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Old 30-05-2004, 01:17 PM
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Hi,

I`ve searched high and low to find some clear answers to how to clear
an overgrown garden but without much luck. So i thought i`d just ask.

I have just bought a house with a 60` x 25` garden and it currently
has about 3 foot tall weeds covering all of it apart from a couple of
trees.

Any ideas on how to clear it. The idea is to returf the whole garden.
Should i hire a petrol strimmer and clear it then turf it? or go at it
with a lot of weed killer and wait a few weeks?

any help would be greatly appriciated.

thanks

J
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Old 30-05-2004, 02:37 PM
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"paulr" wrote in message
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Hi,

I`ve searched high and low to find some clear answers to how to clear
an overgrown garden but without much luck. So i thought i`d just ask.

I have just bought a house with a 60` x 25` garden and it currently
has about 3 foot tall weeds covering all of it apart from a couple of
trees.

Any ideas on how to clear it. The idea is to returf the whole garden.
Should i hire a petrol strimmer and clear it then turf it? or go at it
with a lot of weed killer and wait a few weeks?

any help would be greatly appriciated.

thanks

J

The best solution is to firstly strim and rake off all the debris. Leave
for a few weeks and then Roundup the re-growth. Preferably repeat this after
another few weeks. Finally make a totally level surface before turfing.
Don't economise on the quality of the turf but at the same time ensure that
it is suitable for your potential usage.
Best Wishes Brian.


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Old 30-05-2004, 07:09 PM
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Thanks brian,

Would you recommend any weed killer? There is some bine weed (sp?) all along
one wall, i`ve heard its difficult to get rid of.

J


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"paulr" wrote in message
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Hi,

I`ve searched high and low to find some clear answers to how to clear
an overgrown garden but without much luck. So i thought i`d just ask.

I have just bought a house with a 60` x 25` garden and it currently
has about 3 foot tall weeds covering all of it apart from a couple of
trees.

Any ideas on how to clear it. The idea is to returf the whole garden.
Should i hire a petrol strimmer and clear it then turf it? or go at it
with a lot of weed killer and wait a few weeks?

any help would be greatly appriciated.

thanks

J

The best solution is to firstly strim and rake off all the debris. Leave
for a few weeks and then Roundup the re-growth. Preferably repeat this after
another few weeks. Finally make a totally level surface before turfing.
Don't economise on the quality of the turf but at the same time ensure that
it is suitable for your potential usage.
Best Wishes Brian.

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Old 31-05-2004, 06:11 PM
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On 30 May 2004 03:43:27 -0700, paulr wrote:

I have just bought a house with a 60` x 25` garden and it currently
has about 3 foot tall weeds covering all of it apart from a couple of
trees.

Any ideas on how to clear it. The idea is to returf the whole garden.
Should i hire a petrol strimmer and clear it then turf it? or go at it
with a lot of weed killer and wait a few weeks?


If you can afford it, hire a garden maintenance guy to do the
hard dirty work of cutting down the weeds and hauling them away.
Your new garden is only 1500 sqft, and the job shouldn't take
long with proper power equipment. Once the weeds are gone, the
situation will become much more manageable.

As for turfing, in the long run you might do better by seeding a
new lawn. The most sensible advice I've seen on this subject was
published years ago in one of our local papers by the late Jack
Beastall. He recommended that you kill off the existing
vegetation in the late spring or early summer, then till the soil
thoroughly (adding amendments to taste), and levelling it.

You then start a regimen that goes on all summer, watering,
fertilizing, and hoeing the soil regularly. The idea is to
encourage weed seeds to germinate freely, then kill the seedlings
via the hoe. By reducing the weed-seediness of the soil, when you
sow your grass seed around the beginning of September, you get
many fewer weeds coming up.

The hoeing is important; repeated use of weedkillers is not as
good. Not only does regular hoeing kill young weed seedllings,
but it also disturbs the soil and exposes more weed seeds,
thereby encouraging their germination. It is important to realize
that many weeds are native to sites where the soil is constantly
disturbed, and by regularly hoeing, you give them great
encouragement.

You clearly want to hoe rather deeply so as to clean some depth
of soil, not just the immediate surface.

