it is nevertheless said to do the trick. Franz Many years ago, an acquaintance of mine had a similar problem. Said acquaintance got a long bamboo, a similar length of old hose pipe, a funnel to fit said hose pipe, and a gallon or so of sodium chlorate solution. Late one dark night, the bamboo, complete with hose tied to it, was passed through the fence, and the sodium chlorate solution silently applied to the root area of offending small tree, which mysteriously expired over the next few weeks. Totally illegal of course..... (don't forget to wash out the hose pipe afterwards) -- Chris E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net |
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"Matt Barton" wrote in message
... "Robbie" wrote in message om... And can anyone guess how tall this monster is going to grow If it is C. Leylandii then depending on conditions it could grow to 70-80 feet. At about 3-4 feet a year. If the bleedin' monster in my garden is anything to go by. We've got a 10ft leylandii partway down the garden (which was about 20 ft until the weekend before last) and three of them right at the bottom of the garden which are about 50 ft - but since they shield us from a railway line I'm happy about keeping them. Another consideration is the roots the thing will be putting out - if it's next to your fence then the roots will extend under the fence and into your garden. Just out of interest, we have a row of the yellowish coloured Leylandii (not sure what type) in our front garden. I planted them when they were 4 footers about 2 years ago and they are only about 5/6.5 feet now, so I don't know about them been fast growers as people say they are. The reason I planted them was because of the supposedly fast growth, as we wanted privacy from the main road. Oh well. -- Bob H Leeds UK |
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No, I know you're not and I do take your very good point. But leylandii are not suitable trees for those purposes. I can't see any problem with people growing smallish specimen trees in city gardens and deriving and giving great pleasure when planting them. I suppose it depends on the definition of smallish. I like the roofline to be broken up, which means in our area something like 20-30ft. Luckily I have a church car park on one side, a public park to the north, shade loving neighbours (with a grove of birch, and beyond them neighbours with full grown horse chestnuts) to the W, so the only neighbours who might be bothered are on the S, and what's shading their garden is their own house! My brother and his wife live in Wandsworth and have a row of (IIRC) poplar trees at the bottom of their garden which have had to be severely pollarded and trimmed but which do, at least in summer, shield them from the neighbours at the bottom of their very small garden. grin There was a row of those down our road in Sevenoaks - when I woke up after the '87 storm, I looked out to see my car parked outside, with a poplar neatly across the road just behind the rear bumper, and another neatly just in front of the front bumper. And as daylight drew, I realised this sequence - poplar, car, poplar, car - was repeated all the way down the road in both directions. At that point I realised I *wasn't* going to get to work that day. Rhododendrons aren't trees, neither are Camellias but they can grow pretty big and are evergreen AND can be clipped to the required size AND have lovely flowers. And they can take up the whole width of your garden! Whereas a tree is a bush-on-a-stalk and you can still do things underneath ;-) Don't forget, the last house I lived in (the one you came to) had rather a small garden In Leeds that would have been advertised as a large garden! Even in the suburbs. but someone had planted a potentially huge blue cedar in it because they addmired the one in next door's MUCH bigger garden. I had the horrible job of cutting down this lovely, still young tree because if I'd left it to mature, nobody could have got in or out of the front door. Yep. My mother used to plants deodar cedars then chop them down when they reached 6in dia trunk and start again. There will come the time when we have to fell our Araucaria, but for the moment it's giving us a lot of pleasure. We don't of course have any legal rights to sunshine in our gardens, and if it's a building that's stopping the sun, there's not a thing we can do. And IMO the Planning authorities are remarkably unconvinced by any argument that a proposed building will shade your garden - though personally I'd much prefer to be shaded by an inappropriate tree than by someone's extension. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , Victoria
