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In article , Sue
wrote: When AT first took over on GW from the wonderful down-to-earth Geoff Hamilton, he did in fact start off quite well and for about one season I thought he'd make a decent replacement, but thereafter his manner seemed to me to get more and more arrogant and, yes, smug! Maybe he was smug because he's the only gardener ever to get into the Sunday Times Rich List... (unless Doc Hessayon ever made it). My own impression is that he is smooth rather than smug - and a lot more professional than just about any other gardening presenter. He's certainly a lot more knowledgeable than Monty Don who, in addition to making lots of mistakes, misses no opportunity to ram his organic gardening principles down our throat. Since organic gardeners are still a small minority of the total, the BBC should stamp on him before he alienates a lot of viewers. AT is organic too but he manages to tread a happy middle path when presenting to the masses. Incidentally, I didn't like the cosy banter on the balcony during the Beeb's Chelsea shows either but I'm more inclined to blame the producer/director than either AT or DG. Probably the idea was to get Dermot to smile a lot - which is pretty much all he has to offer on TV. I was _very_ impressed with one sequence filmed in the pavillion where AT was filmed chatting to camera as he walked up the full length of one of the aisles, pointing out exhibits along the way and acknowledging friends and well-wishers as he went. It was maybe a 3 minute sequence filmed in one take. It may not have been the first take admittedly but it was a highly professional performance from he who still rules the airwaves - by a long way, imho. And yes, I do think gardening on TV can profit from being entertaining as well as informative as it all helps to draw new gardeners into the fold. Whether the Beed went too far in this respect this year is a moot point. Simon |
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In article , Stan The Man
writes Since organic gardeners are still a small minority of the total, the BBC should stamp on him before he alienates a lot of viewers. I'm old enough to remember when the BBC felt it had a purpose to educate and to raise standards, rather than simply pander to the tastes of the majority. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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On 30/5/04 10:36 pm, in article , "Kay
Easton" wrote: In article , Stan The Man writes Since organic gardeners are still a small minority of the total, the BBC should stamp on him before he alienates a lot of viewers. I'm old enough to remember when the BBC felt it had a purpose to educate and to raise standards, rather than simply pander to the tastes of the majority. That rings a bell. Isn't that part of its motto in some way? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds after garden to email me) |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 30/5/04 10:36 pm, in article , "Kay Easton" wrote: In article , Stan The Man writes Since organic gardeners are still a small minority of the total, the BBC should stamp on him before he alienates a lot of viewers. I'm old enough to remember when the BBC felt it had a purpose to educate and to raise standards, rather than simply pander to the tastes of the majority. That rings a bell. Isn't that part of its motto in some way? The mandate is still to inform, educate and entertain. |
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In article , Stan The Man writes Since organic gardeners are still a small minority of the total, the BBC should stamp on him before he alienates a lot of viewers. I am inclined to agree with this. Whilst i am not a chemical fan, I am not "organic". I am what I would call an eclectic gardener. I choose what I consider the most effective treatment to zap the problem. Whilst most of my horticultural and farming neighbours are zapping their crops with stuff ( including hormones) I dont see what I should ( or even can) be "organic". Besides, I dont want to be. And yes, I do resent Monty ( and others - Bob Flowerdew on BBC Radio is another!) telling me how to conduct my gardening. I think Monty Don is a good choice as replacement for AT on GW and possibly by far the best they have around right now ( Cant stand the "team" by the way R deT and Joe Swift ) and should continue. He does have a relaxed presentation style. Actually I think AT does have a smooth way of dealing with controversy and he is professional in his presentation. The Beeb will need to go a long way ( a lot further than the current crop of TV gardeners) to find another like him, certainly in the short term and possibly in the long term also. BY the way, whats the name of that lady who replaced R.de T whilst she was germinating and growing on her seedling? I thought she was OK and ought to have a place on the regular GW team. Maybe she is no real looker , but she was a gardener! |