This method also gives unrepentant perennial weeds (couch grass,
for example) a chance to reveal themselves. If any turn up, you
can nuke them either by hand or using Roundup. My own preference
would be to carefully fork up any couch grass roots as the
process will provide yet further disturbance of the soil.

The long delay between initial tillage and final seeding also
gives the soil a chance to settle, so you can correct any bumps
or dips during the summer and get a smoother lawn than you might
otherwise.

This may sound like a lot of work, and the long delay while you
face an area of bare earth may sound unappealing, but as in so
many aspects of gardening, the secret to long-term success lies
in careful preparation.


--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
[change "atlantic" to "pacific" and
"invalid" to "net" to reply by email]


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On 30 May 2004 03:43:27 -0700, paulr wrote:

I have just bought a house with a 60` x 25` garden and it currently
has about 3 foot tall weeds covering all of it apart from a couple of
trees.

Any ideas on how to clear it. The idea is to returf the whole garden.
Should i hire a petrol strimmer and clear it then turf it? or go at it
with a lot of weed killer and wait a few weeks?


If you can afford it, hire a garden maintenance guy to do the
hard dirty work of cutting down the weeds and hauling them away.
Your new garden is only 1500 sqft, and the job shouldn't take
long with proper power equipment. Once the weeds are gone, the
situation will become much more manageable.

As for turfing, in the long run you might do better by seeding a
new lawn. The most sensible advice I've seen on this subject was
published years ago in one of our local papers by the late Jack
Beastall. He recommended that you kill off the existing
vegetation in the late spring or early summer, then till the soil
thoroughly (adding amendments to taste), and levelling it.

You then start a regimen that goes on all summer, watering,
fertilizing, and hoeing the soil regularly. The idea is to
encourage weed seeds to germinate freely, then kill the seedlings
via the hoe. By reducing the weed-seediness of the soil, when you
sow your grass seed around the beginning of September, you get
many fewer weeds coming up.

The hoeing is important; repeated use of weedkillers is not as
good. Not only does regular hoeing kill young weed seedllings,
but it also disturbs the soil and exposes more weed seeds,
thereby encouraging their germination. It is important to realize
that many weeds are native to sites where the soil is constantly
disturbed, and by regularly hoeing, you give them great
encouragement.

You clearly want to hoe rather deeply so as to clean some depth
of soil, not just the immediate surface.

This method also gives unrepentant perennial weeds (couch grass,
for example) a chance to reveal themselves. If any turn up, you
can nuke them either by hand or using Roundup. My own preference
would be to carefully fork up any couch grass roots as the
process will provide yet further disturbance of the soil.

The long delay between initial tillage and final seeding also
gives the soil a chance to settle, so you can correct any bumps
or dips during the summer and get a smoother lawn than you might
otherwise.

This may sound like a lot of work, and the long delay while you
face an area of bare earth may sound unappealing, but as in so
many aspects of gardening, the secret to long-term success lies
in careful preparation.


--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
[change "atlantic" to "pacific" and
"invalid" to "net" to reply by email]
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Rodger Whitlock wrote in message
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On 30 May 2004 03:43:27 -0700, paulr wrote:

I have just bought a house with a 60` x 25` garden and it currently
has about 3 foot tall weeds covering all of it apart from a couple of
trees.

Any ideas on how to clear it. The idea is to returf the whole garden.
Should i hire a petrol strimmer and clear it then turf it? or go at it
with a lot of weed killer and wait a few weeks?

Use a glyphosphate - type weedkiller first, this is absorbed by growing
plants/weeds hence no need to cut them down first , they will die in two
weeks.


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"....... Use a glyphosphate - type weedkiller first, this is absorbed by
growing plants/weeds hence no need to cut them down first , they will die in
two weeks. ........."
I'd cut first then spray when things start to re grow, cutting the dead
grass etc is harder than cutting it fresh.
Let it dry and you can burn it.


--
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Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk




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You might find your answer below.

"Keep Your Lamp Trimmed and Burning."

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On 5/30/04 3:43 AM, in article
, "paulr"
wrote:

Hi,

I`ve searched high and low to find some clear answers to how to clear
an overgrown garden but without much luck. So i thought i`d just ask.

I have just bought a house with a 60` x 25` garden and it currently
has about 3 foot tall weeds covering all of it apart from a couple of
trees.

