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Franz Heymann 02-07-2004 10:04 PM

Labelling
 
I am sick and tired of those dinky little plastic and aluminium
labels one sees in garden centres. One tug by an enthusiastic bird
and it is lost. The plastic ones snap at the least touch with the
hoe. To top it, they are invariably too small.

I have taken the bird by the horns and have made a number of 8"
long prospective labels from 1 cm half-round hardwood moulding. So
far I have painted the working surface white with a waterbased primer.

Now comes the problem of putting the name on the label. In days
of yore, one used to buy a bottle of Hartleys black ink and wrote the
name, using an old-fashioned steam pen. The labels used to last for
many seasons. I don't see the ink for sale any more, and the rubbish
which garden centres sell as waterproof pens produce neat writing
which does not survive the first winter. The stuff sold as Indian ink
for use in draughtsmen's pens also wash off as soon as you spit on it.

So here is my question: What do I do to write on my well-designed
labels which will last for at least three seasons?

Franz



jane 02-07-2004 11:03 PM

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On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:49:38 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:

snip

~ So here is my question: What do I do to write on my well-designed
~labels which will last for at least three seasons?
~
I use pencils these days. Gave up on the pens too, as I find I'm
growing the invisible man after a few weeks. Biro is pretty
hardwearing on the plastic tags, but the foxcubs like to bite them in
two :)

You could use an awl to scratch names on, then ink in the grooves.

--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!

Kate Morgan 02-07-2004 11:03 PM

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~ So here is my question: What do I do to write on my well-designed
~labels which will last for at least three seasons?
~
I use pencils these days. Gave up on the pens too, as I find I'm
growing the invisible man after a few weeks. Biro is pretty
hardwearing on the plastic tags, but the foxcubs like to bite them in
two :)

You could use an awl to scratch names on, then ink in the grooves.


I am planning on making some wooden ones and burning the names on.

Bob Hobden 02-07-2004 11:03 PM

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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
I am sick and tired of those dinky little plastic and aluminium
labels one sees in garden centres. One tug by an enthusiastic bird
and it is lost. The plastic ones snap at the least touch with the
hoe. To top it, they are invariably too small.

I have taken the bird by the horns and have made a number of 8"
long prospective labels from 1 cm half-round hardwood moulding. So
far I have painted the working surface white with a waterbased primer.


Now comes the problem of putting the name on the label. In days
of yore, one used to buy a bottle of Hartleys black ink and wrote the
name, using an old-fashioned steam pen. The labels used to last for
many seasons. I don't see the ink for sale any more, and the rubbish
which garden centres sell as waterproof pens produce neat writing
which does not survive the first winter. The stuff sold as Indian ink
for use in draughtsmen's pens also wash off as soon as you spit on it.

So here is my question: What do I do to write on my well-designed
labels which will last for at least three seasons?

Old fashioned 9mm Dymo tape, if it's still available**. Lasts for years on
the allotments, certainly longer than the home made wooden labels I make to
put them on, which in turn last longer than the plastic ones.

** anyone know if the modern computer printed equivalent lasts as long
outside
--
Regards
Bob

Some photos of my plants at.....





Don 03-07-2004 03:04 AM

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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...
I am sick and tired of those dinky little plastic and aluminium
labels one sees in garden centres. One tug by an enthusiastic bird
and it is lost. The plastic ones snap at the least touch with the
hoe. To top it, they are invariably too small.


Wooden lollipop sticks? I get a regular supply thanks to my 4 and a half
year old daughter.

regards
Don



pronoun 03-07-2004 05:03 AM

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I use coloured labels: Each colour represents a variety. e.g. Red = Red
Alert, Blue = Alicante . . .

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...
I am sick and tired of those dinky little plastic and aluminium
labels one sees in garden centres. One tug by an enthusiastic bird
and it is lost. The plastic ones snap at the least touch with the
hoe. To top it, they are invariably too small.

