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"Sacha" wrote in message k... On 18/12/04 13:34, in article , "Janet Baraclough.." wrote: snip The label on this bulb said " *OSE*A BRABA", the first letter could be either J or Y and the fourth could be either R or N. So far as I can find out, braba means wild in Portuguese. The picture shows a tall stem with palest pink, down-ward facing trumpet flowers at the tip.A google search doesn't come up with the label ID. The closest picture match I can find on the internet is crinum bulbispermum. However, I haven't seen crinum bulbs, or anything like this monster, for sale in the Funchal plant market.It definitely isn't the bulb Madeirans call belladonna, because the vendor had those in a separate heap. Could it be one of the asphodels? The bulb size and description sounds awfully like the bulbs we kept seeing Crete. There, they flower on naked stems in about September/October time. Any ideas? The other one whose latin ID I haven't tracked down yet is a smallish light brown corm I bought in the market, about gladiolus size, labelled "St John's lily, red". Clivia miniata? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) Aren't clivia's evergreen? Crinums are very large bulbs normally with a long neck, but I suspect it may be Eucomis pole-avense (don't think I have spelt the last bit correctly!) they have enormous bulbs. Ours was stunning this year flower heads were late coming but eventually came good in October (while we were back on Madeira) and were 5' high still looking fine but now in the conservatory awaiting seed ripening. ours came from Madeira too but as seed :~) -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs) |
Give it up, Sacha. Asphodel don't have trumpet shaped flowers and the other
isn't Clivia miniata because it is cormous. The first is probably a Crinum as she says and the second is probably a Crocosmia. "Sacha" wrote in message k... On 18/12/04 13:34, in article , "Janet Baraclough.." wrote: snip The label on this bulb said " *OSE*A BRABA", the first letter could be either J or Y and the fourth could be either R or N. So far as I can find out, braba means wild in Portuguese. The picture shows a tall stem with palest pink, down-ward facing trumpet flowers at the tip.A google search doesn't come up with the label ID. The closest picture match I can find on the internet is crinum bulbispermum. However, I haven't seen crinum bulbs, or anything like this monster, for sale in the Funchal plant market.It definitely isn't the bulb Madeirans call belladonna, because the vendor had those in a separate heap. Could it be one of the asphodels? The bulb size and description sounds awfully like the bulbs we kept seeing Crete. There, they flower on naked stems in about September/October time. Any ideas? The other one whose latin ID I haven't tracked down yet is a smallish light brown corm I bought in the market, about gladiolus size, labelled "St John's lily, red". Clivia miniata? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
second is probably a
Crocosmia. or a Cyrtanthus |
On 18/12/04 13:34, in article ,
"Janet Baraclough.." wrote: snip The other one whose latin ID I haven't tracked down yet is a smallish light brown corm I bought in the market, about gladiolus size, labelled "St John's lily, red". The other thing that crosses my mind for this is Watsonia but you'd know that? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
On 18/12/04 3:55 pm, in article
, "Charlie Pridham" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message k... snip Clivia miniata? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) Aren't clivia's evergreen? Duh, yes! I typed in St John's Lily in a Google image search and it came up with that, so I thought it worth suggesting. snip -- Sacha (remove the weeds for email) |
On 19/12/04 12:57 am, in article ,
"Janet Baraclough.." wrote: The message from "Charlie Pridham" contains these words: Crinums are very large bulbs normally with a long neck, but I suspect it may be Eucomis pole-avense (don't think I have spelt the last bit correctly!) they have enormous bulbs. I've found eucomis pole-arvense in google but no pics in google images..but don't eucomis usually have loads of small flowers? The picture on the plant stand showed something with pretty large pink trumpet flowers, the size of a lily; even larger than amaryllis belladonna. Unfortunately,the flower pic showed cut stems in a jamjar so no way of telling how tall they grow. Try http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=...O-8859-1&hl=en -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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On 19/12/04 2:04 pm, in article
, "IntarsiaCo" wrote: http://www.ibiblio.org/pbs/pbswiki/index.php/Eucomis http://www.theafricangarden.com/page40.html Dave Fenwick really knows his stuff with these plants. He lives in Plymouth and has apparently done wonders in quite a tiny garden. He comes in here from time to time and his knowledge, like that of David Poole, is truly encyclopaedic. If Janet can't identify her treasures otherwise, an emailed description to Dave Fenwick or David Poole should sort it out. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
"Janet Baraclough.." wrote ((SNIP)) The other one whose latin ID I haven't tracked down yet is a smallish light brown corm I bought in the market, about gladiolus size, labelled "St John's lily, red". Well there is a St.James lily, and that is Sprekelia formosissima and it's red. I don't know what the corms look like though. Just a thought. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:34:54 GMT, Janet Baraclough..
wrote: The picture shows a tall stem with palest pink, down-ward facing trumpet flowers at the tip. This to me certainly sounds like Crinum, but I've never seen a bulb. It must be pretty large to produce the huge stem and flower described. Pam in Bristol |
On 19/12/04 10:37 pm, in article ,
"Pam Moore" wrote: On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:34:54 GMT, Janet Baraclough.. wrote: The picture shows a tall stem with palest pink, down-ward facing trumpet flowers at the tip. This to me certainly sounds like Crinum, but I've never seen a bulb. It must be pretty large to produce the huge stem and flower described. I agree. It does sound like Crinum and the bulbs are very large. The pink variety is a little more unusual than the white and if this is Crinum I hope Janet will tell us how it gets on with her. I knew one garden in Jersey where there was something amounting almost to a plantation of them, they were so happy there. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:34:54 GMT, Janet Baraclough..
wrote: While walking in the hills I found a huge bulb on a tiny stall beside a levada,(water channel) where someone had put out bulbs and a dish for the money. Everything had a label, wonky spelling and handwriting, with a photo of the plant in flower. My experience of plants being sold by a levada was different. A man and his young son were selling agapanthus plants. We bought a couple each, only to be told that such people were digging them up in other places just to sell them on!!! Still they (plants not people!) have survived 5 years in my garden and flowered for the first time this year. Pam in Bristol |
Janet, I don't think there's much doubt that your largest bulb is
that of a Crinum and possibly, maybe probably it will turn out to be Crinum moorei, since it is very widely grown in Madeira and I understand, has naturalised in some parts. C. moorei is a bit tender, but a sunny spot close to a south wall should see it through. I grow the white form here and it makes an immense clump of very tall necked bulbs, easily over 4 feet high excluding the flowers. I like the foliage, which doesn't crumple or kink as badly as its much hardier cousin - Crinum x powellii. The leaves are great strap like affairs, to nearly 15cm. across and 1.2 m. long. They form wonderful, massive rosettes, but are unfortunately much loved by snails! As to the corms, St John's Lily means nothing to me. Without a pic it is difficult to make an accurate stab, but I can't help wondering whether they may be Chasmanthe aethiopica. This species has scarlet tubular flowers, carried almost horizontally and opposite to each other on a tall spike. Not the hardiest of the family, but nor is it quite as tender as some would have you believe if you can provide good drainage and a sheltered sunny spot. As with the Crinum, close to a south wall would be a good spot. Dave Poole Torquay, Coastal South Devon UK Winter min -2°C. Summer max 34°C. Growing season: March - November |
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