On 6/6/04 14:09, in article ,
"Brian" wrote:


I'd assumed that given the plant's name, the original question was posed
by
a troll. ;-)
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds after garden to email me)

That was my first thought too, Sacha, but then I wonder how seemingly
ignorant beginners can be?. Do we forget that our knowledge was not innate?

The OP may well be genuine but I don't think many people buy something of
that name without getting a clue as to its tendencies. 'grand' and 'goliath'
alone would be a hint. And if it was as expensive as Magnolias can be, IME
most people ask first as to whether or not it's suitable for their garden.
I do think some people *always* ask the appropriate questions in nurseries;
in some garden centres they'd be pushed to find someone who *could* answer
them.

However, if the OP is genuine, his or her best bet is to take the plant back
to the gc and exchange it for something more suitable.

I have, at times, wondered if many questions are genuine. As has been said
before, all questions are easy if one has the knowledge and experience.
Many people with new gardens seem to purchase the most inappropriate
plants. Just look in the trolleys leaving a garden centre~~ Knowing their
gardens! The young leaves of M. grandiflora are attractive enough to be
only second to the blooms~and purchased because of their leaves?.
Personally, I am quite used to the most stupid of conclusions reached by
supposedly PG students~~albeit under stress, in haste, and without time for
further reflection. Last year:- " If your parents could not have children
then you will also remain childless" [This was not the first time I had seen
this statement]
"We forget how many of our ancestors died as young children, through
starvation"
This latter quote I initially passed and it only dawned on me some minutes
later!!.

I'd have thought this quote was perfectly possible - just not in the direct
line. Aunts and uncles etc., are ancestors, too. ;-)
I rather like "Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children".

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds after garden to email me)

On 6/6/04 16:38, in article ,
"Sacha" wrote:

snip
I do think some people *always* ask the appropriate questions in nurseries;
snip Sigh - should be: "I don't* think some people..." etc.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds after garden to email me)

In article , Sacha
writes

The OP may well be genuine but I don't think many people buy something of
that name without getting a clue as to its tendencies. 'grand'


but the 'grand' was applied to the flowers!

and 'goliath'
alone would be a hint.

Yes - that was my reaction on seeing the 'goliath'

And if it was as expensive as Magnolias can be, IME
most people ask first as to whether or not it's suitable for their garden.
I do think some people *always* ask the appropriate questions in nurseries;
in some garden centres they'd be pushed to find someone who *could* answer
them.

I was after a male pernettya out of flowering season. GC had an
'information point' - they looked completely blank (despite having a
whole stand full of pernettyas).


--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

Personally, I am quite used to the most stupid of conclusions reached
by
supposedly PG students~~albeit under stress, in haste, and without time
for
further reflection. Last year:- " If your parents could not have
children
then you will also remain childless" [This was not the first time I had
seen
this statement]
"We forget how many of our ancestors died as young children, through
starvation"
This latter quote I initially passed and it only dawned on me some
minutes
later!!.

I'd have thought this quote was perfectly possible - just not in the
direct
line. Aunts and uncles etc., are ancestors, too. ;-)
I rather like "Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children".

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds after garden to email me)________________________
Thanks for responding. Uncles and Aunts are relatives. None of our
ancestors died childless. This was the trap I nearly fell into.
I wondered if the 'grandiflora' aspect just implied to them that the
flowers were large. On the other hand how many tyros understand any Latin
these days?
I agree re. our children. When they were young I thought them lovely
enough to eat. As teenagers I wished I had done!!
Grandchildren are different~ you can hand them back. Last week my 6 yr.o.
g.daughter walked in with a trug of flower trusses from the tomatoes ~~
having previously watched me removing side shoots!!. She is still my 'best
girl in the world'~~truly.
Thanks again Brian.

"Brian" wrote in message
...
Personally, I am quite used to the most stupid of conclusions reached
by
supposedly PG students~~albeit under stress, in haste, and without
time
for
further reflection. Last year:- " If your parents could not have
children
then you will also remain childless" [This was not the first time I
had
seen
this statement]
"We forget how many of our ancestors died as young children, through
starvation"
This latter quote I initially passed and it only dawned on me some
minutes
later!!.

I'd have thought this quote was perfectly possible - just not in the
direct
line. Aunts and uncles etc., are ancestors, too. ;-)
I rather like "Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children".

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds after garden to email me)________________________
Thanks for responding. Uncles and Aunts are relatives. None of our
ancestors died childless. This was the trap I nearly fell into.
I wondered if the 'grandiflora' aspect just implied to them that the
flowers were large. On the other hand how many tyros understand any Latin
these days?
I agree re. our children. When they were young I thought them lovely
enough to eat. As teenagers I wished I had done!!
Grandchildren are different~ you can hand them back. Last week my 6
yr.o.
g.daughter walked in with a trug of flower trusses from the tomatoes ~~
having previously watched me removing side shoots!!. She is still my 'best
girl in the world'~~truly.
Thanks again Brian.


