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I am sick and tired of those dinky little plastic and aluminium
labels one sees in garden centres. One tug by an enthusiastic bird and it is lost. The plastic ones snap at the least touch with the hoe. To top it, they are invariably too small. I have taken the bird by the horns and have made a number of 8" long prospective labels from 1 cm half-round hardwood moulding. So far I have painted the working surface white with a waterbased primer. Now comes the problem of putting the name on the label. In days of yore, one used to buy a bottle of Hartleys black ink and wrote the name, using an old-fashioned steam pen. The labels used to last for many seasons. I don't see the ink for sale any more, and the rubbish which garden centres sell as waterproof pens produce neat writing which does not survive the first winter. The stuff sold as Indian ink for use in draughtsmen's pens also wash off as soon as you spit on it. So here is my question: What do I do to write on my well-designed labels which will last for at least three seasons? Franz |
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On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:49:38 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: snip ~ So here is my question: What do I do to write on my well-designed ~labels which will last for at least three seasons? ~ I use pencils these days. Gave up on the pens too, as I find I'm growing the invisible man after a few weeks. Biro is pretty hardwearing on the plastic tags, but the foxcubs like to bite them in two :) You could use an awl to scratch names on, then ink in the grooves. -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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~ So here is my question: What do I do to write on my well-designed ~labels which will last for at least three seasons? ~ I use pencils these days. Gave up on the pens too, as I find I'm growing the invisible man after a few weeks. Biro is pretty hardwearing on the plastic tags, but the foxcubs like to bite them in two :) You could use an awl to scratch names on, then ink in the grooves. I am planning on making some wooden ones and burning the names on. |
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... I am sick and tired of those dinky little plastic and aluminium labels one sees in garden centres. One tug by an enthusiastic bird and it is lost. The plastic ones snap at the least touch with the hoe. To top it, they are invariably too small. Wooden lollipop sticks? I get a regular supply thanks to my 4 and a half year old daughter. regards Don |
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I use coloured labels: Each colour represents a variety. e.g. Red = Red
Alert, Blue = Alicante . . . "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... I am sick and tired of those dinky little plastic and aluminium labels one sees in garden centres. One tug by an enthusiastic bird and it is lost. The plastic ones snap at the least touch with the hoe. To top it, they are invariably too small. ===========cut=========== |
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On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:53:24 GMT, Kate Morgan
wrote: I am planning on making some wooden ones and burning the names on. I like it ;-) I think Pyrography pens are not all that expensive now. If your artistic side takes over you can embellish them to your hearts content. Rod Weed my address to reply http://website.lineone.net/~rodcraddock/index.html |
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In article , Franz Heymann
writes I have taken the bird by the horns and have made a number of 8" long prospective labels from 1 cm half-round hardwood moulding. So far I have painted the working surface white with a waterbased primer. Now comes the problem of putting the name on the label. In days of yore, one used to buy a bottle of Hartleys black ink and wrote the name, using an old-fashioned steam pen. The labels used to last for many seasons. I don't see the ink for sale any more, and the rubbish which garden centres sell as waterproof pens produce neat writing which does not survive the first winter. The stuff sold as Indian ink for use in draughtsmen's pens also wash off as soon as you spit on it. So here is my question: What do I do to write on my well-designed labels which will last for at least three seasons? What about sing one of those pyrography pens which people use to burn designs on to wood? They're not outrageously expensive nowadays. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:44:47 +0100, Kay
wrote: In article , Franz Heymann writes I have taken the bird by the horns and have made a number of 8" long prospective labels from 1 cm half-round hardwood moulding. So far I have painted the working surface white with a waterbased primer. Now comes the problem of putting the name on the label. In days of yore, one used to buy a bottle of Hartleys black ink and wrote the name, using an old-fashioned steam pen. The labels used to last for many seasons. I don't see the ink for sale any more, and the rubbish which garden centres sell as waterproof pens produce neat writing which does not survive the first winter. The stuff sold as Indian ink for use in draughtsmen's pens also wash off as soon as you spit on it. So here is my question: What do I do to write on my well-designed labels which will last for at least three seasons? What about sing one of those pyrography pens which people use to burn designs on to wood? They're not outrageously expensive nowadays. ============================================= The Pyrographt Pen seems to be a good idea. I looked them up on the internet and found - what I consider to be a cheap source - at http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=020301 To go a step further though; I wonder if the pen will work on plastic? For a long time I've used sliced up washing-up liquid bottles for labels - to the appropriate shape - and written on them in 'permanent' marker. To combine the two methods may be worth trying, but experience of this news group has shown me that most things have already been tried by some other 'Urg.' So I'd appreciate your input. Thank you. John. =========================================== |
