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Sacha wrote: On 8/1/05 16:37, in article , "Kay" wrote: snip Incidentally, I asked my French niece about what a pig is known as in French - the animal, rather than the meat and she is firm that it is 'cochon'. That's what I remembered from O level french buit I wouldn't back my o level french knowledge against anyone else's knowledge of french, let alone a french woman's. Of course, it's still possible that a local dialect would talk of "un porc" but 'proper' French is "un cochon". In Jersey French, for example, a snail is called 'un colînmachon' *and* 'un escargot' but in good French it's 'un escargot'. I don't think that's it, nor do I think that the teacher is right. If a teacher was asked the same question for English, the normal answer would be 'pig', but there would be absolutely nothing WRONG with 'swine'. It is just not the normal word nowadays. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Franz Heymann wrote: "Kay" wrote in message ... [snip] The meat has the name of the animal in the language of the conquering classes who ate it, while the animal retains the language of the conquered who grew it. At least it works for boeuf and mouton, but I'm not sure where pork comes from - the latin? - is it the modern french that has moved away? And when did you last see a piece of mutton for sale, or offered on a menu? We had some 12 days ago. It has been relegalised. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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In article , Franz Heymann
writes "Kay" wrote in message ... [snip] The meat has the name of the animal in the language of the conquering classes who ate it, while the animal retains the language of the conquered who grew it. At least it works for boeuf and mouton, but I'm not sure where pork comes from - the latin? - is it the modern french that has moved away? And when did you last see a piece of mutton for sale, or offered on a menu? We buy mutton at least twice a month :-) -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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On 8/1/05 19:18, in article , "Franz
Heymann" wrote: "Kay" wrote in message ... [snip] The meat has the name of the animal in the language of the conquering classes who ate it, while the animal retains the language of the conquered who grew it. At least it works for boeuf and mouton, but I'm not sure where pork comes from - the latin? - is it the modern french that has moved away? And when did you last see a piece of mutton for sale, or offered on a menu? Franz Frequently at our butcher but not on a menu, no. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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"Stuart" wrote in message ... A tidal wave is something completely different to a tsunami, but a lot of people don't seem to realise this. For the last time, it is not. Get hold of a dictionary and look up the meaning. Maybe its a common use of it, but its not correct, as those of us with degrees in geology know. It may have become an alternative name for those who don't know better, but the original meaning is quite different. The geology students in my College did not do enough applied mathematics to solve the deep water equations Franz |
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"Stuart" wrote in message k... When did everybody start calling a tidal wave a tsunami and why? When they learnt the difference. A tidal wave is something completely different to a tsunami, but a lot of people don't seem to realise this. If you were to crack a book on hydrodynamics you will find that there are essentially four different types of wave in an ideal non-viscous liquid Capillary waves Surface waves Deep water waves Solitons (actually, there are also linear combinations of the first two) Capillary waves are what you get if you induce a wave by vibrating a tuning fork witih one tine just touching the liquid Surface waves are what you normally see on the surface of the ocean before they break near the shore. That includes the so-called "Giant waves". These are simply distinguished by having a very large amplitude of oscillation. In both those types of wave any "piece" of water moves vertically up and down. In the case of a deep water wave, any *piece" of water executes a circular motion, with the diameter of the circle equal to the depth of the water. Both tidal waves and tsunamis are synonyms for deep water waves. In the open ocean with a constant depth, a deep water wave is essentially harmless and may pass practically unnoticed. It only becomes dangerous when it meets a sloping ocean floor, so that the nornal circular motion can no longer be accomodated. It is at that stage that it begins to "suck" in water ahead of it and begins to pile up in height. Solitons are peculiar beasts in which certain specifically-shaped transient surface disturbances can move unchanged in shape. Franz |
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"Charlie Pridham" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Sacha" wrote in message k... On 3/1/05 11:30, in article , "Cerumen" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:09:33 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: The main risk is the big piece of rock which is expected to fall off an island in the Canaries, generate a tidal wave that will wipe out the East Coats of the USA and not do a lot of good to the low countries. Apparently a tsunami hit the west coast of Ireland in 1775 ? after a seismic event near the Azores and Canaries causing some considerable damage.. A recent article I read somewhere said that if the predicted bit of La Palma falls off in one slab the resulting tsunami will lead to the disappearance of the Isles of Scilly (among other damage!) As well as New York Franz Lots of people have said that, but it seems unlikely. I am afraid that if the whole chunk og rock comes adrift in one go, it is a dead cert. It is only a matter of when. To create a tsunami requires a high energy shock wave, No. That is not so. Any large, localised disturbance will do the trick. a bit of land falling in would, however large not be moving fast enough for the damage to be transmitted any distance, although there would certainly be a large wave locally much as when large icebergs break off. I would rather listen to the physicists who have done the calculations. They actually do know the magnitude of the wave which would occur if the whole cracked chunk of rock fell into the ocean in one go. In a deep ocean with a flat bottom, a tsunami is actually a relatively slow, stately occurrence. All hell begins to break loose when it reaches a sloping shoreline. Franz |