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In article , mich
wrote: BY the way, whats the name of that lady who replaced R.de T whilst she was germinating and growing on her seedling? I thought she was OK and ought to have a place on the regular GW team. Maybe she is no real looker , but she was a gardener! Sarah Raven, the Queen of Grunge - also a lecturer and columnist for the Daily Telegraph amongst others. I think she's more than OK. She'd be better still as a presenter if she went to the same smile trainer that Ms Dimmock has been using. She is fallible though: I rather like my gardening presenters to be world champion plantspeople (like James Alexander Sinclair) and it undermines my faith when one of them says "What is that?" or "I've never seen that before". If AT is out of the equation, then JAS (he of the wide-brimmed hat) is my favourite TV presenter. He's a brilliant plantsman and a very clever garden designer - and he's very entertaining to boot, although I concede that his language may be too flowery for some. I loved his series of Small Town Gardens last year and can't understand why he isn't more widely used by the BBC. Simon |
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On Sun, 30 May 2004 22:36:24 +0100, Kay Easton
wrote: I'm old enough to remember when the BBC felt it had a purpose to educate and to raise standards, rather than simply pander to the tastes of the majority. Judging from Eastenders viewing figures, the BBC doesn't even do that well anymore. |
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On Sun, 30 May 2004 23:54:25 +0100, Sacha
wrote: On 30/5/04 10:36 pm, in article , "Kay Easton" wrote: In article , Stan The Man writes Since organic gardeners are still a small minority of the total, the BBC should stamp on him before he alienates a lot of viewers. I'm old enough to remember when the BBC felt it had a purpose to educate and to raise standards, rather than simply pander to the tastes of the majority. That rings a bell. Isn't that part of its motto in some way? It's "Nation shall speak peace unto nation" |
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 07:13:22 +0100, "mich" wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message k... On 30/5/04 10:36 pm, in article , "Kay Easton" wrote: In article , Stan The Man writes Since organic gardeners are still a small minority of the total, the BBC should stamp on him before he alienates a lot of viewers. I'm old enough to remember when the BBC felt it had a purpose to educate and to raise standards, rather than simply pander to the tastes of the majority. That rings a bell. Isn't that part of its motto in some way? The mandate is still to inform, educate and entertain. but not all three simultaneously :-) |
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On 31/5/04 8:58 am, in article , "Stan The
Man" wrote: In article , mich wrote: BY the way, whats the name of that lady who replaced R.de T whilst she was germinating and growing on her seedling? I thought she was OK and ought to have a place on the regular GW team. Maybe she is no real looker , but she was a gardener! Sarah Raven, the Queen of Grunge - also a lecturer and columnist for the Daily Telegraph amongst others. The DT has one of the best gardening sections among all the papers. I think she's more than OK. She'd be better still as a presenter if she went to the same smile trainer that Ms Dimmock has been using. She is fallible though: I rather like my gardening presenters to be world champion plantspeople (like James Alexander Sinclair) and it undermines my faith when one of them says "What is that?" or "I've never seen that before". Now - be fair! How many plants are there in the world? My husband is a nursery of many years' experience but he sometimes meets plants he doesn't know. There was a plant on the NZ stand of which there is only one lefft in the world! If AT is out of the equation, then JAS (he of the wide-brimmed hat) is my favourite TV presenter. He's a brilliant plantsman and a very clever garden designer - and he's very entertaining to boot, although I concede that his language may be too flowery for some. I loved his series of Small Town Gardens last year and can't understand why he isn't more widely used by the BBC. Maybe he drives as many people round the bed as he does me. ;-) He's just another of those 'cult of the personality' people with that stupid hat. If he dropped the gimmmick and just gardened, perhaps we'd notice that rather than the headgear. As it is, he strikes me as pretentious. Llewellyn Bowen has the hair and the shirt cuffs; Sinclair has to have a hat because everything else is taken - no bra for Charlie, hair and nails for Rachel, natty suits and "aren't I a one" for Alan, Irish and Cockney accents for Diarmuid and Joe - nothing else left, really. ;-) Somehow, Geoff Hamilton got by with a spade and fork and dirty hands. Nowadays, they'd probably tell him to have a perm, or something. Even Tommy's had a 'hair do'. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds after garden to email me) |