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 10:26:34 GMT, John
wrote: The Pyrographt Pen seems to be a good idea. I looked them up on the internet and found - what I consider to be a cheap source - at http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=020301 Since you mention it, Axminster are excellent suppliers for a very wide range of tools and machines. Been using them for years for my woodworking tools. Good stuff, good service and some of the best prices in the business. Rod Weed my address to reply http://website.lineone.net/~rodcraddock/index.html |
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To go a step further though; I wonder if the pen will work on plastic? dont see why it should not work, I have an old pen somewhere if I can find it I will give it a go. kate |
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Since you mention it, Axminster are excellent suppliers for a very wide range of tools and machines. Been using them for years for my woodworking tools. Good stuff, good service and some of the best prices in the business. Rod I agree with that, they are good, my other half buys all his toys sorry tools from them :-) |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote
** anyone know if the modern computer printed equivalent lasts as long equivalent lasts as long outside The heat-set laminated labels are very good. In particular the Dymo one with 3 layers, the clear layer over the top, is very resistent, although the colours are not UV proof. They will fade in full sun, but not as qickly as typed or inkjet printed labels. I've used the Dymo 4000 labels on towed underwater equipment. Wrapped round underwater equipment and covered with ordinary clear parcel tape they easily survive being towed around for a year. |
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"......... I have taken the bird by the horns and have made a number of 8"
long prospective labels from 1 cm half-round hardwood moulding. So far I have painted the working surface white with a waterbased primer ..........." 2 possible answers, 1. Write on the label with a permanent black marker then put the label upside down into the ground so the light cant fade the ink. 2. If the wood you have used is dark then write with either a white marker pen or a chinagraph pencil. I find that if the plant dies then the label stays legible for years, but if the plant lives then the label fades inside a year, making me wonder if there is something that the plants give off that helps to fade the ink. Personally I use "bog standard" HB pencils on plastic labels. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
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On 3 Jul 2004 05:44:21 -0700, Robert E A Harvey wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote ** anyone know if the modern computer printed equivalent lasts as long equivalent lasts as long outside The heat-set laminated labels are very good. In particular the Dymo one with 3 layers, the clear layer over the top, is very resistent, although the colours are not UV proof. They will fade in full sun, but not as qickly as typed or inkjet printed labels. I've used the Dymo 4000 labels on towed underwater equipment. Wrapped round underwater equipment and covered with ordinary clear parcel tape they easily survive being towed around for a year. Dymo labels stick like limpets if you coat the substrate with contact cement before applying them. I use dymo labels on foot-long pieces of aluminum strip (1/8" x 1/2"), using contact cement precoating on the aluminum, and in the ten or fifteen years I've been doing this, only one has come off. Yes, most dymo labels fade in time, but being embossed you can still read them. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada [change "atlantic" to "pacific" and "invalid" to "net" to reply by email] |
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from "David Hill" contains these words: I find that if the plant dies then the label stays legible for years, but if the plant lives then the label fades inside a year, making me wonder if there is something that the plants give off that helps to fade the ink. Personally I use "bog standard" HB pencils on plastic labels. LOL. For anything I hope will be a permanent fixture, like azaleas or clematis, I use a thin but indestructible copper label (sold by Lakeland Plastics) indented by a biro. Anything else like seeds or cuttings gets a plastic label and pencil. Pencil lasts far longer than "indelible" marker pens ime. However, I'm so mean and idle I use each plastic label four times (both sides, both ends) before cleaning them off with a brillo pad and starting again. Unfortunately, the plastic usually breaks during their second lifespan :-( Janet |
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"Rod" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:53:24 GMT, Kate Morgan wrote: I am planning on making some wooden ones and burning the names on. I like it ;-) I think Pyrography pens are not all that expensive now. If your artistic side takes over you can embellish them to your hearts content. How does a pyrography pen work? What do you call expensive in this context? Where does one get one? Franz |