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Rod 03-07-2004 11:02 AM

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On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:53:24 GMT, Kate Morgan
wrote:


I am planning on making some wooden ones and burning the names on.


I like it ;-) I think Pyrography pens are not all that expensive now.
If your artistic side takes over you can embellish them to your hearts
content.
Rod

Weed my address to reply

http://website.lineone.net/~rodcraddock/index.html

Kay 03-07-2004 11:05 AM

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In article , Franz Heymann
writes

I have taken the bird by the horns and have made a number of 8"
long prospective labels from 1 cm half-round hardwood moulding. So
far I have painted the working surface white with a waterbased primer.

Now comes the problem of putting the name on the label. In days
of yore, one used to buy a bottle of Hartleys black ink and wrote the
name, using an old-fashioned steam pen. The labels used to last for
many seasons. I don't see the ink for sale any more, and the rubbish
which garden centres sell as waterproof pens produce neat writing
which does not survive the first winter. The stuff sold as Indian ink
for use in draughtsmen's pens also wash off as soon as you spit on it.

So here is my question: What do I do to write on my well-designed
labels which will last for at least three seasons?

What about sing one of those pyrography pens which people use to burn
designs on to wood? They're not outrageously expensive nowadays.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


John 03-07-2004 12:05 PM

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On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:44:47 +0100, Kay
wrote:

In article , Franz Heymann
writes

I have taken the bird by the horns and have made a number of 8"
long prospective labels from 1 cm half-round hardwood moulding. So
far I have painted the working surface white with a waterbased primer.

Now comes the problem of putting the name on the label. In days
of yore, one used to buy a bottle of Hartleys black ink and wrote the
name, using an old-fashioned steam pen. The labels used to last for
many seasons. I don't see the ink for sale any more, and the rubbish
which garden centres sell as waterproof pens produce neat writing
which does not survive the first winter. The stuff sold as Indian ink
for use in draughtsmen's pens also wash off as soon as you spit on it.

So here is my question: What do I do to write on my well-designed
labels which will last for at least three seasons?

What about sing one of those pyrography pens which people use to burn
designs on to wood? They're not outrageously expensive nowadays.

=============================================
The Pyrographt Pen seems to be a good idea. I looked them up on
the internet and found - what I consider to be a cheap source - at

http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=020301

To go a step further though; I wonder if the pen will
work on plastic?

For a long time I've used sliced up washing-up liquid bottles for
labels - to the appropriate shape - and written on them in
'permanent' marker.

To combine the two methods may be worth trying, but experience
of this news group has shown me that most things have already been
tried by some other 'Urg.' So I'd appreciate your input.

Thank you.

John.
===========================================



Rod 03-07-2004 02:03 PM

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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 10:26:34 GMT, John
wrote:


The Pyrographt Pen seems to be a good idea. I looked them up on
the internet and found - what I consider to be a cheap source - at

http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=020301

Since you mention it, Axminster are excellent suppliers for a very
wide range of tools and machines. Been using them for years for my
woodworking tools. Good stuff, good service and some of the best
prices in the business.

Rod

Weed my address to reply

http://website.lineone.net/~rodcraddock/index.html

Kate Morgan 03-07-2004 02:03 PM

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To go a step further though; I wonder if the pen will
work on plastic?

dont see why it should not work, I have an old pen somewhere if I can
find it I will give it a go.

kate

Kate Morgan 03-07-2004 02:03 PM

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Since you mention it, Axminster are excellent suppliers for a very
wide range of tools and machines. Been using them for years for my
woodworking tools. Good stuff, good service and some of the best
prices in the business.

Rod

I agree with that, they are good, my other half buys all his toys sorry
tools from them :-)

Robert E A Harvey 03-07-2004 02:03 PM

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"Bob Hobden" wrote
** anyone know if the modern computer printed equivalent lasts as long
equivalent lasts as long outside


The heat-set laminated labels are very good. In particular the Dymo
one with 3 layers, the clear layer over the top, is very resistent,
although the colours are not UV proof. They will fade in full sun,
but not as qickly as typed or inkjet printed labels.

