Dead rose
 

We planted Rose Tequilla Sunrise about 4/5 years ago. After cutting
back this spring, it has decided to give up the ghost and is quite
dead. Why would this happen? All our other roses are fine and growing
like mad.

"John Edgar" wrote in message
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: We planted Rose Tequilla Sunrise about 4/5 years ago. After cutting
: back this spring, it has decided to give up the ghost and is quite
: dead. Why would this happen? All our other roses are fine and growing
: like mad.

There isn't honey fungus in the soil is there? Boot lace type of fungi under
the soil

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"John Edgar" wrote in message
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: We planted Rose Tequilla Sunrise about 4/5 years ago. After cutting
: back this spring, it has decided to give up the ghost and is quite
: dead. Why would this happen? All our other roses are fine and growing
: like mad.

There isn't honey fungus in the soil is there? Boot lace type of fungi
under
the soil

There are several root rotting fungi but plants do sometimes, like people,
just die without it being anyone's fault!
--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)

We planted Rose Tequilla Sunrise about 4/5 years ago. After cutting
: back this spring, it has decided to give up the ghost and is quite
: dead. Why would this happen? All our other roses are fine and growing

: like mad


..

There isn't honey fungus in the soil is there? Boot lace type of fungi
under
the soil


Haven't seen any, no mushrooms either, and all the other roses and
plants within feet of it are doing fine.

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John Edgar wrote:
: We planted Rose Tequilla Sunrise about 4/5 years ago. After cutting
: back this spring, it has decided to give up the ghost and is quite
: dead. Why would this happen? All our other roses are fine and growing
: like mad

There isn't honey fungus in the soil is there? Boot lace type of fungi
under the soil

Haven't seen any, no mushrooms either, and all the other roses and
plants within feet of it are doing fine.

Please get a proper newsreader or edit your posts manually.

People seem to think that honey fungus is the primary soil-borne
pathenogenic fungus, largely because of the nonsense talked by the
media, but that is not true. It is one of a huge number.

If you dig the plant up, and the roots are covered with a WHITISH
network and smell mushroomy, then it has been killed by one of the
more common ones. No, I don't know what they are - and there are
probably hundreds that match that description. The solution is the
same in all cases (including for honey fungus):

Dig the soil over to improve drainage and remove the roots of
the rose. Attempting to sterilise the soil is almost certainly
futile.

Don't plant another of the Rosaceae there (no, not apples, plums,
rowan etc. as well as roses). Generally, if a plant in family X
dies, avoid all plants of family X.

Plant a container-grown plant, not a bare-root or containerised
one, because fungi often get in through damaged roots.

If you have a positive identification of the fungus (either
black bootlaces or a fruiting body), plant something known to be
resistant to it. Otherwise don't worry.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

I recently transplanted all my roses (about 20) into an area where they
would get more sun. One didn't survive. I dug out the stump and found the
remains of a large Boer that had eaten its way into the roots. I have no
idea what kind it was, or if it was the reason the rose didn't make it, but
it is a possibility. Could that have been your problem?

Dwayne


"John Edgar" wrote in message
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We planted Rose Tequilla Sunrise about 4/5 years ago. After cutting
back this spring, it has decided to give up the ghost and is quite
dead. Why would this happen? All our other roses are fine and growing
like mad.

In article ,
Dwayne wrote:
I recently transplanted all my roses (about 20) into an area where they
would get more sun. One didn't survive. I dug out the stump and found the
remains of a large Boer that had eaten its way into the roots. I have no
idea what kind it was, or if it was the reason the rose didn't make it, but
it is a possibility. Could that have been your problem?

It is now over a century since the Boer war petered out, so you
claim some kind of a record for discovering a combatant that didn't
accept the peace conditions. Are you sure that is what you meant?