Clare writes Kay Easton wrote in : Am I the only person who likes trees in towns? It's OK for you country dwellers with your huge or isolated gardens, but however much any of us would like to live in the country, the majority of jobs are in the towns, and so most of us live in towns. And towns can so easily be walls, roofs, walls and more walls, with no greenery above eye level. You are quite right - and town trees should be grown and kept, even if at some inconvenience. Whew! I was beginning to think I was the only one in step ;-) But I do think evergreens are often particularly hated because they cut out the light so completely, and all year round. Is it perhaps from their use of hedges where they become a rectangle of plain green - none of the shape and texture you expect from trees? then the rest follows - drastic pruning at one side to leave bare trunks, use as a weapon in neighbour wars, so eventually it's impossible to look at even a lone conifer with any favour? I was thinking a nice ornamental crabapple instead might be just the job ? Variety is the spice of life. Have you ever looked at a 60's estate with what I recall being described on Gardener's Question Time as Prunus bloody ****ardii in nearly every garden? -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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writes You may be right with regard to hedges - if so, there's a glaring loophole right away. Even one monster tree can overshadow a neighbour's garden badly. Why should one have a right not to be shaded by a tree when one has no right not to be shaded by a building? -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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"Joanne" wrote in message news:k31oc.271$wB.111@newsfe1-win... "nambucca" wrote in message ... Just before the previous neighbour left, they planted what I can only imagine to be a leylandi shrub. That was last July, and now the shrub / tree is over 8 foot tall. Whilst the neighbour is fine, he doesn't want to cut the shrub (he reckons it looks spectacular!) and it looks like by the end of this summer it will be dwarfing our 4 foot fence by some considerable height! You are well within your rights to cut back roots and branches right back to the boundary But, AFAIK, if you cut back the roots or branches which results in damage to your neighbour's trees, then you're liable for that damage. Also, I believe the new "anti-social" legislation says that an evergreen hedge (defined as 3 or more trees in a row) cannot be higher than 2 metres, however, I don't know if that applies to evergreen hedges that are already in existance. I believe that you're entitled to cut back any branches that overhang your property and you're supposed to "offer" the branches back to the tree's owner (but the owner doesn't have to accept them). I have yet to see any Leylandi fall over because its affected neighbour chopped back the roots and branches to the boundary It takes a hell of a lot to get any established Lelandii to keel over |
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In article , Kay Easton
writes In article , writes You may be right with regard to hedges - if so, there's a glaring loophole right away. Even one monster tree can overshadow a neighbour's garden badly. Why should one have a right not to be shaded by a tree when one has no right not to be shaded by a building? err careful with the snipping Kay, I didn't say that -- David |
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In article , Bob H
writes Just out of interest, we have a row of the yellowish coloured Leylandii (not sure what type) in our front garden. I planted them when they were 4 footers about 2 years ago and they are only about 5/6.5 feet now, so I don't know about them been fast growers as people say they are. The reason I planted them was because of the supposedly fast growth, as we wanted privacy from the main road. Oh well. They take a couple of years to get going Bob and then its 2-3' per year -- David |
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Kay Easton11/5/04 8:33
No, I know you're not and I do take your very good point. But leylandii are not suitable trees for those purposes. I can't see any problem with people growing smallish specimen trees in city gardens and deriving and giving great pleasure when planting them. I suppose it depends on the definition of smallish. I like the roofline to be broken up, which means in our area something like 20-30ft. Luckily I have a church car park on one side, a public park to the north, shade loving neighbours (with a grove of birch, and beyond them neighbours with full grown horse chestnuts) to the W, so the only neighbours who might be bothered are on the S, and what's shading their garden is their own house! Yes - but that is *your* set of circumstances and on the whole, you appear to have something you can live with happily. If the neighbours who could do so suddenly planted a row of