Any ideas on how to clear it. The idea is to returf the whole garden.
Should i hire a petrol strimmer and clear it then turf it? or go at it
with a lot of weed killer and wait a few weeks?

any help would be greatly appriciated.

thanks

J

Hi,
I have read all the posts to date and am somewhat surprised that there
are some who still suggest using a chemical to kill the weeds. "It will do
no harm" is the usual response. I remember in the early years of the 2nd
World War when some Canadian soldiers were subjected to radiation (or
something) and were told "It will do no harm"! That was not true! After
hearing about that I am always suspect about anyone who says "It will do no
harm!"
Therefore, my suggestions are as follows and the reasons:
Firstly, cut down the weeds with some kind of mechanical tool... A man, for
example, with a scythe. Or use a lawn mower raised to the highest cutting
level. Or a weed eater...that's what we call them in Canada...probably the
same as a petrol strimmer. It's a motorized or electric weed cutter downer!
You do want to do this before the weeds go to seed!
It sounds like this particular area was at one time a garden. It should
be easy digging! Dig it in, one shovel full at a time. Try to bury as much
of the green leaves as you can. Dig, flip and roll the greenery into the
bottom of the just dug hole. (Digging the first shovel full, turn over just
on the edge of the hole you have just dug. As it rolls, the tops (green)
will fall into the hole.) Try to cover any greenery left from the first
shovel full with the following shovel full. Don't worry about the greenery
left showing. Right now we want to get the whole garden turned over. We will
look after the 'greenery left showing' later.
Remember, we are doing this one shovel full at a time. Turn over a few
shovel fulls then sit down with your favourite beverage and enjoy the work
you have done! It looks good, doesn't it?
And just think-no chemicals! And you are using green compost! Good for
the worms and that is good for whatever you plant there later.
Should you have any fledgling ice hockey players in your town, tell them
you have a great way for them to improve their wrist shot or slap shot! (It
will strengthen their wrists and arms). Get them to dig it for you. Be sure
that they read the above instructions. Tell them you won't charge them for
the experience. Well, good luck with that one!
That's my 'how' and 'why'. No chemical is a good chemical...ask any
worm...they work 24-7 and in the dark...as far as I know!
Gary
Fort Langley BC
Canada

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Old 04-06-2004, 10:10 PM
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"David Hill" wrote in message
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"....... Use a glyphosphate - type weedkiller first, this is absorbed by
growing plants/weeds hence no need to cut them down first , they will die

in
two weeks. ........."



I'd cut first then spray when things start to re grow, cutting the dead
grass etc is harder than cutting it fresh.
Let it dry and you can burn it.


--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk


Agreeing with the cut down first and adding, then feed them. prefably with
something high on nitrogen. The either spray when the fertilizer if really
getting them absorbing all the can, or go the gary davis approach.

patrick






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"gary davis" wrote in message
...
On 5/30/04 3:43 AM, in article
, "paulr"
wrote:

Hi,

I`ve searched high and low to find some clear answers to how to

clear
an overgrown garden but without much luck. So i thought i`d just

ask.

I have just bought a house with a 60` x 25` garden and it

currently
has about 3 foot tall weeds covering all of it apart from a couple

of
trees.

Any ideas on how to clear it. The idea is to returf the whole

garden.
Should i hire a petrol strimmer and clear it then turf it? or go

at it
with a lot of weed killer and wait a few weeks?

any help would be greatly appriciated.

thanks

J

Hi,
I have read all the posts to date and am somewhat surprised that

there
are some who still suggest using a chemical to kill the weeds. "It

will do
no harm" is the usual response.


Please list the types of harm which will result from the use of
glyphosate.

I remember in the early years of the 2nd
World War when some Canadian soldiers were subjected to radiation

(or
something) and were told "It will do no harm"! That was not true!

After
hearing about that I am always suspect about anyone who says "It

will do no
harm!"


And did whatever it was do any harm?

Therefore, my suggestions are as follows and the reasons:


A therefore should be preceded by some logical argument giving one or
more "because"s before culminating in "Therefore........."

