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The Reids 07-06-2005 09:59 AM

Garlic
 
I planted garlic last year, just dug some up. I have a single
onion like bulb, not a group of cloves as expected. Advice
please.
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andrewpreece 07-06-2005 01:10 PM


"The Reids" wrote in message
...
I planted garlic last year, just dug some up. I have a single
onion like bulb, not a group of cloves as expected. Advice
please.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can

email us@ this site
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Is it a bulb bigger than than the original clove you put in? I'm thinking
that, if it is, it is possibly hiding the cloves under an outside skin. I'm
not too sure what mine look like ( I planted some last year too ), but I'm
leaving mine in until the end of summer to mature.

Andy.



Dwayne 07-06-2005 01:37 PM

If I plant mine in the spring, it doesn't have time to divide, so I just
leave it alone for another year. I normally don't harvest it until the end
of July and replant around the first of September. You may want to leave it
for another month or two and try it again.

Dwayne


"The Reids" wrote in message
...
I planted garlic last year, just dug some up. I have a single
onion like bulb, not a group of cloves as expected. Advice
please.
--
Mike Reid
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email us@ this site
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Paul Taylor 07-06-2005 05:37 PM

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:59:38 +0100, The Reids wrote:

I planted garlic last year, just dug some up. I have a single
onion like bulb, not a group of cloves as expected. Advice
please.


Mine were like that too. The top growth went yellow and died back, so I
dug them up and found marble sized garlic with no cloves just as you
describe :-(

I put it down to planting maybe a little too late (think it was march),
but you say you planted last year. Hmmm......

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Gary Woods 07-06-2005 06:15 PM

The Reids wrote:

I planted garlic last year, just dug some up. I have a single
onion like bulb, not a group of cloves as expected.


That's called a "round." You get rounds when planting the small topset
bulbils, or sometimes from too late spring planting. In this case, I don't
know what happened. How big were the cloves that were planted?


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

The Reids 08-06-2005 04:29 PM

Following up to Gary Woods

That's called a "round." You get rounds when planting the small topset
bulbils, or sometimes from too late spring planting. In this case, I don't
know what happened. How big were the cloves that were planted?


average sized from a garden centre. I'll wait a little longer but
once the plant is turning yellow are they likely to grow more?
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Gary Woods 08-06-2005 08:46 PM

The Reids wrote:

average sized from a garden centre. I'll wait a little longer but
once the plant is turning yellow are they likely to grow more?


Probably not, though I often have some leaf tips turn well before the
garlic is done growing. If re-planted in the fall, the round should make a
normal bulb next year.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

Tricia Weston 08-06-2005 09:59 PM

In article jj3ea19gtqlnn6p48apihmrir4n21p1cgg@
4ax.com, says...

average sized from a garden centre. I'll wait a little longer but
once the plant is turning yellow are they likely to grow more?

Sorry, no solutions, but I would like to add to the
discussion on garlic which doesn't seem to be producing
cloves. Usually I have autumn planted supermarket
garlic cloves and harvested a small crop in summer.
Last autumn I invested in cloves from a garden centre,
Dobbies I think, with a label which described them as
strong flavoured and a name like Crisp. The plants
look very healthy with a tall thick stem, but when
harvested just have a single bulb - in fact they look
more like leeks than garlic. Could it be weather
conditions here don't suit this particular type??

--
Tricia, Scotland

J Jackson 08-06-2005 10:30 PM

Tricia Weston wrote:
: In article jj3ea19gtqlnn6p48apihmrir4n21p1cgg@
: 4ax.com, says...
:
: average sized from a garden centre. I'll wait a little longer but
: once the plant is turning yellow are they likely to grow more?
:
: Sorry, no solutions, but I would like to add to the
: discussion on garlic which doesn't seem to be producing
: cloves. Usually I have autumn planted supermarket
: garlic cloves and harvested a small crop in summer.
: Last autumn I invested in cloves from a garden centre,
: Dobbies I think, with a label which described them as
: strong flavoured and a name like Crisp. The plants
: look very healthy with a tall thick stem, but when
: harvested just have a single bulb - in fact they look
: more like leeks than garlic. Could it be weather
: conditions here don't suit this particular type??

Have you cut one open?
I've harvested a garlic plant today - needed for some cooking.
It looks like one bulb with several thin "onion" skins round the whole
bulb but underneath are the seperate bulbs. It's just too early to harvest
they have another 6 weeks of growing in lots of light and warmer weather -
they'll but loads on yet.

