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Old 10-03-2003, 02:23 PM
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When's the best time of year to plant a clematis?

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Old 10-03-2003, 02:32 PM
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When's the best time of year to plant a clematis?

ROSIE


ISTR September

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Old 10-03-2003, 05:08 PM
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When's the best time of year to plant a clematis?

ROSIE

If they are container grown then they can be planted at any time the ground
is not completely frozen.
Spring planted plants may need watering their first summer.

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Old 10-03-2003, 08:34 PM
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When's the best time of year to plant a clematis?

ROSIE


Not sure when but you should plant them deep unlike most other plants so
that if they get clematis wilt, they will grow back from beneath the ground.

Martin


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Old 10-03-2003, 09:09 PM
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"Rosie" wrote in message
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When's the best time of year to plant a clematis?

ROSIE


Not sure when but you should plant them deep unlike most other plants so
that if they get clematis wilt, they will grow back from beneath the ground.

And put a 4-5" pot with the bottom cut out upside down round the roots
to keep the sun off (and the cats from spraying them).
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Old 11-03-2003, 09:15 AM
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When's the best time of year to plant a clematis?

ROSIE



Autumn, but early autumn, IIRC. The idea is that they don't need quite
so much water - a new plant planted in late spring will need daily
watering for six weeks. Early spring (but not in frozen ground) is next
best.
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Old 11-03-2003, 09:45 AM
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In article ,
Jane Lumley writes:
| In article , Rosie
| writes
| When's the best time of year to plant a clematis?
|
| Autumn, but early autumn, IIRC. The idea is that they don't need quite
| so much water - a new plant planted in late spring will need daily
| watering for six weeks. Early spring (but not in frozen ground) is next
| best.

Back when we had drier weather, planting in sandy soil in
Cambridge had to be done in autumn, as few plants would establish
enough of a root system to survive the summer.

But, now, with the incredibly wet weather, planting in autumn can
cause the plants to get root root before they establish, so spring
can be a better bet.

This applies to many plants, though not all.


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Old 11-03-2003, 10:48 PM
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In article , Jane Lumley
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In article , Rosie
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When's the best time of year to plant a clematis?


Autumn, but early autumn, IIRC. The idea is that they don't need quite
so much water - a new plant planted in late spring will need daily
watering for six weeks. Early spring (but not in frozen ground) is next
best.


I guess it depends on where you live. Here, in the Lake District where
the rainfall is quite high even during the summer, it's not such a
problem. In drier areas you might have to water regularly anyway even
when the plant is established.

Plant it well & add a pipe going down to the roots (fill it with stones)
so you can pour water straight down to where it's needed.

Some varieties will tolerate drier conditions than others too. And non
of them like being waterlogged during the winter. As has been
mentioned, container grown plants (not just clematis) can be planted at
any time of the year provided the ground isn't frozen. In my
experience, early autumn or spring - but when the ground has started to
warm up is best.
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Old 12-03-2003, 02:48 AM
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Plant it well & add a pipe going down to the roots (fill it with
stones) so you can pour water straight down to where it's needed.


No doubt para 4 in the Planting directions help Barkers sell more
clematis plants :-)

Unless you plant with a little of the brown section at the bottom of the
stem above ground, you can get disease or rot. Also cut the bottom out
of a 3" or 4" pot and place upside down to keep the sun away from the
roots.

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Old 12-03-2003, 10:08 AM
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In message , Rachel Sullivan
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Plant it well & add a pipe going down to the roots (fill it with
stones) so you can pour water straight down to where it's needed.


No doubt para 4 in the Planting directions help Barkers sell more
clematis plants :-)

Unless you plant with a little of the brown section at the bottom of the
stem above ground, you can get disease or rot. Also cut the bottom out
of a 3" or 4" pot and place upside down to keep the sun away from the
roots.



Why are you challenging what has long been "best advice" for planting
clematis?

Clearly you do not bury all the mature stem but the site advice:

Plant deeper than the original container - not necessarily 2 or 3 inches

deeper, but as much as it takes to get at least one other set of leaf nodes
below the ground. We have done this since the plant was a cutting, and it
has been potted on at least three times since then. Do it once more!

is sound. The purpose is to ensure that there are growth buds below ground
level, hence if the plant above ground dies off from clematis wilt there are
buds available to regrow.

pk

(btw I've bought from Rachel's firm - and have another order in at the
moment - plant quality, packing and delivery were all top notch!




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Old 12-03-2003, 08:48 PM
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In article , Paul Kelly
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"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message , Rachel Sullivan
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Plant it well & add a pipe going down to the roots (fill it with
stones) so you can pour water straight down to where it's needed.


No doubt para 4 in the Planting directions help Barkers sell more
clematis plants :-)


G. I had to look it up - even though I wrote it! Did you mean the
bit about not expecting too much in the first year, or even its second?
Of course the idea is to sell plants, but it's even more important to
give good advice. Clematis are not plants for instant gardeners -
unless you buy enormous plants to start with. We do those too.