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"John" wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:44:47 +0100, Kay wrote: In article , Franz Heymann writes I have taken the bird by the horns and have made a number of 8" long prospective labels from 1 cm half-round hardwood moulding. So far I have painted the working surface white with a waterbased primer. Now comes the problem of putting the name on the label. In days of yore, one used to buy a bottle of Hartleys black ink and wrote the name, using an old-fashioned steam pen. The labels used to last for many seasons. I don't see the ink for sale any more, and the rubbish which garden centres sell as waterproof pens produce neat writing which does not survive the first winter. The stuff sold as Indian ink for use in draughtsmen's pens also wash off as soon as you spit on it. So here is my question: What do I do to write on my well-designed labels which will last for at least three seasons? What about sing one of those pyrography pens which people use to burn designs on to wood? They're not outrageously expensive nowadays. ============================================= The Pyrographt Pen seems to be a good idea. I looked them up on the internet and found - what I consider to be a cheap source - at http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=020301 To go a step further though; I wonder if the pen will work on plastic? Thanks for the URL. I have just ordered one, and will post my experience with it soon after it has arrived. For a long time I've used sliced up washing-up liquid bottles for labels - to the appropriate shape - and written on them in 'permanent' marker. To combine the two methods may be worth trying, but experience of this news group has shown me that most things have already been tried by some other 'Urg.' So I'd appreciate your input. Franz |
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In article , Franz Heymann
writes "Rod" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:53:24 GMT, Kate Morgan wrote: I am planning on making some wooden ones and burning the names on. I like it ;-) I think Pyrography pens are not all that expensive now. If your artistic side takes over you can embellish them to your hearts content. How does a pyrography pen work? I think it's basically a mini soldering iron - presumably with better tip and good heat control. What do you call expensive in this context? Where does one get one? A good craft shop. Try John Body (not sure of the spelling but the sound is the same) at Boroughbridge. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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In article , Rod rodcraddoc
writes On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 10:26:34 GMT, John wrote: The Pyrographt Pen seems to be a good idea. I looked them up on the internet and found - what I consider to be a cheap source - at http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=020301 Since you mention it, Axminster are excellent suppliers for a very wide range of tools and machines. Been using them for years for my woodworking tools. Good stuff, good service and some of the best prices in the business. And supplement with Screwfix for all the bits and pieces -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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In article , Janet Baraclough.
.. writes LOL. For anything I hope will be a permanent fixture, like azaleas or clematis, I use a thin but indestructible copper label (sold by Lakeland Plastics) indented by a biro. Anything else like seeds or cuttings gets a plastic label and pencil. Pencil lasts far longer than "indelible" marker pens ime. However, I'm so mean and idle I use each plastic label four times (both sides, both ends) before cleaning them off with a brillo pad and starting again. I find spit and a firm rub with a finger works perfectly well. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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"Kay" wrote in message ... In article , Franz Heymann writes "Rod" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:53:24 GMT, Kate Morgan wrote: I am planning on making some wooden ones and burning the names on. I like it ;-) I think Pyrography pens are not all that expensive now. If your artistic side takes over you can embellish them to your hearts content. How does a pyrography pen work? I think it's basically a mini soldering iron - presumably with better tip and good heat control. That's right. The URL which John gave had a good illustration. In fact, in my working days I used to have a soldering iron which was the twin of the one in the picture. What do you call expensive in this context? Where does one get one? A good craft shop. Try John Body (not sure of the spelling but the sound is the same) at Boroughbridge. Franz |
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"Kay" wrote in message ... In article , Janet Baraclough. . writes LOL. For anything I hope will be a permanent fixture, like azaleas or clematis, I use a thin but indestructible copper label (sold by Lakeland Plastics) indented by a biro. Anything else like seeds or cuttings gets a plastic label and pencil. Pencil lasts far longer than "indelible" marker pens ime. However, I'm so mean and idle I use each plastic label four times (both sides, both ends) before cleaning them off with a brillo pad and starting again. I find spit and a firm rub with a finger works perfectly well. Which closes the circle: That is essentially why I am looking for an actual permament method. {:-) To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is where in the garden as a backup for the labels? Who keeps them on a computer? Franz |
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In article , Franz Heymann
writes To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is where in the garden as a backup for the labels? I did start doing this, but it's way too much effort - when you've come in with soil covered hands after a planting session, the last thing you want to do is update your planting maps. I rely on it all being in my brain ... which means every so often I have to get the books out and re-identify ;-) Who keeps them on a computer? I put a plantlist on my web site, but I think it's about 4 years out of date now ;-) -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is where in the garden as a backup for the labels? Ermm...I keep meaning to. I really do. Does that count? I used to keep a list of every plant I'd bought, but it was too incriminating so I gave up. Janet. |
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(jane) wrote: Biro is pretty hardwearing on the plastic tags, but the foxcubs like to bite them in two :) Surely the answer is a head-mounted GPS receiver connected to a belt PDA? - Plant the plant - Stand by it and type in the name - Can later find it even in snow :-) Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com A useful bit of gardening software at http://www.netservs.com/garden/ |
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In article , Janet Baraclough.