Firstly, cut down the weeds with some kind of mechanical tool... A

man, for
example, with a scythe. Or use a lawn mower raised to the highest

cutting
level. Or a weed eater...that's what we call them in

Canada...probably the
same as a petrol strimmer. It's a motorized or electric weed cutter

downer!
You do want to do this before the weeds go to seed!
It sounds like this particular area was at one time a garden. It

should
be easy digging! Dig it in, one shovel full at a time. Try to bury

as much
of the green leaves as you can. Dig, flip and roll the greenery into

the
bottom of the just dug hole. (Digging the first shovel full, turn

over just
on the edge of the hole you have just dug. As it rolls, the tops

(green)
will fall into the hole.) Try to cover any greenery left from the

first
shovel full with the following shovel full. Don't worry about the

greenery
left showing. Right now we want to get the whole garden turned over.

We will
look after the 'greenery left showing' later.
Remember, we are doing this one shovel full at a time. Turn over

a few
shovel fulls then sit down with your favourite beverage and enjoy

the work
you have done! It looks good, doesn't it?


What happened to the roots of the perennial weeds?

And just think-no chemicals! And you are using green compost!

Good for
the worms and that is good for whatever you plant there later.


Very much less labour would be involved in using glyphosate to kill
the weeds. After the weeds are well and truly dead, the leftovers can
be raked up and put on a compost heap. The roots, which will be dead
after the treatment, may be left to rot in the ground.

Should you have any fledgling ice hockey players in your town,

tell them
you have a great way for them to improve their wrist shot or slap

shot! (It
will strengthen their wrists and arms). Get them to dig it for you.

Be sure
that they read the above instructions. Tell them you won't charge

them for
the experience. Well, good luck with that one!


That's my 'how' and 'why'. No chemical is a good chemical...ask

any
worm...they work 24-7 and in the dark...as far as I know!


Why do you want to dig at all? just mulch thickly with manure or
compost. The worms will do the digging, 24/7 as you said.

Franz


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On 6/4/04 2:06 PM, in article , "Franz
Heymann" wrote:


"gary davis" wrote in message
...
On 5/30/04 3:43 AM, in article
, "paulr"
wrote:

Hi,

I`ve searched high and low to find some clear answers to how to

clear
an overgrown garden but without much luck. So i thought i`d just

ask.

I have just bought a house with a 60` x 25` garden and it

currently
has about 3 foot tall weeds covering all of it apart from a couple

of
trees.

Any ideas on how to clear it. The idea is to returf the whole

garden.
Should i hire a petrol strimmer and clear it then turf it? or go

at it
with a lot of weed killer and wait a few weeks?

any help would be greatly appriciated.

thanks

J

Hi,
I have read all the posts to date and am somewhat surprised that

there
are some who still suggest using a chemical to kill the weeds. "It

will do
no harm" is the usual response.


Please list the types of harm which will result from the use of
glyphosate.


Gosh Franz I would think that it is a little early to tell. Maybe you should
wait and ask your grandchildren...they will know if there is a problem or
not. But unfortunately, then, it will be too late for us to change the
results.
The texture of plants killed with this 'stuff' is different. I don't know
how to describe it.

I remember in the early years of the 2nd
World War when some Canadian soldiers were subjected to radiation

(or
something) and were told "It will do no harm"! That was not true!

After
hearing about that I am always suspect about anyone who says "It

will do no
harm!"


And did whatever it was do any harm?


The test was a mustard gas test. Burnt skin, lungs etc.

Therefore, my suggestions are as follows and the reasons:


A therefore should be preceded by some logical argument giving one or
more "because"s before culminating in "Therefore........."


Franz this is the WWW not English 101 and the topic is gardening.



Firstly, cut down the weeds with some kind of mechanical tool... A

man, for
example, with a scythe. Or use a lawn mower raised to the highest

cutting
level. Or a weed eater...that's what we call them in

Canada...probably the
same as a petrol strimmer. It's a motorized or electric weed cutter

downer!
You do want to do this before the weeds go to seed!
It sounds like this particular area was at one time a garden. It

should
be easy digging! Dig it in, one shovel full at a time. Try to bury

as much
of the green leaves as you can. Dig, flip and roll the greenery into

the
bottom of the just dug hole. (Digging the first shovel full, turn

over just
on the edge of the hole you have just dug. As it rolls, the tops

(green)
will fall into the hole.) Try to cover any greenery left from the

first
shovel full with the following shovel full. Don't worry about the

greenery
left showing. Right now we want to get the whole garden turned over.