Yes, I am genuinely baffled.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article ,
Dwayne wrote:
I recently transplanted all my roses (about 20) into an area where
they would get more sun. One didn't survive. I dug out the stump
and found the remains of a large Boer that had eaten its way into
the roots. I have no idea what kind it was, or if it was the reason
the rose didn't make it, but it is a possibility. Could that have
been your problem?

It is now over a century since the Boer war petered out, so you
claim some kind of a record for discovering a combatant that didn't
accept the peace conditions. Are you sure that is what you meant?

Yes, I am genuinely baffled.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

And if he meant 'boar' as in 'wild boar' well the last one of those was
killed back in the 18th century, though they are being steadily reintroduced
(that is wild boar as opposed to farmed boar) - there are pockets in Dorset,
Kent, Sussex, Herefordshire and the Forest of Dean. They're having the most
success in the west country, which is odd when you consider that they
originally wandered over from the continent when the UK was still joined to
France.

--
In memory of MS MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/

I should have spelled it borer. I am sorry if that baffled you. Most
people have been able to figure it out on their own without having to ask
for help.

Dwayne

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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In article ,
Dwayne wrote:
I recently transplanted all my roses (about 20) into an area where they
would get more sun. One didn't survive. I dug out the stump and found
the
remains of a large Boer that had eaten its way into the roots. I have no
idea what kind it was, or if it was the reason the rose didn't make it,
but
it is a possibility. Could that have been your problem?

It is now over a century since the Boer war petered out, so you
claim some kind of a record for discovering a combatant that didn't
accept the peace conditions. Are you sure that is what you meant?

Yes, I am genuinely baffled.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Dwayne wrote:
I should have spelled it borer. I am sorry if that baffled you.
Most
people have been able to figure it out on their own without having
to
ask for help.

Hey, lighten up, Dwayne! Everybody gets teased round here. I wouldn't
dream of doing it myself, of course...(though the next person who's
going hysterical over a dip in his lawn may prove an irresistible
temptation).

As it happens, "borer" isn't in every UK gardener's active
vocabulary, and those who professed bafflement probably _were_
genuinely baffled. I was nowhere near sure that was what you meant
myself, though it is more of an Australian word; we gathered it was
presumably some kind of insect pest, but no clear image emerged. Then
you threw us with the capital letter, and the rest is history.

--
Mike.

If you dig the plant up, and the roots are covered with a WHITISH
network and smell mushroomy, then it has been killed by one of the
more common ones. No, I don't know what they are - and there are
probably hundreds that match that description. The solution is the
same in all cases (including for honey fungus):

Thanks for this. There was nothing odd about the roots, they were just
dead. If it means anything, the rose had always looked odd and had
always behaved strangely. tending to bolt, and the leaves never looked
right. I don't think it had reverted to root stock, because it looked
like the rose on the label.
John

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John Edgar wrote:

Thanks for this. There was nothing odd about the roots, they were just
dead. If it means anything, the rose had always looked odd and had
always behaved strangely. tending to bolt, and the leaves never looked
right. I don't think it had reverted to root stock, because it looked
like the rose on the label.

It was quite possibly a bacterial infection that carried it off, then.
What the original cause was, I can't guess.

As with animals, sickly plants are prone to picking up everything that
is going, and often dropping dead as a consequence. I would still
avoid planting one of the Rosaceae there, but it is sometimes worth
a second go if you particularly want a particular plant. If a second
plant of the same species dies, give it up for some years.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

You are very lucky. We get borers in our lilacs, peaches, apricots,
cherries, and a few others. We have to spray our trees in the early spring,
to keep them from killing the trees. Squash borers are a problem also, and
now I found this one in my rose. I hope you are never bothered with them.

Dwayne

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
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I should have spelled it borer. I am sorry if that baffled you. Most
people have been able to figure it out on their own without having to ask
for help.

UK gardens don't suffer from American borers, gladly. Borers
occasionally infest the top of usenet posts, but are so slow it's easy
to squash them.

Janet