I've used the Dymo 4000 labels on towed underwater equipment. Wrapped
round underwater equipment and covered with ordinary clear parcel tape
they easily survive being towed around for a year.

David Hill 03-07-2004 03:11 PM

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"......... I have taken the bird by the horns and have made a number of 8"
long prospective labels from 1 cm half-round hardwood moulding. So far I
have painted the working surface white with a waterbased primer ..........."

2 possible answers,
1. Write on the label with a permanent black marker then put the label
upside down into the ground so the light cant fade the ink.
2. If the wood you have used is dark then write with either a white marker
pen or a chinagraph pencil.

I find that if the plant dies then the label stays legible for years, but if
the plant lives then the label fades inside a year, making me wonder if
there is something that the plants give off that helps to fade the ink.

Personally I use "bog standard" HB pencils on plastic labels.
--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk





Rodger Whitlock 03-07-2004 07:02 PM

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On 3 Jul 2004 05:44:21 -0700, Robert E A Harvey wrote:

"Bob Hobden" wrote
** anyone know if the modern computer printed equivalent lasts as long
equivalent lasts as long outside


The heat-set laminated labels are very good. In particular the Dymo
one with 3 layers, the clear layer over the top, is very resistent,
although the colours are not UV proof. They will fade in full sun,
but not as qickly as typed or inkjet printed labels.

I've used the Dymo 4000 labels on towed underwater equipment. Wrapped
round underwater equipment and covered with ordinary clear parcel tape
they easily survive being towed around for a year.


Dymo labels stick like limpets if you coat the substrate with
contact cement before applying them. I use dymo labels on
foot-long pieces of aluminum strip (1/8" x 1/2"), using contact
cement precoating on the aluminum, and in the ten or fifteen
years I've been doing this, only one has come off.

Yes, most dymo labels fade in time, but being embossed you can
still read them.


--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
[change "atlantic" to "pacific" and
"invalid" to "net" to reply by email]

Janet Baraclough.. 03-07-2004 09:02 PM

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The message
from "David Hill" contains these
words:


I find that if the plant dies then the label stays legible for years, but if
the plant lives then the label fades inside a year, making me wonder if
there is something that the plants give off that helps to fade the ink.


Personally I use "bog standard" HB pencils on plastic labels.


LOL. For anything I hope will be a permanent fixture, like azaleas or
clematis, I use a thin but indestructible copper label (sold by Lakeland
Plastics) indented by a biro. Anything else like seeds or cuttings gets
a plastic label and pencil. Pencil lasts far longer than "indelible"
marker pens ime.

However, I'm so mean and idle I use each plastic label four times
(both sides, both ends) before cleaning them off with a brillo pad and
starting again. Unfortunately, the plastic usually breaks during their
second lifespan :-(

Janet





Franz Heymann 03-07-2004 09:03 PM

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"Rod" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:53:24 GMT, Kate Morgan
wrote:


I am planning on making some wooden ones and burning the names on.


I like it ;-) I think Pyrography pens are not all that expensive

now.
If your artistic side takes over you can embellish them to your

hearts
content.


How does a pyrography pen work?
What do you call expensive in this context?
Where does one get one?

Franz



Franz Heymann 03-07-2004 09:03 PM

Labelling
 

"John" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:44:47 +0100, Kay
wrote:

In article , Franz Heymann
writes

I have taken the bird by the horns and have made a number of

8"
long prospective labels from 1 cm half-round hardwood moulding.

So
far I have painted the working surface white with a waterbased

primer.

