On 11/06/2014 4:54 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:31:32 AM UTC-7, Fran Farmer wrote:
On 10/06/2014 1:12 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:



It is simply impossible to get enough calories without grains, tubers

and bananas, all high carb foods. Despite all its drawbacks we simply

cannot give up farming and become hunter-gatherers,



Hunter-gatherers would have gorged on any form of food that was abundant

if they could get their hands on it regardless of whether it was a carb

or a protein so I find it odd that anyone would try to turn back the

food clock.



we cannot turn the

clock back 10,000 years and specifically we cannot give up farming

grain. How do you think the green revolution saved hundreds of millions

from starvation?



Please don't rabbit on about T2 diabetes, a disease of the people of

rich countries who over eat and under excercise, focus on this one

question.



How do you feed the world for the next 50 years without heavy reliance

on farming and consuming high carb crops?



In case you missed it I repeat: please don't rabbit on about T2

diabetes, a disease of the people of rich countries who over eat and

under excercise, focus on this one question.



Yes. I find it amazing how little exercise seems to be done these days

in comparison to how much intake of chow there is in our modern

societies. The paleo walking regime would be a good thing to resurrect.

Or even a Victorian walking regime.



There is an innitiative of the Qld health dept that has gone round the

country as a Healthy Heart program. It's called something like

"10,000steps" and the goal is to walk 10,000 steps each day. I put on a

pedometer and did over 10,000 steps on a normal day of doing housework,

gardening and animal care. I did 2 lots of baking in addition to the

meals, did a bit of gardening, did 2 loads of washing and hung them out

on the line and then brought the clothes in when they were dry and put

them away. I did a bit of vacuuming and visited the chooks twice to let

them out, feed and water them, collect the eggs and then lock them up

for the night. Just an average day for me but I wonder what a lazy

sloth step count would be.

We have that 10,000 steps thingie up here too.

I found that interesting that it was also in the US so did a google -
apparently the 10kstep thing started in Japan in the 60s. It's got
around since them :-))

I put in the same or more as you in house, garden, shoppin, etc. but it never occurred to me that these steps would count toward the 10K. I thought it had to be stride ahead..

No, apparently the reason why it was started was because the average
person only did between 3 and 5k per day and that's not enough. The
recommendation is for 30 minutes continuous a day where you can still
talk whilst walking plus try to get some vigorous (can't talk) each week.

Agree 1000% on need to walk more.

It IS true that the greater LA area IS dreadfully spread out, such that it would take a good part of the day to take bus(es) to distant part of county. With better public transport, the suffering could have been mitigated decades ago. But the government is owned by the oil & gas & automobile barons who have spent gazillions over time at the est Little Whorehouse in Washington (AKA U.S. Congress) to make sure their products continue to be consumed, faut de mieux.

Now the traffic is so bad -- supposed to be worst in country ??? that people just give up driving during rush hour which used to begin about 4:30-5:00. Then 3:30-4:00 - then ... so now it is perpetual rush hour. I've read that people spent a WEEK of their lives stuck in traffic!!!

Personally, as a card-carrying science freak, I used to enjoy events at JPL and Caltech. Not any more..check out the 405 Freeway at rush hour! Apocalyptic.

Back to walking: So, it's a great concept, but realistically...

I have no trouble fitting in walking. I lve on a farm but I also live
near a small village and have joined a wlakign gorup there. But another
example is that yesterday I had a Specialist Doctor's appointment in the
Moderate Smoke. I parked in a multi storey car park at least 15 minutes
walk away from the Doctor's rooms and them walked vigorously to the
appointment. I was still at least 15 minutes early. I do the same thing
when I shop. Put the car in the far distant corner of the supermarket
and then wheel my trolley back there and if I need to go to anonther
shop I'll walk there from that car park and then walk back with my
goodies in a carry back I always carry with me (assuming of course that
it's only a few items and not something that I'd need a team of Sherpas
to carry back).

At least we have a lovely promenade overlooking the Pacific -- well used by people and dogs (on leash).


Don't you have any sidewalks in your suburb?