Unless you plant with a little of the brown section at the bottom of the
stem above ground, you can get disease or rot.


I think planting deep is one of the important things about clematis and
but is most especially relevant to the large flowered hybrids. It's
certainly not as crucial for the species varieties, but even things like
the atragenes can benefit from a little depth. Horrid mouses have had a
wonderful time this winter gnawing through the stems - right at the
base, of course! But they are coming up again from below the ground.

I'm not sure what you mean about 'the brown section'. Some varieties do
have this when young but generally speaking, young plants are green and
don't develop a woody stem until much older. There are, of course,
exceptions to this - atragenes/montanas for instance.

I met a gardener here years ago who told me he plants his clematis *at
least* 12 inches deep and has never had a loss. OK if you have nice
depth of soil I suppose.

Also cut the bottom out
of a 3" or 4" pot and place upside down to keep the sun away from the
roots.


They don't care about the sun on their roots. They care about having
plenty to drink. Planting a small herbaceous plant, or even a small
shrub would give them the shade they like which helps to retain
moisture. Upside down plant pots don't look aesthetically pleasing &
the plant will still need watering as it gets established or during dry
spells.

Why are you challenging what has long been "best advice" for planting
clematis?

Clearly you do not bury all the mature stem but the site advice:

Plant deeper than the original container - not necessarily 2 or 3 inches

deeper, but as much as it takes to get at least one other set of leaf nodes
below the ground. We have done this since the plant was a cutting, and it
has been potted on at least three times since then. Do it once more!

is sound. The purpose is to ensure that there are growth buds below ground
level, hence if the plant above ground dies off from clematis wilt there are
buds available to regrow.


Not just wilt either. See mouses above. Also careless gardeners with
strimmers, kids with footballs etc. Slender stems are easily damaged.

(btw I've bought from Rachel's firm - and have another order in at the
moment - plant quality, packing and delivery were all top notch!


This is the scary thing about posting to newsgroups. You never know who
you'll run across. Glad you were pleased - but we do try to put
things right when things go wrong (as they invariably can).

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In message , Rachel Sullivan
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Plant it well & add a pipe going down to the roots (fill it with
stones) so you can pour water straight down to where it's needed.


No doubt para 4 in the Planting directions help Barkers sell more
clematis plants :-)

Unless you plant with a little of the brown section at the bottom of the
stem above ground, you can get disease or rot. Also cut the bottom out
of a 3" or 4" pot and place upside down to keep the sun away from the
roots.



Why are you challenging what has long been "best advice" for planting
clematis?

Clearly you do not bury all the mature stem but the site advice:

Plant deeper than the original container - not necessarily 2 or 3 inches

deeper, but as much as it takes to get at least one other set of leaf nodes
below the ground. We have done this since the plant was a cutting, and it
has been potted on at least three times since then. Do it once more!

is sound.


Then I'm afraid we must agree to disagree.

I've been growing clematis for 47 years, I can assure you that if you
plant a set of leaf nodes below the surface and you have a wet spell
within a week or so, then you can expect to get rot and lose the plant -
not necessarily but there's a good possibly..

The purpose is to ensure that there are growth buds below ground
level, hence if the plant above ground dies off from clematis wilt there are
buds available to regrow.

pk

(btw I've bought from Rachel's firm - and have another order in at the
moment - plant quality, packing and delivery were all top notch!

Completely irrelevant. However, the thought does occur to me that the
reason you're having to order more clematis is perhaps because you have
lost previous plantings.
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Completely irrelevant. However, the thought does occur to me that the
reason you're having to order more clematis is perhaps because you have
lost previous plantings.



Actually I am buying and planting on behalf of clients - I'm happy to stake
my reputation on Rachel's plants and advice.


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Old 12-03-2003, 11:35 PM
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"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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Completely irrelevant. However, the thought does occur to me that the
reason you're having to order more clematis is perhaps because you have
lost previous plantings.



Actually I am buying and planting on behalf of clients - I'm happy to stake
my reputation on Rachel's plants and advice.

Fine. Just make sure you don't plant just before a wet spell :-)

Relying on others for your own reputation can be, IMHO, a recipe of
disaster in business.
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In message , Paul Kelly
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"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message , Paul Kelly
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Completely irrelevant. However, the thought does occur to me that the
reason you're having to order more clematis is perhaps because you have
lost previous plantings.



Actually I am buying and planting on behalf of clients - I'm happy to stake
my reputation on Rachel's plants and advice.

Fine. Just make sure you don't plant just before a wet spell :-)

Relying on others for your own reputation can be, IMHO, a recipe of
disaster in business.


As can be insisting on manufacturing all your supplies yourself as
opposed to obtaining them from good specialist suppliers.

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