I posted the question in all good faith, I thought grandiflora & goliath
referred to the flowers. I am a total novice to gardening, & am just feeling
my way along, much the same as with using my husbands computer. If I have
offended anyones sensibilities then I am truly sorry. & unfortunately I
can't take it back from where I bought it, so like it or lump it I am stuck
with it & must persevere to do my best.Thank-you for your replies though,
I'm just stupid I guess.

Subject: magnolia grandiflora goliath - help me please
From: "frazzled"
Date: 06/06/2004 20:50 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id:


I'm just stupid I guess.

No you're not. You're just a novice and got a bit confused with the gardening
language. I'm sure everyone here has made at least one mistake when they were
starting off, I know I did. And that was with my grandparents imparting their
gardening knowledge. Anyway, the NG is a little hypersensitive right now,
we've had a few more troll attacks than usual, it's not always like this.

Anyway, it's not that hard a mistake, I mean the names of plants can often have
little connection to reality. Just look at all the cross dressing hollies[g].


Anyway, if you can't take it back, can you sell it on ebay? Or find a
neighbour that might appreciate it? Always a good way to get to know gardening
neighbours offering plants and they might be able to pass on a few tips)
--
Rhiannon
http://www.livejournal.com/users/rhiannon_s/
"The trick is to commit crimes so confusing that police feel too stupid to even
write a crime report about them."
Aubrey on remaining at liberty
www.somethingpositive.net

"frazzled" wrote in message
...

"Brian" wrote in message
...
Personally, I am quite used to the most stupid of conclusions
reached
by
supposedly PG students~~albeit under stress, in haste, and without
time
for
further reflection. Last year:- " If your parents could not have
children
then you will also remain childless" [This was not the first time I
had
seen
this statement]
"We forget how many of our ancestors died as young children, through
starvation"
This latter quote I initially passed and it only dawned on me some
minutes
later!!.

I'd have thought this quote was perfectly possible - just not in the
direct
line. Aunts and uncles etc., are ancestors, too. ;-)
I rather like "Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children".

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds after garden to email me)________________________
Thanks for responding. Uncles and Aunts are relatives. None of our
ancestors died childless. This was the trap I nearly fell into.
I wondered if the 'grandiflora' aspect just implied to them that
the
flowers were large. On the other hand how many tyros understand any
Latin
these days?
I agree re. our children. When they were young I thought them lovely
enough to eat. As teenagers I wished I had done!!
Grandchildren are different~ you can hand them back. Last week my 6
yr.o.
g.daughter walked in with a trug of flower trusses from the tomatoes ~~
having previously watched me removing side shoots!!. She is still my
'best
girl in the world'~~truly.
Thanks again Brian.


I posted the question in all good faith, I thought grandiflora & goliath
referred to the flowers. I am a total novice to gardening, & am just
feeling
my way along, much the same as with using my husbands computer. If I have
offended anyones sensibilities then I am truly sorry. & unfortunately I
can't take it back from where I bought it, so like it or lump it I am
stuck
with it & must persevere to do my best.Thank-you for your replies though,
I'm just stupid I guess.
_____________________________
Thank you ~~ It was gracious of you to respond. We were all at that
stage at some time but tend to forget. Would be nice if you could find a
suitable home for it. ~ Must have been quite costly.
Best Wishes Brian.

In article , frazzled
writes


I posted the question in all good faith, I thought grandiflora & goliath
referred to the flowers.

Grandiflora does. You're just unlikely that this particular grandiflora
comes with a body to match ;-)

I am a total novice to gardening, & am just feeling
my way along, much the same as with using my husbands computer. If I have
offended anyones sensibilities then I am truly sorry. & unfortunately I
can't take it back from where I bought it, so like it or lump it I am stuck
with it & must persevere to do my best.Thank-you for your replies though,
I'm just stupid I guess.

No, not stupid. Just new to gardening, and having had an unthinking
moment All of us make silly mistakes, and we don't stop making them just
because we're more experienced.


--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

On 6/6/04 20:50, in article , "frazzled"
wrote:

snip
I posted the question in all good faith, I thought grandiflora & goliath
referred to the flowers. I am a total novice to gardening, & am just feeling
my way along, much the same as with using my husbands computer. If I have
offended anyones sensibilities then I am truly sorry. & unfortunately I
can't take it back from where I bought it, so like it or lump it I am stuck
with it & must persevere to do my best.Thank-you for your replies though,
I'm just stupid I guess.


LOL! Of *course* you haven't offended anyone but it did sound a bit
improbable! Could you give that Magnolia to someone as a present and get
another more suitable to the size of your garden, do you think? But at
least urg has given you one piece of advice, I hope, which will help you in
the future - if in doubt, ask before you buy! And if it's of any comfort to
you, you'd be a very strange gardener, beginner or not, who didn't make
mistakes! We all do and some of them are expensive ones.
I'm sorry I thought you might be a troll, we've had a rash of them lately
and it raises suspicions!