We will
look after the 'greenery left showing' later.
Remember, we are doing this one shovel full at a time. Turn over

a few
shovel fulls then sit down with your favourite beverage and enjoy

the work
you have done! It looks good, doesn't it?


What happened to the roots of the perennial weeds?


Franz, really now! They are exposed to the elements just like all the
weeds...

And just think-no chemicals! And you are using green compost!

Good for
the worms and that is good for whatever you plant there later.


Very much less labour would be involved in using glyphosate to kill
the weeds. After the weeds are well and truly dead,


They are dead alright and their texture is disgusting.

the leftovers can
be raked up and put on a compost heap.


I would never, never ever put them in my compost heap, but then just where
do we put them? In the garbage? Where does the garbage go? To the ocean?
Ouch!

The roots, which will be dead
after the treatment, may be left to rot in the ground.


Yes Franz...tell that to your grandchildren. And what you say about being
easy is true. Yes it is easy but there is much to be learned about the long
term affects of such a product that kills plants so effectively. If it
sounds too good to be true...it probably is.


Should you have any fledgling ice hockey players in your town,

tell them
you have a great way for them to improve their wrist shot or slap

shot! (It
will strengthen their wrists and arms). Get them to dig it for you.

Be sure
that they read the above instructions. Tell them you won't charge

them for
the experience. Well, good luck with that one!


That's my 'how' and 'why'. No chemical is a good chemical...ask

any
worm...they work 24-7 and in the dark...as far as I know!


Why do you want to dig at all?


Firstly, to do our part to protect the environment and to get some
exercise...digging is good for toning the arms and shoulders and after all
it is only one shovel full at a time!

just mulch thickly with manure or
compost.


Franz good points made but we don't know where she lives and maybe she
doesn't have manure or any compost where she lives.

TIME OUT:
Excuse me Ms...( I can't find her name...well, the Lady who posted this
original question...it was a lady wasn't it? Do you have lots of compost? Do
you have lots of manure like Franz suggests, to do what Franz suggested? Or
maybe there are ice hockey players in town...Franz, do you have ice hockey
players in your town? Get them to go over and help this lady with her
garden...ah..yes...grass....weeds!

The worms will do the digging, 24/7 as you said.


Yes Franz either way they will do the 'digging' unless we kill them off with
unknown 'beneficial' chemicals.


Gary
Fort Langley, BC
Canada

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"gary davis" wrote in message
...
On 6/4/04 2:06 PM, in article ,

"Franz
Heymann" wrote:


"gary davis" wrote in message
...
On 5/30/04 3:43 AM, in article
, "paulr"
wrote:

Hi,

I`ve searched high and low to find some clear answers to how to

clear
an overgrown garden but without much luck. So i thought i`d just

ask.

I have just bought a house with a 60` x 25` garden and it

currently
has about 3 foot tall weeds covering all of it apart from a

couple
of
trees.

Any ideas on how to clear it. The idea is to returf the whole

garden.
Should i hire a petrol strimmer and clear it then turf it? or go

at it
with a lot of weed killer and wait a few weeks?

any help would be greatly appriciated.

thanks

J
Hi,
I have read all the posts to date and am somewhat surprised

that
there
are some who still suggest using a chemical to kill the weeds.

"It
will do
no harm" is the usual response.


Please list the types of harm which will result from the use of
glyphosate.


Gosh Franz I would think that it is a little early to tell. Maybe

you should
wait and ask your grandchildren...they will know if there is a

problem or
not. But unfortunately, then, it will be too late for us to change

the
results.
The texture of plants killed with this 'stuff' is different. I don't

know
how to describe it.


Dead?

I remember in the early years of the 2nd
World War when some Canadian soldiers were subjected to radiation

(or
something) and were told "It will do no harm"! That was not true!

After
hearing about that I am always suspect about anyone who says "It

will do no
harm!"


And did whatever it was do any harm?


The test was a mustard gas test. Burnt skin, lungs etc.


Radiation? or something?
Besides, the military establishment is, more often than not, very
stupid indeed.