Now comes the problem of putting the name on the label. In

days
of yore, one used to buy a bottle of Hartleys black ink and wrote

the
name, using an old-fashioned steam pen. The labels used to last

for
many seasons. I don't see the ink for sale any more, and the

rubbish
which garden centres sell as waterproof pens produce neat writing
which does not survive the first winter. The stuff sold as Indian

ink
for use in draughtsmen's pens also wash off as soon as you spit on

it.

So here is my question: What do I do to write on my

well-designed
labels which will last for at least three seasons?

What about sing one of those pyrography pens which people use to

burn
designs on to wood? They're not outrageously expensive nowadays.

=============================================
The Pyrographt Pen seems to be a good idea. I looked them up on
the internet and found - what I consider to be a cheap source - at

http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=020301

To go a step further though; I wonder if the pen will
work on plastic?


Thanks for the URL. I have just ordered one, and will post my
experience with it soon after it has arrived.

For a long time I've used sliced up washing-up liquid bottles for
labels - to the appropriate shape - and written on them in
'permanent' marker.

To combine the two methods may be worth trying, but experience
of this news group has shown me that most things have already been
tried by some other 'Urg.' So I'd appreciate your input.


Franz



Kay 03-07-2004 10:04 PM

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In article , Franz Heymann
writes

"Rod" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:53:24 GMT, Kate Morgan
wrote:


I am planning on making some wooden ones and burning the names on.


I like it ;-) I think Pyrography pens are not all that expensive

now.
If your artistic side takes over you can embellish them to your

hearts
content.


How does a pyrography pen work?


I think it's basically a mini soldering iron - presumably with better
tip and good heat control.

What do you call expensive in this context?
Where does one get one?


A good craft shop. Try John Body (not sure of the spelling but the sound
is the same) at Boroughbridge.

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


Kay 03-07-2004 10:04 PM

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In article , Rod rodcraddoc
writes
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 10:26:34 GMT, John
wrote:


The Pyrographt Pen seems to be a good idea. I looked them up on
the internet and found - what I consider to be a cheap source - at

http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=020301

Since you mention it, Axminster are excellent suppliers for a very
wide range of tools and machines. Been using them for years for my
woodworking tools. Good stuff, good service and some of the best
prices in the business.

And supplement with Screwfix for all the bits and pieces
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


Kay 03-07-2004 10:04 PM

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In article , Janet Baraclough.
.. writes

LOL. For anything I hope will be a permanent fixture, like azaleas or
clematis, I use a thin but indestructible copper label (sold by Lakeland
Plastics) indented by a biro. Anything else like seeds or cuttings gets
a plastic label and pencil. Pencil lasts far longer than "indelible"
marker pens ime.

However, I'm so mean and idle I use each plastic label four times
(both sides, both ends) before cleaning them off with a brillo pad and
starting again.


I find spit and a firm rub with a finger works perfectly well.

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


Franz Heymann 04-07-2004 08:04 AM

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"Kay" wrote in message
...
In article , Franz Heymann
writes

"Rod" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:53:24 GMT, Kate Morgan
wrote:


I am planning on making some wooden ones and burning the names

on.

I like it ;-) I think Pyrography pens are not all that expensive

now.
If your artistic side takes over you can embellish them to your

hearts
content.


How does a pyrography pen work?


I think it's basically a mini soldering iron - presumably with

better
tip and good heat control.


That's right.
The URL which John gave had a good illustration.
In fact, in my working days I used to have a soldering iron which was
the twin of the one in the picture.

What do you call expensive in this context?
Where does one get one?


A good craft shop. Try John Body (not sure of the spelling but the

sound
is the same) at Boroughbridge.


Franz



Franz Heymann 04-07-2004 08:04 AM

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"Kay" wrote in message
...
In article , Janet

Baraclough.
. writes

LOL. For anything I hope will be a permanent fixture, like

azaleas or
clematis, I use a thin but indestructible copper label (sold by

Lakeland
Plastics) indented by a biro. Anything else like seeds or cuttings

gets
a plastic label and pencil. Pencil lasts far longer than

"indelible"
marker pens ime.