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"Charlie Pridham" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... A recent article I read somewhere said that if the predicted bit of La Palma falls off in one slab the resulting tsunami will lead to the disappearance of the Isles of Scilly (among other damage!) Charlie Pridham writes Lots of people have said that, but it seems unlikely. To create a tsunami requires a high energy shock wave, a bit of land falling in would, however large not be moving fast enough for the damage to be transmitted any distance, although there would certainly be a large wave locally much as when large icebergs break off. I think you confuse speed with energy. If you drop a very very large mass (say 5000 million tons) a few hundred feet (and I think in the case of the canaries it drops a long way down to the ocean floor) then the *energy* released is converted into a (relatively) smaller mass of water travelling *very* fast. I don't know what the conversion factor is but say 1% of the mass travelling at say 20 times the speed would still be quite significant. -- David I may be wrong but I am not confused! :~) once the rock mass was in the water the effect would be slight however far it falls, it can after all only fall and accelerate at 9.81m/s2 . That is quite wrong. The rock hits the water quite fast, with a large amount of energy. As it sinks in the water, it gives its enrergy to the water, spreadover a large range in depths. These are just what is neded to excite a deep water wave. and I still think you would be hard pressed to even detect it in New York You could not be more wrong on this issue if you tried. Please desist from making qualitative speculations from the side lines. As has been said before, there are actually model experiments being performed under conditions where the scaling laws are known. The results from those are more important than your wishful thinking. were it to happen, (a similar sized lump arriving from space would be travelling at a much higher speed and would indeed cause allsorts of problems were it to hit ocean). The movement of a tectonic plate can in some instances be at very high speed coupled with the total mass on the move gives a huge amount more energy and even then not all underwater quakes produces these waves. Franz |
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"Tumbleweed" wrote in message ... "goldfinch" wrote in message ... Not under our wonderful new legislation. No, it is much closer to home. Regards, Nick Maclaren. --------------- OK. I have been wondering what you meant, Nick, and hoping that someone else would ask ;-) Then today on the news we hear that our insane government had plans to blow up the channel tunnel with a nuclear bomb if the Russians were to try and invade us. The resulting massive waves would devastate most of the S.E. coastal area. We only know this now because of the freedom of information act. No they didnt. Do you write newspaper headlines as well?Or just read the daily mail? (translating 'some officials considered a bomb but it was never implemented' into 'government had plans to swamp SE with massive waves'.) Not that there would have been any 'massive waves' anyway, maybe a small ripple. (raspberry?) -- Tumbleweed ------------- I heard it on the BBC 1 news at 6 pm today. Obviously it was never implemented ;-) Probably more than a ripple though, being close enough to the shore even if it was in the middle of the channel. Not if it was going to make the tunnel unusable for only 3 years. And the middle of the channel is 10 miles from the shore. They had tests in the nevada desert *much* nearer than that from las vegas in the 50's, not even a tremor felt in LV. The chunnel is ideally situated for being the origin of a particularly vicious deep water wave. The Nevada desert has no water. Franz |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , wrote: On 5 Jan 2005 11:51:10 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , wrote: but there wasn't a channel tunnel in 1974, or was there a secret one we didn't know about? There was one in 1874! It wasn't complete - which doesn't stop the government planning how to blow it up if it were ever completed. It would need a bit of foresight to anticipate a tunnel and the invention of the atom bomb :-) No foresight needed for the first - look up the history of the tunnel - it was first proposed in the 18th century and preliminary work started in the 19th. The atom bomb was also speculated in the 19th century, but I now forget the reference. Impossible. The structure of the atom was only discovered well into the 20th century, and the energy equivalence of mass was only suggested in 1905. Anyway, you don't need one to blow up a small construction like the tunnel, nor even modern explosives; ordinary gunpowder will do. True. Franz |
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"Douglas" wrote in message news Nick Maclaren Wrote: In article , wrote:- but there wasn't a channel tunnel in 1974, or was there a secret one we didn't know about?- ***** I have not read on here, so I'm probably repeating what has already been said: There was a building attempt in 1974, but, as usual, we Brits got scared and pulled out after several miles had been dug, much to the dismay of the French. Douglas, in a spirit of helpfulness I would like to ask how those "" at the beginning of your lines come to be there. Do you put them there? It really is a pain in the backside trying to make sense of who said what once you have contributed something to a thread. If there is another urgler who posts from garbenbanter, please let us know if you have ever had any difficulty with the attribution marks Franz |
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"Tim Challenger" wrote in message news:1104832182.7eab743324810ae0059abdfe5cb57dda@t eranews... On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:28:29 +0000 (UTC), Franz Heymann wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:53:00 +0100, Tim Challenger wrote: On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:40:51 +0000 (UTC), Mike wrote: They say when it goes, that will be the end of New York. I believe that if that is the case, 'something' would have been done by now if 'any time now' relates to this year!! And what would you suggest that "they" do? Get a couple of big sticks and prop it up? You'd need a lot of string and blu-tac to hold back 500 billion tons of rock. Don't let science ruin a good discussion, that's Franz's job. :-) {:-)) I would recommend that they start making plans for evacuating New York. They wil have around 10 hours warning. Perhaps theyhave already made plans, but can't make them public because of the grand panic which would follow immediately after the announcement. Franz Thanks Franz, knew we could rely on you ;-) Glad to be of service. {:-)) Franz -- Tim C. |
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