--

Sacha
(remove the weeds after garden to email me)

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:38:28 +0100, Sacha
wrote:


The OP may well be genuine but I don't think many people buy something of
that name without getting a clue as to its tendencies. 'grand' and 'goliath'
alone would be a hint.

To be fair, 'grandiflora' refers to the size of the blooms, not the
tree. (I looked it up :-) 'goliath', however, does seem fairly
obvious.

On 6/6/04 16:38, in article ,
"Sacha" wrote:

snip
I do think some people *always* ask the appropriate questions in nurseries;
snip Sigh - should be: "I don't* think some people..." etc.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds after garden to email me)

In article , Sacha
writes

The OP may well be genuine but I don't think many people buy something of
that name without getting a clue as to its tendencies. 'grand'


but the 'grand' was applied to the flowers!

and 'goliath'
alone would be a hint.

Yes - that was my reaction on seeing the 'goliath'

And if it was as expensive as Magnolias can be, IME
most people ask first as to whether or not it's suitable for their garden.
I do think some people *always* ask the appropriate questions in nurseries;
in some garden centres they'd be pushed to find someone who *could* answer
them.

I was after a male pernettya out of flowering season. GC had an
'information point' - they looked completely blank (despite having a
whole stand full of pernettyas).


--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

Personally, I am quite used to the most stupid of conclusions reached
by
supposedly PG students~~albeit under stress, in haste, and without time
for
further reflection. Last year:- " If your parents could not have
children
then you will also remain childless" [This was not the first time I had
seen
this statement]
"We forget how many of our ancestors died as young children, through
starvation"
This latter quote I initially passed and it only dawned on me some
minutes
later!!.

I'd have thought this quote was perfectly possible - just not in the
direct
line. Aunts and uncles etc., are ancestors, too. ;-)
I rather like "Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children".

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds after garden to email me)________________________
Thanks for responding. Uncles and Aunts are relatives. None of our
ancestors died childless. This was the trap I nearly fell into.
I wondered if the 'grandiflora' aspect just implied to them that the
flowers were large. On the other hand how many tyros understand any Latin
these days?
I agree re. our children. When they were young I thought them lovely
enough to eat. As teenagers I wished I had done!!
Grandchildren are different~ you can hand them back. Last week my 6 yr.o.
g.daughter walked in with a trug of flower trusses from the tomatoes ~~
having previously watched me removing side shoots!!. She is still my 'best
girl in the world'~~truly.
Thanks again Brian.

"Brian" wrote in message
...
Personally, I am quite used to the most stupid of conclusions reached
by
supposedly PG students~~albeit under stress, in haste, and without
time
for
further reflection. Last year:- " If your parents could not have
children
then you will also remain childless" [This was not the first time I
had
seen
this statement]
"We forget how many of our ancestors died as young children, through
starvation"
This latter quote I initially passed and it only dawned on me some
minutes
later!!.

I'd have thought this quote was perfectly possible - just not in the
direct
line. Aunts and uncles etc., are ancestors, too. ;-)
I rather like "Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children".

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds after garden to email me)________________________
Thanks for responding. Uncles and Aunts are relatives. None of our
ancestors died childless. This was the trap I nearly fell into.
I wondered if the 'grandiflora' aspect just implied to them that the
flowers were large. On the other hand how many tyros understand any Latin
these days?
I agree re. our children. When they were young I thought them lovely
enough to eat. As teenagers I wished I had done!!
Grandchildren are different~ you can hand them back. Last week my 6
yr.o.
g.daughter walked in with a trug of flower trusses from the tomatoes ~~
having previously watched me removing side shoots!!. She is still my 'best
girl in the world'~~truly.
Thanks again Brian.


I posted the question in all good faith, I thought grandiflora & goliath
referred to the flowers. I am a total novice to gardening, & am just feeling
my way along, much the same as with using my husbands computer. If I have
offended anyones sensibilities then I am truly sorry. & unfortunately I
can't take it back from where I bought it, so like it or lump it I am stuck
with it & must persevere to do my best.Thank-you for your replies though,
I'm just stupid I guess.

Subject: magnolia grandiflora goliath - help me please
From: "frazzled"
Date: 06/06/2004 20:50 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id:


I'm just stupid I guess.

No you're not. You're just a novice and got a bit confused with the gardening
language. I'm sure everyone here has made at least one mistake when they were
starting off, I know I did. And that was with my grandparents imparting their
gardening knowledge. Anyway, the NG is a little hypersensitive right now,
we've had a few more troll attacks than usual, it's not always like this.

Anyway, it's not that hard a mistake, I mean the names of plants can often have
little connection to reality. Just look at all the cross dressing hollies[g].


Anyway, if you can't take it back, can you sell it on ebay? Or find a
neighbour that might appreciate it? Always a good way to get to know gardening
neighbours offering plants and they might be able to pass on a few tips)
--
Rhiannon
http://www.livejournal.com/users/rhiannon_s/
"The trick is to commit crimes so confusing that police feel too stupid to even
write a crime report about them."
Aubrey on remaining at liberty
www.somethingpositive.net