However, I'm so mean and idle I use each plastic label four times
(both sides, both ends) before cleaning them off with a brillo pad

and
starting again.


I find spit and a firm rub with a finger works perfectly well.


Which closes the circle: That is essentially why I am looking for an
actual permament method.
{:-)

To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is
where in the garden as a backup for the labels?
Who keeps them on a computer?

Franz



Kay 04-07-2004 08:05 PM

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In article , Franz Heymann
writes

To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is
where in the garden as a backup for the labels?


I did start doing this, but it's way too much effort - when you've come
in with soil covered hands after a planting session, the last thing you
want to do is update your planting maps.

I rely on it all being in my brain ... which means every so often I have
to get the books out and re-identify ;-)

Who keeps them on a computer?

I put a plantlist on my web site, but I think it's about 4 years out of
date now ;-)
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


Janet Baraclough.. 04-07-2004 08:06 PM

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The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:


To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is
where in the garden as a backup for the labels?


Ermm...I keep meaning to. I really do. Does that count?

I used to keep a list of every plant I'd bought, but it was too
incriminating so I gave up.

Janet.




Steve Harris 04-07-2004 08:06 PM

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In article ,
(jane) wrote:

Biro is pretty
hardwearing on the plastic tags, but the foxcubs like to bite them in
two :)


Surely the answer is a head-mounted GPS receiver connected to a belt
PDA?

- Plant the plant
- Stand by it and type in the name
- Can later find it even in snow

:-)

Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com
A useful bit of gardening software at
http://www.netservs.com/garden/

Kay 04-07-2004 11:07 PM

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In article , Janet Baraclough.
.. writes
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:


To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is
where in the garden as a backup for the labels?


Ermm...I keep meaning to. I really do. Does that count?

I used to keep a list of every plant I'd bought, but it was too
incriminating so I gave up.

Do you remember David Poole's comment 'I never give up on a plant until
I have really and truly killed it three times'?
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


Franz Heymann 05-07-2004 09:02 AM

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"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in
message ...
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains

these words:


To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what

is
where in the garden as a backup for the labels?


Ermm...I keep meaning to. I really do.


Me too.

Does that count?

It's the intention that counts..............


I used to keep a list of every plant I'd bought, but it was too
incriminating so I gave up.


Me too.

Franz




jane 05-07-2004 10:03 AM

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On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 06:45:39 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:

snip other quotes
~Which closes the circle: That is essentially why I am looking for an
~actual permament method.
~{:-)
~
~To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is
~where in the garden as a backup for the labels?
~Who keeps them on a computer?

Um. Me :)
I photograph everything with the digicam. The allotment pics usually
make it to my blog, and I've got plans for each plot on the PC so I
can keep track of the rotations.

They can also be printed out easily, stuck in a document wallet and
taken up there so I can see what needs to get planted where.

Garden's slightly different as it's such a mess this year and every
time I plant something the undergardener digs it up again and then
wonders why I'm shouting at her. But the photos are there,
nonetheless.

Least she can't dig the front. You need a pickaxe under the sycamores
to dig anything and even small cats don't tend to come with one of
those. :-)


--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!

Victoria Clare 05-07-2004 01:02 PM

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Janet Baraclough.. wrote in
:

I use a thin but indestructible copper label (sold by Lakeland
Plastics) indented by a biro. Anything else like seeds or cuttings gets
a plastic label and pencil.


I use copper labels for everything. If you turn the label over and give
them a good hard rub with the rounded end of the biro, you can re-use it
almost indefinitely.

Also the copper annoys the slugs ;-)

Some copper labels seem to use 'harder' copper than others: I like the
squishier ones because they are easier to blank.

Victoria
--
gardening on a north-facing hill
in South-East Cornwall
--

shazzbat 06-07-2004 12:03 AM

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"jane" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 06:45:39 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:

snip other quotes
~Which closes the circle: That is essentially why I am looking for an
~actual permament method.
~{:-)
~
~To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is
~where in the garden as a backup for the labels?
~Who keeps them on a computer?