Therefore, my suggestions are as follows and the reasons:


A therefore should be preceded by some logical argument giving one

or
more "because"s before culminating in "Therefore........."


Franz this is the WWW not English 101 and the topic is gardening.


Yes. I was not commenting on your use of English, which is admirable.
I commented on the lack of logicasl connectivity in the argument to
which I referred.



Firstly, cut down the weeds with some kind of mechanical tool...

A
man, for
example, with a scythe. Or use a lawn mower raised to the highest

cutting
level. Or a weed eater...that's what we call them in

Canada...probably the
same as a petrol strimmer. It's a motorized or electric weed

cutter
downer!
You do want to do this before the weeds go to seed!
It sounds like this particular area was at one time a garden.

It
should
be easy digging! Dig it in, one shovel full at a time. Try to

bury
as much
of the green leaves as you can. Dig, flip and roll the greenery

into
the
bottom of the just dug hole. (Digging the first shovel full, turn

over just
on the edge of the hole you have just dug. As it rolls, the tops

(green)
will fall into the hole.) Try to cover any greenery left from the

first
shovel full with the following shovel full. Don't worry about the

greenery
left showing. Right now we want to get the whole garden turned

over.
We will
look after the 'greenery left showing' later.
Remember, we are doing this one shovel full at a time. Turn

over
a few
shovel fulls then sit down with your favourite beverage and enjoy

the work
you have done! It looks good, doesn't it?


What happened to the roots of the perennial weeds?


Franz, really now! They are exposed to the elements just like all

the
weeds...


In my youth, when I still dug, it was not possible to clear my garden
of perennial weeds by digging them in.

And just think-no chemicals! And you are using green compost!

Good for
the worms and that is good for whatever you plant there later.


Very much less labour would be involved in using glyphosate to

kill
the weeds. After the weeds are well and truly dead,


They are dead alright and their texture is disgusting.


That does not affect the ability of the soil fauna and flora from
turning them into compost.

the leftovers can
be raked up and put on a compost heap.


I would never, never ever put them in my compost heap, but then just

where
do we put them? In the garbage? Where does the garbage go? To the

ocean?
Ouch!


They decompose very satisfactorily when dug in *after they have been
killed*

The roots, which will be dead
after the treatment, may be left to rot in the ground.


Yes Franz...tell that to your grandchildren.


And what you say about being
easy is true. Yes it is easy but there is much to be learned about

the long
term affects of such a product that kills plants so effectively. If

it
sounds too good to be true...it probably is.


Provide the evidence and I will cease using it. The available
evidence at the moment says glyphosate is safe.


Should you have any fledgling ice hockey players in your

town,
tell them
you have a great way for them to improve their wrist shot or slap

shot! (It
will strengthen their wrists and arms). Get them to dig it for

you.
Be sure
that they read the above instructions. Tell them you won't charge

them for
the experience. Well, good luck with that one!


That's my 'how' and 'why'. No chemical is a good

chemical...ask
any
worm...they work 24-7 and in the dark...as far as I know!


Why do you want to dig at all?


Firstly, to do our part to protect the environment and to get some
exercise...digging is good for toning the arms and shoulders and

after all
it is only one shovel full at a time!


Not when one is eighty and can walk only with difficulty.

just mulch thickly with manure or
compost.


Franz good points made but we don't know where she lives and maybe

she
doesn't have manure or any compost where she lives.


Manure and compost is available to anyone with a few pounds in the
pocket and a car to transport the stuff.

TIME OUT:
Excuse me Ms...( I can't find her name...well, the Lady who

posted this
original question...it was a lady wasn't it? Do you have lots of

compost? Do
you have lots of manure like Franz suggests, to do what Franz

suggested? Or
maybe there are ice hockey players in town...Franz, do you have ice

hockey
players in your town? Get them to go over and help this lady with

her
garden...ah..yes...grass....weeds!


I found no difficulty to find compost and manure when I was still
town-bound.

The worms will do the digging, 24/7 as you said.


Yes Franz either way they will do the 'digging' unless we kill them

off with
unknown 'beneficial' chemicals.


I am not talking abour what you call "unknown 'beneficial' chemicals".
I am talking about a chemical about whose effects on the environment a
great deal is known.
Glyphosate has been shown not to affect worms to any noticeable
effect.

Franz


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