Jim


Mike Lyle 09-06-2005 12:56 AM

J Jackson wrote:
Tricia Weston wrote:
In article jj3ea19gtqlnn6p48apihmrir4n21p1cgg@
4ax.com, says...

average sized from a garden centre. I'll wait a little longer but
once the plant is turning yellow are they likely to grow more?

Sorry, no solutions, but I would like to add to the
discussion on garlic which doesn't seem to be producing
cloves. Usually I have autumn planted supermarket
garlic cloves and harvested a small crop in summer.
Last autumn I invested in cloves from a garden centre,
Dobbies I think, with a label which described them as
strong flavoured and a name like Crisp. The plants
look very healthy with a tall thick stem, but when
harvested just have a single bulb - in fact they look
more like leeks than garlic. Could it be weather
conditions here don't suit this particular type??


Have you cut one open?
I've harvested a garlic plant today - needed for some cooking.
It looks like one bulb with several thin "onion" skins round the

whole
bulb but underneath are the seperate bulbs. It's just too early to
harvest they have another 6 weeks of growing in lots of light and
warmer weather - they'll but loads on yet.


The UK is at the northern limit of the range for garlic, and it won't
always work even if given the longest possible growing season and
very fertile conditions. Some people and some varieties do better
than others: only experiment will tell whether you're one of the
champs. I'm also a little suspicious of some of the varieties they
sell in the GCs: it's absolutely got to be a variety developed for
this climate. There's no shame in deciding to give up and rely on the
greengrocer's imported produce. If the leaves are going yellow, the
bulbs won't -- because they just can't -- develop much further. This
may be because you didn't provide a steady supply of food, moisture,
and sun; but it may be just that the variety was all wrong. Either
way, they don't tend to go on much past midsummer anyhow.

--
Mike.



Dwayne 09-06-2005 01:28 PM



average sized from a garden centre. I'll wait a little longer but
once the plant is turning yellow are they likely to grow more?
--
Mike Reid


Mike, maybe the clove division is part of the ripening process. If you can,
wait for another month, pull one and see if it has divided. If that doesnt
solve the problem I would look for another problem (watering or insects).

Dwayne



fileydave 09-06-2005 06:34 PM

Next year try planting the elephant garlic which is now available in supermarkets.
Plant Sept/Oct about 3 inches deep and harvest July.
Save some of each crop to plant next year and it gets better as the plant seems to acclimatise to our weather

Sarah Dale 09-06-2005 07:53 PM

Mike Lyle wrote:
The UK is at the northern limit of the range for garlic, and it won't
always work even if given the longest possible growing season and
very fertile conditions. Some people and some varieties do better
than others: only experiment will tell whether you're one of the
champs. I'm also a little suspicious of some of the varieties they
sell in the GCs: it's absolutely got to be a variety developed for
this climate. There's no shame in deciding to give up and rely on the


Personally speaking, in the 3 or 4 years I have been growing garlic here
in extreme NW wales, I have found it to be an easy, very rewarding crop.

To date I have purchased my garlic bulbs for planting from Marshalls,
split them into cloves and planted them in the Autumn - Oct / Nov. I
then generally ignore them except for the odd weeding session or
occasional water, and removal of any seed head. Harvest in Jul / August
for enough garlic to keep the average family for a year.

Sarah

[email protected] 09-06-2005 08:30 PM

"Dwayne" writes:


average sized from a garden centre. I'll wait a little longer but
once the plant is turning yellow are they likely to grow more?
--
Mike Reid


Mike, maybe the clove division is part of the ripening process.


Reading an article on garlic in a back copy of the RHS magazine this
morning, it needs to get properly cold to start the cloving. Tuck the
rounds away somewhere safe till September time, put them in the fridge
for a month, then plant them out again in October.

Anthony


Tricia Weston 09-06-2005 10:50 PM

In article ,
says...
"Dwayne" writes:


average sized from a garden centre. I'll wait a little longer but
once the plant is turning yellow are they likely to grow more?
--
Mike Reid


Mike, maybe the clove division is part of the ripening process.


Reading an article on garlic in a back copy of the RHS magazine this
morning, it needs to get properly cold to start the cloving. Tuck the
rounds away somewhere safe till September time, put them in the fridge
for a month, then plant them out again in October.

Anthony


Thanks for all the ideas posted. We had such a mild
winter here, that the lack of cold would make sense for
mine. I harvested one today to add to chicken soup,
but as the soup was needed for a heavy cold I'm still
not sure if it has a strong flavour as was claimed.
But to be honest the one single bulb was probably as
big as some of the groups of cloves I had last year, so
I think I will leave some to grow as long as the plants
look healthy and try the chill treatment on some
others.
--
Tricia, Scotland


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