leylandii to shade your garden, you might perhaps feel differently about those 'beautiful' trees? My brother and his wife live in Wandsworth and have a row of (IIRC) poplar trees at the bottom of their garden which have had to be severely pollarded and trimmed but which do, at least in summer, shield them from the neighbours at the bottom of their very small garden. grin There was a row of those down our road in Sevenoaks - when I woke up after the '87 storm, I looked out to see my car parked outside, with a poplar neatly across the road just behind the rear bumper, and another neatly just in front of the front bumper. And as daylight drew, I realised this sequence - poplar, car, poplar, car - was repeated all the way down the road in both directions. At that point I realised I *wasn't* going to get to work that day. Rhododendrons aren't trees, neither are Camellias but they can grow pretty big and are evergreen AND can be clipped to the required size AND have lovely flowers. And they can take up the whole width of your garden! Whereas a tree is a bush-on-a-stalk and you can still do things underneath ;-) You can do just the same with Camellias and Rhodos. As Keith Wiley (late of The Garden House) would say "lift their skirts'. ;-) I did make the point - I hope - that both can be kept to the required size. Don't forget, the last house I lived in (the one you came to) had rather a small garden In Leeds that would have been advertised as a large garden! Even in the suburbs. All things are relative. ;-) but someone had planted a potentially huge blue cedar in it because they addmired the one in next door's MUCH bigger garden. I had the horrible job of cutting down this lovely, still young tree because if I'd left it to mature, nobody could have got in or out of the front door. Yep. My mother used to plants deodar cedars then chop them down when they reached 6in dia trunk and start again. There will come the time when we have to fell our Araucaria, but for the moment it's giving us a lot of pleasure. We don't of course have any legal rights to sunshine in our gardens, and if it's a building that's stopping the sun, there's not a thing we can do. And IMO the Planning authorities are remarkably unconvinced by any argument that a proposed building will shade your garden - though personally I'd much prefer to be shaded by an inappropriate tree than by someone's extension. We may not have legal rights but it wouldn't hurt neighbours to consider pure enjoyment of one's own garden. And given that a tree probably costs less to plant and prune than an extension, I think I'd prefer to deal with a neighbour with an inappropriate tree! -- Sacha (remove the weeds to email me) |
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writes In article , Kay Easton writes In article , writes You may be right with regard to hedges - if so, there's a glaring loophole right away. Even one monster tree can overshadow a neighbour's garden badly. Why should one have a right not to be shaded by a tree when one has no right not to be shaded by a building? err careful with the snipping Kay, I didn't say that Sorry. I can't recall who it was. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , (Sacha) wrote: I'm not sure why you think it's not a leylandii - you mean it's grown too fast? That's what I thought. They are slow starters Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com A useful bit of gardening software at http://www.netservs.com/garden/ |
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Steve Harris12/5/04 12:00
In article , (Sacha) wrote: I'm not sure why you think it's not a leylandii - you mean it's grown too fast? That's what I thought. They are slow starters I must say that has not been my (limited) experience. Would this depend on their age/height when planted? If these aren't leylandii, does anyone have a clue what they are? It might help the OP to relax a bit! -- Sacha (remove the weeds to email me) |
Lelandi problem (sort of!)
In article , Sacha
writes Kay Easton11/5/04 8:33 @scarbo ro.demon.co.uk Yes - but that is *your* set of circumstances Oh, I agree - I was really saying how lucky I feel that I live somewhere which is green and vegetation covered. Not to mention being in the garden and feeling I'm not being overlooked from all the surrounding houses. and on the whole, you appear to have something you can live with happily. If the neighbours who could do so suddenly planted a row of leylandii to shade your garden, you might perhaps feel differently about those 'beautiful' trees? Doubt it! I'm not sure it is possible to shade my garden any more than it's already shaded ;-) The grove of birches is well above roof height, and the mature chestnuts are probably only 50 ft from our garden -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Lelandi problem (sort of!)