.. writes The message from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is where in the garden as a backup for the labels? Ermm...I keep meaning to. I really do. Does that count? I used to keep a list of every plant I'd bought, but it was too incriminating so I gave up. Do you remember David Poole's comment 'I never give up on a plant until I have really and truly killed it three times'? -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in message ... The message from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is where in the garden as a backup for the labels? Ermm...I keep meaning to. I really do. Me too. Does that count? It's the intention that counts.............. I used to keep a list of every plant I'd bought, but it was too incriminating so I gave up. Me too. Franz |
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On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 06:45:39 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: snip other quotes ~Which closes the circle: That is essentially why I am looking for an ~actual permament method. ~{:-) ~ ~To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is ~where in the garden as a backup for the labels? ~Who keeps them on a computer? Um. Me :) I photograph everything with the digicam. The allotment pics usually make it to my blog, and I've got plans for each plot on the PC so I can keep track of the rotations. They can also be printed out easily, stuck in a document wallet and taken up there so I can see what needs to get planted where. Garden's slightly different as it's such a mess this year and every time I plant something the undergardener digs it up again and then wonders why I'm shouting at her. But the photos are there, nonetheless. Least she can't dig the front. You need a pickaxe under the sycamores to dig anything and even small cats don't tend to come with one of those. :-) -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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Janet Baraclough.. wrote in
: I use a thin but indestructible copper label (sold by Lakeland Plastics) indented by a biro. Anything else like seeds or cuttings gets a plastic label and pencil. I use copper labels for everything. If you turn the label over and give them a good hard rub with the rounded end of the biro, you can re-use it almost indefinitely. Also the copper annoys the slugs ;-) Some copper labels seem to use 'harder' copper than others: I like the squishier ones because they are easier to blank. Victoria -- gardening on a north-facing hill in South-East Cornwall -- |
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"jane" wrote in message ... On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 06:45:39 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: snip other quotes ~Which closes the circle: That is essentially why I am looking for an ~actual permament method. ~{:-) ~ ~To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is ~where in the garden as a backup for the labels? ~Who keeps them on a computer? Um. Me :) I photograph everything with the digicam. The allotment pics usually make it to my blog, and I've got plans for each plot on the PC so I can keep track of the rotations. I do that too. Different colours for the paths etc, and use the cells of an exel doc to keep track of the rows etc. But as to the labelling question, I bought a plant at an open garden and the label was a white plastic one which had been painted matt black, and the details scratched into the paint with a nail, giving white lettering on a black background. It looks really classy and professional. Steve |
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"Victoria Clare" wrote in message .206... Janet Baraclough.. wrote in : I use a thin but indestructible copper label (sold by Lakeland Plastics) indented by a biro. Anything else like seeds or cuttings gets a plastic label and pencil. I use copper labels for everything. If you turn the label over and give them a good hard rub with the rounded end of the biro, you can re-use it almost indefinitely. Also the copper annoys the slugs ;-) Some copper labels seem to use 'harder' copper than others: I like the squishier ones because they are easier to blank. Victoria -- gardening on a north-facing hill in South-East Cornwall -- ****** What's all the panic?. I use ordinary white thickish plastic labels and write on them with a Staedtler Permanent Lumocolour F or M ( fine or medium).felt-tipped pen. Five years of tests with different labels nailed to a sunny fence for my friend the local Stationery shopkeeper are still there and as good as when they were written. Some of my young pears and plum trees have the same plastic labels with the date 1988 printed on them and they are still well readable though stained quite a bit. They are tied on with thin plastic covered wire. I use B&Q thin covered wire , caged and wrapped inside a bobbin mounted on a stiff card. The tail end comes out of a hole in the front grille and is cut to length by a tin knife on the bottom of the card.. I sling it from my neck to chest height. I have about 45 clematis up my fences and walls, many roses, including climbers, passion flowers, one big wandering Blackberry fifteen feet either side of the stem.And that's just the north side adjoining the Neighbour thugs from Hell in the adjoining semi. Dotted along the fence also are ten-year old plums and a Greengage. Folks! - you just gotta mosey down that there garden centre and order one of these greengages called Dennistoun's Superb and are grafted on to Pixy rootstock. Mind you, - there's a wait of a year or six before they start fruiting. In the middle of the garden is my ham radio mast. . In the small plot at its foot are planted Wisteria Synopsis, and montana type clematis, - plus about five other clemati: several tea-roses and ramblers. Near that is a high pyracantha, pruned and sheared through the years to assume a flat diamond shape and stands transverse across the garden, half -way along. Alongside that is a high double boled (not 'poled') flowering cherry tree. All are clothed with clematis. Everything in my garden including the front are labelled. I get angry with myself when I can't immediately state what the plant's name is. I used to keep a book but the constant changes made a nonsense of it. Doug. ****** |
