wild horse radish
 

anyone know if it is legal to dig wild horse radish from banksides and hedgerows /

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anyone know if it is legal to dig wild horse radish from banksides and
hedgerows /

Technically, you should ask the landowner - probably the Highways
Department. Practically, I don't expect they'd mind.

*HOWEVER* - you ought to be careful that they haven't been regularly
sprayed with weedkiller...

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bill flinn writes:
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| anyone know if it is legal to dig wild horse radish from banksides and
| hedgerows /

It used to be, until a recent poxious government introduced the
equivalent of the Norman game laws for wild plants. Just don't
get caught.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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In article ,
bill flinn writes:
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| anyone know if it is legal to dig wild horse radish from banksides and
| hedgerows /

It used to be, until a recent poxious government introduced the
equivalent of the Norman game laws for wild plants. Just don't
get caught.

I don't think horserubbish counts - it's an alien species, and can be
treated as a weed.

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Jaques d'Alltrades writes:
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| | anyone know if it is legal to dig wild horse radish from banksides and
| | hedgerows /
|
| It used to be, until a recent poxious government introduced the
| equivalent of the Norman game laws for wild plants. Just don't
| get caught.
|
| I don't think horserubbish counts - it's an alien species, and can be
| treated as a weed.

Not according to that Act of Rights Theft, it can't!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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In article ,
bill flinn writes:
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| anyone know if it is legal to dig wild horse radish from banksides
and
| hedgerows /

It used to be, until a recent poxious government introduced the
equivalent of the Norman game laws for wild plants. Just don't
get caught.

I don't think horserubbish counts - it's an alien species, and can be
treated as a weed.

As is sycamore? and many others, somehow I think not but could be wrong.


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Chris Thomas
West Cork
Ireland

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In article ,
Jaques d'Alltrades writes:
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| | anyone know if it is legal to dig wild horse radish from banksides
and
| | hedgerows /
|
| It used to be, until a recent poxious government introduced the
| equivalent of the Norman game laws for wild plants. Just don't
| get caught.
|
| I don't think horserubbish counts - it's an alien species, and can be
| treated as a weed.

Not according to that Act of Rights Theft, it can't!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren
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Unlikely to be theft (but possible), but it is illegal to uproot any wild
plant under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 see
http://www.habitat.org.uk/statprot.htm

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I don't think horserubbish counts - it's an alien species, and can be
treated as a weed.

As is sycamore? and many others, somehow I think not but could be wrong.

W. Keble Martin says: "an ancient introduction." (Concise British Flora
- or, airline margarine pack.)

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I don't think horserubbish counts - it's an alien species, and can
be
treated as a weed.

As is sycamore? and many others, somehow I think not but could be
wrong.

W. Keble Martin says: "an ancient introduction." (Concise British Flora

Yes and a recent native woodland survey here refused to include woodland
with sycamore (and many other common trees) as native which was why it
sprang to mind.


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Chris Thomas
West Cork
Ireland

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"suspicious minds" writes:
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| Not according to that Act of Rights Theft, it can't!
| .
| Unlikely to be theft (but possible), but it is illegal to uproot any wild
| plant under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 see
| http://www.habitat.org.uk/statprot.htm

I wasn't being clear. The parsing was Act of "Rights Theft". I.e.
that Act sole rights from the public to give to the "landowners"
in similar ways to the Norman game laws and the Enclosures Acts.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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I don't think horserubbish counts - it's an alien species, and can
be
treated as a weed.

As is sycamore? and many others, somehow I think not but could be
wrong.

W. Keble Martin says: "an ancient introduction." (Concise British Flora

Yes and a recent native woodland survey here refused to include woodland
with sycamore (and many other common trees) as native which was why it
sprang to mind.

Beech and Sycamore are not native in Ireland. Beech is harmless enough and
certainly makes for wonderful specimen trees. Sycamore is a bit of a weed.
I would rather see sycamores than no trees at all but they are invasive and
can edge out native species (of tree and woodland flora). I repeat and
stress that I would prefer to see sycamores than no trees at all but it is
not a priority to preserve them.

I THINK (but could easily be wrong) that Beech is native in s.England??




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Chris Thomas
West Cork
Ireland

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W. Keble Martin says: "an ancient introduction." (Concise British Flora

Yes and a recent native woodland survey here refused to include woodland
with sycamore (and many other common trees) as native which was why it
sprang to mind.

By 'ancient' I would understand neolithic times. How picky can you get?

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I THINK (but could easily be wrong) that Beech is native in s.England??

Certainly native, and it prefers calcarious soils, which are abundant in
the south, but not unknown throughout the country.

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W. Keble Martin says: "an ancient introduction." (Concise British
Flora

Yes and a recent native woodland survey here refused to include
woodland
with sycamore (and many other common trees) as native which was why
it
sprang to mind.

By 'ancient' I would understand neolithic times. How picky can you get?

I'm not picky, those who did the survey were. Apparently if it wasn't here
before we were isolated by water it's not native.


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Chris Thomas
West Cork
Ireland

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"Cerumen" writes:
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| By 'ancient' I would understand neolithic times. How picky can you get?
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| I'm not picky, those who did the survey were. Apparently if it wasn't here
| before we were isolated by water it's not native.