Um. Me :)
I photograph everything with the digicam. The allotment pics usually
make it to my blog, and I've got plans for each plot on the PC so I
can keep track of the rotations.

I do that too. Different colours for the paths etc, and use the cells of an
exel doc to keep track of the rows etc.

But as to the labelling question, I bought a plant at an open garden and the
label was a white plastic one which had been painted matt black, and the
details scratched into the paint with a nail, giving white lettering on a
black background. It looks really classy and professional.

Steve



Douglas 06-07-2004 09:02 PM

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"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
.206...
Janet Baraclough.. wrote in
:

I use a thin but indestructible copper label (sold by Lakeland
Plastics) indented by a biro. Anything else like seeds or cuttings gets
a plastic label and pencil.


I use copper labels for everything. If you turn the label over and give
them a good hard rub with the rounded end of the biro, you can re-use it
almost indefinitely.

Also the copper annoys the slugs ;-)

Some copper labels seem to use 'harder' copper than others: I like the
squishier ones because they are easier to blank.

Victoria
--
gardening on a north-facing hill
in South-East Cornwall
--


******
What's all the panic?. I use ordinary white thickish plastic labels and
write on them with a Staedtler Permanent Lumocolour F or M ( fine or
medium).felt-tipped pen.
Five years of tests with different labels nailed to a sunny fence for my
friend the local Stationery shopkeeper are still there and as good as when
they were written. Some of my young pears and plum trees have the same
plastic labels with the date 1988 printed on them and they are still well
readable though stained quite a bit. They are tied on with thin plastic
covered wire. I use B&Q thin covered wire , caged and wrapped inside a
bobbin mounted on a stiff card. The tail end comes out of a hole in the
front grille and is cut to length by a tin knife on the bottom of the card..
I sling it from my neck to chest height.
I have about 45 clematis up my fences and walls, many roses, including
climbers, passion flowers, one big wandering Blackberry fifteen feet either
side of the stem.And that's just the north side adjoining the Neighbour
thugs from Hell in the adjoining semi. Dotted along the fence also are
ten-year old plums and a
Greengage. Folks! - you just gotta mosey down that there garden centre and
order one of these greengages called Dennistoun's Superb and are grafted on
to Pixy rootstock. Mind you, - there's a wait of a year or six before they
start fruiting.
In the middle of the garden is my ham radio mast. . In the small plot at
its foot are planted Wisteria Synopsis, and montana type clematis, - plus
about five other clemati: several tea-roses and ramblers. Near that is a
high pyracantha, pruned and sheared through the years to assume a flat
diamond shape and stands transverse across the garden, half -way along.
Alongside that is a high double boled (not 'poled') flowering cherry tree.
All are clothed with clematis.
Everything in my garden including the front are labelled. I get angry with
myself when I can't immediately state what the plant's name is. I used to
keep a book but the constant changes made a nonsense of it.
Doug.
******




Douglas 08-07-2004 12:07 AM

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"Douglas" wrote in message
...

"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
.206...
Janet Baraclough.. wrote in
:

I use a thin but indestructible copper label (sold by Lakeland
Plastics) indented by a biro. Anything else like seeds or cuttings

gets
a plastic label and pencil.


I use copper labels for everything. If you turn the label over and give
them a good hard rub with the rounded end of the biro, you can re-use it
almost indefinitely.

Also the copper annoys the slugs ;-)

Some copper labels seem to use 'harder' copper than others: I like the
squishier ones because they are easier to blank.