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"Douglas" wrote in message ... "Victoria Clare" wrote in message .206... Janet Baraclough.. wrote in : I use a thin but indestructible copper label (sold by Lakeland Plastics) indented by a biro. Anything else like seeds or cuttings gets a plastic label and pencil. I use copper labels for everything. If you turn the label over and give them a good hard rub with the rounded end of the biro, you can re-use it almost indefinitely. Also the copper annoys the slugs ;-) Some copper labels seem to use 'harder' copper than others: I like the squishier ones because they are easier to blank. Victoria -- gardening on a north-facing hill in South-East Cornwall -- ****** What's all the panic?. I use ordinary white thickish plastic labels and write on them with a Staedtler Permanent Lumocolour F or M ( fine or medium).felt-tipped pen. Five years of tests with different labels nailed to a sunny fence for my friend the local Stationery shopkeeper are still there and as good as when they were written. Some of my young pears and plum trees have the same plastic labels with the date 1988 printed on them and they are still well readable though stained quite a bit. They are tied on with thin plastic covered wire. I use B&Q thin covered wire , caged and wrapped inside a bobbin mounted on a stiff card. The tail end comes out of a hole in the front grille and is cut to length by a tin knife on the bottom of the card.. I sling it from my neck to chest height. I have about 45 clematis up my fences and walls, many roses, including climbers, passion flowers, one big wandering Blackberry fifteen feet either side of the stem.And that's just the north side adjoining the Neighbour thugs from Hell in the adjoining semi. Dotted along the fence also are ten-year old plums and a Greengage. Folks! - you just gotta mosey down that there garden centre and order one of these greengages called Dennistoun's Superb and are grafted on to Pixy rootstock. Mind you, - there's a wait of a year or six before they start fruiting. In the middle of the garden is my ham radio mast. . In the small plot at its foot are planted *Wisteria Synopsis, and montana type clematis, - plus about five other clemati: several tea-roses and ramblers. Near that is a high pyracantha, pruned and sheared through the years to assume a flat diamond shape and stands transverse across the garden, half -way along. Alongside that is a high double boled (not 'poled') flowering cherry tree. All are clothed with clematis. Everything in my garden including the front are labelled. I get angry with myself when I can't immediately state what the plant's name is. I used to keep a book but the constant changes made a nonsense of it. Doug. ****** *"Wisteria Synopsis?" - how silly!, - but it wasn't me as done it guv! - it wuz this 'yer Spell-checker, 'onest!. Wisteria Synensis Doug. ****** |
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On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 06:45:39 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "Kay" wrote in message ... In article , Janet Baraclough. . writes LOL. For anything I hope will be a permanent fixture, like azaleas or clematis, I use a thin but indestructible copper label (sold by Lakeland Plastics) indented by a biro. Anything else like seeds or cuttings gets a plastic label and pencil. Pencil lasts far longer than "indelible" marker pens ime. However, I'm so mean and idle I use each plastic label four times (both sides, both ends) before cleaning them off with a brillo pad and starting again. I find spit and a firm rub with a finger works perfectly well. Which closes the circle: That is essentially why I am looking for an actual permament method. {:-) To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is where in the garden as a backup for the labels? Who keeps them on a computer? We've taken to systematically photographing the whole garden several times a year. We keep the images on the computer. -- Martin |
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On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:59:33 GMT, Frogleg wrote:
~On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 08:19:16 +0000 (UTC), (jane) wrote: ~ ~On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 06:45:39 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: ~ ~~To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is ~~where in the garden as a backup for the labels? ~~Who keeps them on a computer? ~ ~Um. Me :) ~I photograph everything with the digicam. The allotment pics usually ~make it to my blog, and I've got plans for each plot on the PC so I ~can keep track of the rotations. ~ ~URL? http://www.moonbells.com/ I'm a couple of weeks behind... not been up much recently for one reason or another, but thankfully Him Upstairs has been doing the watering for me :) -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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