Kay Easton wrote in
: I was thinking a nice ornamental crabapple instead might be just the job ? Variety is the spice of life. Have you ever looked at a 60's estate with what I recall being described on Gardener's Question Time as Prunus bloody ****ardii in nearly every garden? No, I'm too young to remember a 60's estate as uniform! ;-p But there's a big estate near Leicester which my parents called the 'Estate of Kilmarnock Willows' Rowan, hawthorn, hazels, decorative cherries, real apple trees...? All much more neighbour-acceptable than leylandii. I'll give you ashes though - gorgeous trees that neighbours hate! (just stop seeing it as a seedling-generator for a moment and look...) Victoria -- gardening on a north-facing hill in South-East Cornwall -- |
Lelandi problem (sort of!)
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Lelandi problem (sort of!)
Victoria Clare12/5/04 10:08
10 Kay Easton wrote in : I was thinking a nice ornamental crabapple instead might be just the job ? Variety is the spice of life. Have you ever looked at a 60's estate with what I recall being described on Gardener's Question Time as Prunus bloody ****ardii in nearly every garden? No, I'm too young to remember a 60's estate as uniform! ;-p But there's a big estate near Leicester which my parents called the 'Estate of Kilmarnock Willows' Rowan, hawthorn, hazels, decorative cherries, real apple trees...? All much more neighbour-acceptable than leylandii. I'll give you ashes though - gorgeous trees that neighbours hate! (just stop seeing it as a seedling-generator for a moment and look...) Victoria We saw a wonderful Prunus the other day - perfect for a small to medium sized garden. It was P. hillieri. -- Sacha (remove the weeds to email me) |
Lelandi problem (sort of!)
In article . 10,
Victoria Clare writes I'll give you ashes though - gorgeous trees that neighbours hate! (just stop seeing it as a seedling-generator for a moment and look...) I still hate it! Great, overgrown coarse-looking thing! I could never understand why people call rowan 'mountain ash' until I saw the two side by side on Whernside - in that environment they both had the silver gray bark and the same growth habit and looked very similar indeed. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Lelandi problem (sort of!)
In article . 24,
Victoria Clare writes The nicest thing about birches is their fine dappled shade - The downside is their habit of dropping 6ft long twigs everywhere! We scoop up loads of these all the year round. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Lelandi problem (sort of!)
"Kay Easton" wrote in message ... In article , Victoria Clare writes Kay Easton wrote in : Am I the only person who likes trees in towns? It's OK for you country dwellers with your huge or isolated gardens, but however much any of us would like to live in the country, the majority of jobs are in the towns, and so most of us live in towns. And towns can so easily be walls, roofs, walls and more walls, with no greenery above eye level. You are quite right - and town trees should be grown and kept, even if at some inconvenience. Whew! I was beginning to think I was the only one in step ;-) But I do think evergreens are often particularly hated because they cut out the light so completely, and all year round. Is it perhaps from their use of hedges where they become a rectangle of plain green - none of the shape and texture you expect from trees? then the rest follows - drastic pruning at one side to leave bare trunks, use as a weapon in neighbour wars, so eventually it's impossible to look at even a lone conifer with any favour? I was thinking a nice ornamental crabapple instead might be just the job ? Variety is the spice of life. Have you ever looked at a 60's estate with what I recall being described on Gardener's Question Time as Prunus bloody ****ardii in nearly every garden? Would you say the same about roses? Franz |
Lelandi problem (sort of!)
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from Kay Easton contains these words: In article . 10, Victoria Clare writes I'll give you ashes though - gorgeous trees that neighbours hate! (just stop seeing it as a seedling-generator for a moment and look...) I still hate it! Great, overgrown coarse-looking thing! Me too..our (absentee) neighbour has several right on the boundary, seeding like very seedy things, and sending huge greedy roots to raid the veg garden. Janet. |
Lelandi problem (sort of!)
In article , Franz Heymann
writes "Kay Easton" wrote in message ... In article , Victoria Clare writes Kay Easton wrote in : Variety is the spice of life. Have you ever looked at a 60's estate with what I recall being described on Gardener's Question Time as Prunus bloody ****ardii in nearly every garden? Would you say the same about roses? What? Variety is the spice of life? Yes. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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