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On 31/5/04 9:53 am, in article ,
"martin" wrote: On Mon, 31 May 2004 07:13:22 +0100, "mich" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message ... On 30/5/04 10:36 pm, in article , "Kay Easton" wrote: In article , Stan The Man writes Since organic gardeners are still a small minority of the total, the BBC should stamp on him before he alienates a lot of viewers. I'm old enough to remember when the BBC felt it had a purpose to educate and to raise standards, rather than simply pander to the tastes of the majority. That rings a bell. Isn't that part of its motto in some way? The mandate is still to inform, educate and entertain. but not all three simultaneously :-) But why not? I'm looking forward to the new Bill Oddie wildlife programme for a start! (Tonight, I think) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds after garden to email me) |
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On 31/5/04 11:07 am, in article
, "Sacha" wrote: snip Maybe he drives as many people round the bed as he does me. ;-) snip Sigh....'bend', not 'bed' before some smart alec picks up on it. ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds after garden to email me) |
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In article , Sacha
writes Maybe he drives as many people round the bed as he does me. ;-) He's just another of those 'cult of the personality' people with that stupid hat. If he dropped the gimmmick and just gardened, perhaps we'd notice that rather than the headgear. As it is, he strikes me as pretentious. Llewellyn Bowen has the hair and the shirt cuffs; Sinclair has to have a hat because everything else is taken - no bra for Charlie, hair and nails for Rachel, natty suits and "aren't I a one" for Alan, Irish and Cockney accents for Diarmuid and Joe - nothing else left, really. ;-) Somehow, Geoff Hamilton got by with a spade and fork and dirty hands. Nowadays, they'd probably tell him to have a perm, or something. Even Tommy's had a 'hair do'. Hey - that's overstating it a bit! Irish and cockney accents a 'gimmick'? - (good job you didn't say 'lancashire' else you'd have been well taken to task ;-) ) -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 11:07:55 +0100, Sacha
wrote: On 31/5/04 8:58 am, in article , "Stan The Man" wrote: In article , mich wrote: BY the way, whats the name of that lady who replaced R.de T whilst she was germinating and growing on her seedling? I thought she was OK and ought to have a place on the regular GW team. Maybe she is no real looker , but she was a gardener! Sarah Raven, the Queen of Grunge - also a lecturer and columnist for the Daily Telegraph amongst others. The DT has one of the best gardening sections among all the papers. Yes! I think she's more than OK. She'd be better still as a presenter if she went to the same smile trainer that Ms Dimmock has been using. She is fallible though: I rather like my gardening presenters to be world champion plantspeople (like James Alexander Sinclair) and it undermines my faith when one of them says "What is that?" or "I've never seen that before". Now - be fair! How many plants are there in the world? My husband is a nursery of many years' experience but he sometimes meets plants he doesn't know. There was a plant on the NZ stand of which there is only one lefft in the world! If AT is out of the equation, then JAS (he of the wide-brimmed hat) is my favourite TV presenter. He's a brilliant plantsman and a very clever garden designer - and he's very entertaining to boot, although I concede that his language may be too flowery for some. I loved his series of Small Town Gardens last year and can't understand why he isn't more widely used by the BBC. Maybe he drives as many people round the bed as he does me. bend Sacha? Freudian slip or what? :-) ;-) He's just another of those 'cult of the personality' people with that stupid hat. If he dropped the gimmmick and just gardened, perhaps we'd notice that rather than the headgear. As it is, he strikes me as pretentious. Llewellyn Bowen has the hair and the shirt cuffs; Sinclair has to have a hat because everything else is taken - no bra for Charlie, hair and nails for Rachel, natty suits and "aren't I a one" for Alan, Irish and Cockney accents for Diarmuid and Joe - nothing else left, really. ;-) Somehow, Geoff Hamilton got by with a spade and fork and dirty hands. Nowadays, they'd probably tell him to have a perm, or something. Even Tommy's had a 'hair do'. LOL! |
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