An interesting definition. There have certainly been several birds
that have established here without direct human involvement, and I
think that there have been some plants.

But, if I recall, there is also one which established itself in the
UK by natural hybridisation between an introduced species and a
native one. Now, that is clearly a good species, and the usual
interpretation is that it would be native to somewhere. But, if
not the UK, where? Cockaigne?


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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W. Keble Martin says: "an ancient introduction." (Concise British
Flora

Yes and a recent native woodland survey here refused to include
woodland
with sycamore (and many other common trees) as native which was why
it
sprang to mind.

By 'ancient' I would understand neolithic times. How picky can you get?

I'm not picky, those who did the survey were. Apparently if it wasn't here
before we were isolated by water it's not native.


I am not sure when Sycamores appeared in Ireland. I thought they were
relatively recent.
You can usually tell clearly with trees from the pollen record if tey are
recent or ancient.
Compared to the dwindling stock of native oak/ash/elm(remains of) woodland,
sycamore is a weed.
It is not that picky. There are other species that are clearly not native
like Limes (I am just talking about Ireland) where people will not really
care much either way as they are fine trees. Sycamores are not worth the
effort as they are invasive and do not make for good diverse woodland flora.
I am not asying they should all be chopped down but I do not think they are
worth preserving and in cases where they are encoraching on the remaining
native woodland, there are good grounds for clearing them out. Irish
oakwooods in teh SW are in a precarious state. There are only a handful of
decent sites and they are badly treatened by Rhododendron to begin with.
Sycamore and laurel do not help either.


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Chris Thomas
West Cork
Ireland

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"Cerumen" writes:
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| By 'ancient' I would understand Neolithic times. How picky can you
get?
|
| I'm not picky, those who did the survey were. Apparently if it wasn't
here
| before we were isolated by water it's not native.

An interesting definition. There have certainly been several birds
that have established here without direct human involvement, and I
think that there have been some plants.

And here, well birds for sure as there is a fairly recent but thriving
colony of
little egrets established very near me.


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Chris Thomas
West Cork
Ireland

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In article ,
"Cerumen" writes:
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| By 'ancient' I would understand Neolithic times. How picky can you
get?
|
| I'm not picky, those who did the survey were. Apparently if it wasn't
here
| before we were isolated by water it's not native.

Sycamores seem to have been introduced into Ireland in the 1600s.



An interesting definition. There have certainly been several birds
that have established here without direct human involvement, and I
think that there have been some plants.

And here, well birds for sure as there is a fairly recent but thriving
colony of
little egrets established very near me.


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Chris Thomas
West Cork
Ireland

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By 'ancient' I would understand neolithic times. How picky can you get?

I'm not picky, those who did the survey were. Apparently if it wasn't here
before we were isolated by water it's not native.

I wasn't accusing *YOU* of being picky... (The very goovage!)

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In article , Nick Maclaren
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But, if I recall, there is also one which established itself in the
UK by natural hybridisation between an introduced species and a
native one. Now, that is clearly a good species, and the usual
interpretation is that it would be native to somewhere. But, if
not the UK, where? Cockaigne?


Spartina anglica, Senecio cambrensis, Senecio eboracensis, and probably
more (maybe a Rubus, Hieracium or Taraxacum microspecies or several).
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

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from "Cerumen" contains these
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By 'ancient' I would understand neolithic times. How picky can you
get?

I'm not picky, those who did the survey were. Apparently if it wasn't
here
before we were isolated by water it's not native.

I wasn't accusing *YOU* of being picky... (The very goovage!)

Ah, as you were then, I misundergooved.


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Chris Thomas
West Cork
Ireland

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Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In article , Nick Maclaren
writes

But, if I recall, there is also one which established itself in the
UK by natural hybridisation between an introduced species and a
native one. Now, that is clearly a good species, and the usual
interpretation is that it would be native to somewhere. But, if
not the UK, where? Cockaigne?

Spartina anglica, Senecio cambrensis, Senecio eboracensis, and probably
more (maybe a Rubus, Hieracium or Taraxacum microspecies or several).

Thanks very much.

Now, can you answer my question? The reply "no" is acceptable :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article , Nick Maclaren
writes
In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In article , Nick Maclaren
writes

But, if I recall, there is also one which established itself in the
UK by natural hybridisation between an introduced species and a
native one. Now, that is clearly a good species, and the usual
interpretation is that it would be native to somewhere. But, if
not the UK, where? Cockaigne?

Spartina anglica, Senecio cambrensis, Senecio eboracensis, and probably
more (maybe a Rubus, Hieracium or Taraxacum microspecies or several).

Thanks very much.

Now, can you answer my question? The reply "no" is acceptable :-)

I would say that the above named species are native to Britain, but that
depends on depends on the precise definition of nativity used. However,
consider Primula kewensis, which is an allopolyploid derivative of two
Chinese species, which, IIRC, arose in cultivation in Britain. That does
seem to be native to nowhere, so perhaps we could say the same of
Spartina anglica with a clear conscience.
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Stewart Robert Hinsley