Victoria
--
gardening on a north-facing hill
in South-East Cornwall
--


******
What's all the panic?. I use ordinary white thickish plastic labels and
write on them with a Staedtler Permanent Lumocolour F or M ( fine or
medium).felt-tipped pen.
Five years of tests with different labels nailed to a sunny fence for my
friend the local Stationery shopkeeper are still there and as good as

when
they were written. Some of my young pears and plum trees have the same
plastic labels with the date 1988 printed on them and they are still well
readable though stained quite a bit. They are tied on with thin plastic
covered wire. I use B&Q thin covered wire , caged and wrapped inside a
bobbin mounted on a stiff card. The tail end comes out of a hole in the
front grille and is cut to length by a tin knife on the bottom of the

card..
I sling it from my neck to chest height.
I have about 45 clematis up my fences and walls, many roses, including
climbers, passion flowers, one big wandering Blackberry fifteen feet

either
side of the stem.And that's just the north side adjoining the Neighbour
thugs from Hell in the adjoining semi. Dotted along the fence also are
ten-year old plums and a
Greengage. Folks! - you just gotta mosey down that there garden centre

and
order one of these greengages called Dennistoun's Superb and are grafted

on
to Pixy rootstock. Mind you, - there's a wait of a year or six before they
start fruiting.
In the middle of the garden is my ham radio mast. . In the small plot at
its foot are planted *Wisteria Synopsis, and montana type clematis, - plus
about five other clemati: several tea-roses and ramblers. Near that is a
high pyracantha, pruned and sheared through the years to assume a flat
diamond shape and stands transverse across the garden, half -way along.
Alongside that is a high double boled (not 'poled') flowering cherry tree.
All are clothed with clematis.
Everything in my garden including the front are labelled. I get angry with
myself when I can't immediately state what the plant's name is. I used to
keep a book but the constant changes made a nonsense of it.
Doug.

******

*"Wisteria Synopsis?" - how silly!, - but it wasn't me as done it guv! - it
wuz this 'yer Spell-checker,
'onest!. Wisteria Synensis
Doug.
******



Frogleg 09-07-2004 08:03 PM

Labelling
 
On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 08:19:16 +0000 (UTC),
(jane) wrote:

On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 06:45:39 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


~To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is
~where in the garden as a backup for the labels?
~Who keeps them on a computer?

Um. Me :)
I photograph everything with the digicam. The allotment pics usually
make it to my blog, and I've got plans for each plot on the PC so I
can keep track of the rotations.


URL?

[email protected] 15-07-2004 01:18 PM

Labelling
 
On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 06:45:39 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Kay" wrote in message
...
In article , Janet

Baraclough.
. writes

LOL. For anything I hope will be a permanent fixture, like

azaleas or
clematis, I use a thin but indestructible copper label (sold by

Lakeland
Plastics) indented by a biro. Anything else like seeds or cuttings

gets
a plastic label and pencil. Pencil lasts far longer than

"indelible"
marker pens ime.

However, I'm so mean and idle I use each plastic label four times
(both sides, both ends) before cleaning them off with a brillo pad

and
starting again.


I find spit and a firm rub with a finger works perfectly well.


Which closes the circle: That is essentially why I am looking for an
actual permament method.
{:-)

To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is
where in the garden as a backup for the labels?
Who keeps them on a computer?


We've taken to systematically photographing the whole garden several
times a year. We keep the images on the computer.
--
Martin

jane 15-07-2004 04:04 PM

Labelling
 
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:59:33 GMT, Frogleg wrote:

~On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 08:19:16 +0000 (UTC),
(jane) wrote:
~
~On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 06:45:39 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:
~
~~To change the topic slightly, which urglers keep sketches of what is
~~where in the garden as a backup for the labels?
~~Who keeps them on a computer?
~
~Um. Me :)
~I photograph everything with the digicam. The allotment pics usually
~make it to my blog, and I've got plans for each plot on the PC so I
~can keep track of the rotations.
~
~URL?

http://www.moonbells.com/

I'm a couple of weeks behind... not been up much recently for one
reason or another, but thankfully Him Upstairs has been doing the
watering for me :)


--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!


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